Dave, you know, one thing I had failed to mention is that I had helped this webmaster out on ICQ and Email BEFORE the thread was posted. He followed my advice and now I see sales popping in his account. My only point was - if I've already bent over backwards to help on ICQ and email, why post on the boards so other webmasters will start to get a bad impression of OCCash?

Fact is, I don't know of of one other program that would take time to assist individual webmasters like we do.

Since we are talking about bad numbers and it's obvious that you have some kind of problem with me...I think I might have gotten to the bottom of it...yes, envy is a bitch.

Now I know why you are so pissed:
http://www.4freepornmovies.com/3.jpg

Damn, and you've been running that site since 1996? Sucks for you.

I guess I'm not the only one on DD's shitlist.

Jay is one hell of a guy. Always helpful, even to a minor league player like me |thumb

Jay
If nothing else, this post was just petty. Any program worth it's salt offers one on one webmaster support. You are doing nothing special. And if there is a webmaster that posts about having a problem, a decent program takes it with grace and dignity. You remind me of someone else that claims people are just jealous of them when they are criticized.

DangerDave accurately pointed out that you claimed numbers like 1 in 196 were not uncommon. When he did, you started to attack him personally. You know as well as I do, that was unprofessional. After that, you could have taken the high road and apologized. But, you decided to claim that Dave was only criticizing your program because he is jealous. I have really never seen Dave jealous of anyone.

I spoke to Greenie and he thought this was resolved.

We have decided to move these threads to the proper forum.

XXXJay...

I wouldn't worry about guys like DD or JK...they have not listed any of my sites and even went so far as to say that they would NEVER list any of my sites - because I supposedly game them attitude - and you know what? I never even knew that I gave either of them attitude in the first place!!

Jay...keep up the good work. And yes, you have taken the time to teach us little minnows how to get better.

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I don't see why everyone has to kiss Danger Dave's ass. I know you guys do, but I don't feel like I have to to? If anything Dave's post was petty.

Way to treat potential advertisers, Jim.

I'll take our money over to GFY.

I quit GG and Jim
 

I’m tried of getting shit on by the moderators and the owners of this board, especially when I was getting ready to become a steady advertiser. I will take my business elsewhere.

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=12230
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=11919

Thanks Jim, Surfn, and DDave for all your hospitality.

Later.

Jay...

Don't go man...you are just one a few webmasters that offers to help us little guys like me, at all!! Don't let other spoil sports ruin this for all of us.

Pornrex

Sorry things didn't work out Jay - like I said yesterday on ICQ (when I thought this issue was resolved) I could see both sides of things.

Something did just pop into my head - if you had resolved the bad ratios with this webmaster before they posted, your anger should really be at them for posting after the fact & not at anyone else.

Again, sorry things didn't work out :(

GG - why can't I leave this post up about me quitting this board for the numerous webmasters I have reffered to you board in EVERY ongoing email sent in for a submission, every success page after a submission, every resource link I've given to support this board, and everytime someone would have a question about why their site wasn't listed I would have them get an account at GGandJim because I honestly thought it was the best board out there. I wanted this to be a good place to do business.

Bottom line is I've reffered more new users to GGandJim than 90% of the people on here.

I've been one of your biggest supporters since day one, plus I wanted to start buying ads in just a few days and you guys do me like this because I give someone like DD a taste of his own medicine?

Way to go.

Jay
We bent over backward for you and you know how we did. Out of respect for all parties involved, I don't want the details brought up. With pressure from all sides including sponsors, we allowed you to post about your program on the main forum. And that was way before you asked about advertising. But, you just can't belittle our moderators personally. Dave has very strong beliefs and I respect him for that.

Truthfully, I wish you would stay and contribute the way you did before the program. You were a true asset to GreenguyandJim.

You know Greenie and I love you Jay. But at sometime, I have to draw the line.

I have nothing against you and I wish you all the best.

If at anytime you want to start over, you are welcome to.

I just spoke to Jay on the phone & let's just say things are all better now :)

Good to hear. I would be sad to see a good guy like Jay leave :)

Hey Greenie - now that everything is smoothed over -- do you think you can spin doctor this thread and move it out of the spam.

There was supposed to be a "?" mark after "spam"?

And Jim - thanks for your reply. :) It's just a suggestion, but maybe it would be a good idea if people like DD who are so closley associated with the board not belittle the posters. That's what I always liked about GGandJim - it was the least hostile board. :)

After all, respect is a two way street. Right?

In the spirit of starting over Jay, I will move this thread back.

That's cool. I was sorta bummed when I read Jay's post before it was deleted. :(

If everyone was in a room or on a phone call it probably would never have gotten to that level.

It's always hard to tell with stuff like this how much backstory there is and whether people contacted each other in private to work things out.

Nice to see Jay back.

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"Something did just pop into my head - if you had resolved the bad ratios with this webmaster before they posted, your anger should really be at them for posting after the fact & not at anyone else."
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Why should anger be directed towards me in the first place? I just asked Jay a simple question. He offered to help me - which I appreciated, believe you me. I don't think re-directing DD's comments towards me like that are fair at all. Why would you say that GG? That is SO unfair.

Jay was awesome in the insight he provided to me. As a matter of fact, I DID email him first, he asked me in his response to check this