Dear Bruce From AdultB2B - Paysite & Affiliate Marketing Questions.

[Greenguy]

I was hoping to get some advice from the marketing genius that is Bruce Friedman from AdultB2B.biz

Do you truly recommend giving webmasters less that 24 hours to remove all their links to a failed affiliate program and it's failed paysites, especially during a holiday weekend?

from Bruce Friedman <b@hothardcash.com>
reply-to b@hothardcash.com
to blamo@concentric.net
date Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:16 AM
subject Discontinuation of Hot Hard Cash

Hot Hard Cash Discontinuation Notice

Dear affiliates,

I regret to inform you that we are discontinuing our program as of midnight November 29th. Please remove all galleries and links, after this time they will no longer work.

I'd like to thank all of your for your loyal help in trying to make this program work. I wish you nothing but the best in all of your future endeavors.

Sincerely,

Bruce Friedman
CEO
Hot Hard Cash

Adult B2B Marketing • 1852 Barossa Drive • San Ramon • CA • 94582

It seems to me that a man with your marketing skills would have been able to sell ketchup popsicles to a man wearing fancy white gloves at Noon in Phoenix!

What method from the $40,000 marketing license that you purchased failed? Can you expose the company the ripped you off so that others will not fall prey to them?

7 days ago, you stated:
...I have been fully trained on how to carry out the marketing system and it's strategies...
Did you miss a day of training? Would you still recommend this company to people that you wish to see fail?

***

After some extra research, I noticed that you were trying to sell the program back in September (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=48814).

2 months later, on Nov 4th, you announced that the program (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=49885) was being relaunched with "...80 percent recurring on the life of the sale on all new sales now through December 4th." Do you also recommend closing a program with a week left in a promotion?

Is 80% of nothing still nothing?

I need answers! Help me out here Bruce! I'm asking because I know that I personally get angry when I read that a program I am promoting is closing in the near future.

Less than 24 hours notice on a holiday weekend during a published contest/promotion is just plain unscrupulous.

[Cleo]

OMG, if it wasn't that this is so tragic it would be about the funniest thing that that I've read in a very long time.
|lol|

[Ramster]

I can understand closing a program if it is not making much money. But when paying out revshare they could surely leave it open for a few weeks to give affiliates time to remove links. Thankfully they only have 2 paysites.

ANd see the signup page is still open :(
http://hothardcash.com/adult_affiliate_program/signup.php

[docholly]

even if it is tragic, Cleo..it's ironically funny.. (is ironically used correctly?? I know UW will tell me)

[Useless]

even if it is tragic, Cleo..it's ironically funny.. (is ironically used correctly?? I know UW will tell me)If you read any of AdultB2B's reactions to other people's posts in his threads, you wouldn't find it nearly as ironic that this particular marketing guru would sink his own program. Otherwise, yes, that would have been ironic. :)

[Simon]

Maybe MML can invite him on OTB... inquiring minds want answers.

:D

[MrMaryLou]

I so can't wait for the next "Marketing Tip of the Day" |lol|

[LeRoy]

Wow. I love this thread. Now I don't feel so bad about some of my projects.

[NY Jester]

Back to the ole B2B drawing board for Bruce Almighty.

[nekrom]

This thread delivers, on so many different levels. :)

-N

[GonZo]

Giiving thanks for green guy on a holiday weekend.

Maybe somen explained to him the legalities of porn and Thailand.

[Greenguy]

Message left at 2:59 AM EST Sunday Nov 30 2008 (http://www.greenguysboard.com/adultb2b.mp3)

At 1st I thought he might have been contacting all of his affiliates on an individual basis.....

[Greenguy]

Oops! I neglected to check my PM's before I posted about my voicemail |lol|

Today, 02:52 AM

Dude

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Green Guy,

What did I ever do to you to get you to make a post like this? I've got to tell you that I'm truly shocked and appalled!

Some people in this business are really good at piling on when someone is taking some flack. I guess I'll just add you to that list.

Bruce

Is that the list that I asked you to add us to (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=50214) last week?

Had you at least acknowledged any of the replies in that thread, I might not have made this post. But you ignored them & just kept spamming away with your copy & paste marketing "tips".

Everyone knows that there's a certain amount of bullshit in marketing, but when you're trying to market to other marketing people, you come off like a complete moron when you bullshit your way thru your posts. Think about it: this is the 3rd legit webmaster community (that I know of) that has laughed you off the board. There might be a trend there.

Don't PM me, don't call me. Post if you want, otherwise have a nice life |waves|

[Cleo]

Message left at 2:59 AM EST Sunday Nov 30 2008 (http://www.greenguysboard.com/adultb2b.mp3)
You would think that a marketing genius like himself would have no problem understanding the motivation of posting this thread.

[docholly]

If you read any of AdultB2B's reactions to other people's posts in his threads, you wouldn't find it nearly as ironic that this particular marketing guru would sink his own program. Otherwise, yes, that would have been ironic. :)

thankfully I've spared myself from the marketing guru after his 1st tip post. ..and the only reason I even clicked on this one was that GG started it with the "Dear Bruce" .. always an interest Peaker... or in my case peeker.

[Toby]

...always an interest Peaker... or in my case peeker.
and perhaps pique-er too ;)

[bluemoney]

Dude must be a Masochist

[Toby]

Dude must be a Masochist
Then he should have braved the Black Friday crowds to get out and buy a clue.
I hear Wal*Mart had them on their early bird special. |lol|

[NY Jester]

I just dont understand how one can be a self proclaimed marketing guru and then dump a program let alone before the promo date is completed. What # rule is that....

[Jeremy]

even if it is tragic, Cleo..it's ironically funny.. (is ironically used correctly?? I know UW will tell me)

I'll see your irony and raise you a fair smattering of schadenfreude as well.

I wonder if the $40k marketing "system" came with a big, red self-destruct button?

[GonZo]

I just dont understand how one can be a self proclaimed marketing guru and then dump a program let alone before the promo date is completed. What # rule is that....

I guess thats what happens when you have a twink trying to build a straight program....

[bluemoney]

I guess thats what happens when you have a twink trying to build a straight program....
Oh Snap! |lol|

[Kisa]

Guys like Bruce are the exact reason I've taken refuge in the Sierras for the past two months and am seriously considering the complete abandonment of the Bay Area.... I'm trying very hard to not be the most bitter and jaded person on the planet but..... |cat

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've taken a guitar lesson from a Bruce Friedman in Walnut Creek....

[GonZo]

Guys like Bruce are the exact reason I've taken refuge in the Sierras for the past two months and am seriously considering the complete abandonment of the Bay Area.... I'm trying very hard to not be the most bitter and jaded person on the planet but..... |cat

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've taken a guitar lesson from a Bruce Friedman in Walnut Creek....

Good to see he has something to fall back on besides websites and online marketing.|headbang|

[Toby]

Good to see he has something to fall back on besides websites and online marketing.

yawantfrieswiththat? |waves|

[Greenguy]

I guess thats what happens when you have a twink trying to build a straight program....I only know of 2 reasons to go to Thailand & since no one really bothers you if you're doing heroin in the states......

[GonZo]

I only know of 2 reasons to go to Thailand & since no one really bothers you if you're doing heroin in the states......

Why would a twink try to create and promote a straight site?

But then again... why would one think buying an ebook makes them a marketing genius?

[LeRoy]

By the sound of his voice on the recorder. He's one scary twink ;)

[GonZo]

By the sound of his voice on the recorder. He's one scary twink ;)

Dont make me crawl thru Fubar so you can decide for yourself...

[Preacher]

Dont make me crawl thru Fubar so you can decide for yourself...

No need. Very Scary Indeed (http://www.adultwhoswho.com/gallery/view_image.html?folder_id=00131&subfolder_id=00236&id=23171)
(picture saved in case it gets pulled)

Here's his Profile Page (http://www.adultwhoswho.com/person/person.html?id=00723).

He's got way more friends than I do. |cry|

[docholly]

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've taken a guitar lesson from a Bruce Friedman in Walnut Creek.... Are you sure that wasn't Kinky Friedman??? |lol| *i really crack myself up*

[GonZo]

No need. Very Scary Indeed (http://www.adultwhoswho.com/gallery/view_image.html?folder_id=00131&subfolder_id=00236&id=23171)
(picture saved in case it gets pulled)

Here's his Profile Page (http://www.adultwhoswho.com/person/person.html?id=00723).

He's got way more friends than I do. |cry|


I rest my case...

[Greenguy]

...He's got way more friends than I do. |cry|
He's got one less now :)

[NY Jester]

I guess thats what happens when you have a twink trying to build a straight program....

That'd do it |thumb |pokefun|marketing guru

[paulmarkham3]

You would think someone with Bruce's marketing knowledge and skills would have a clue and know the damage his actions would do. The only thing his affiliates can do is take down all the links to his sites.

Then move on because he will not be around for long. Yes it's tough but these days are very hard and those who can't afford to keep a program open, running and paying are not going to survive.

Have not posted here for years and won't be doing a lot of posting in the future. I only posted here because after reading his article on ZNOT I posted that marketing is not what he believes it is. And he would tell me it was everything. Seems he got it wrong.

[Greenguy]

Gee Paul, thanks for stopping by & gracing us with your presence. Feel free to stop back again next year & take our side on another pissing contest, even though you hate us.

[teenrave]

He is still posting his Copy and Paste Marketing Tips in other forums

[Greenguy]

Feel free to copy & paste this thread or it's contents into his threads :D

[GonZo]

Feel free to copy & paste this thread or it's contents into his threads :D

Careful... the little twink will threaten to report you to someone for spamming.

[GonZo]

http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/galleries/pf09/1084/z05624.jpg

[Greenguy]

Herpes?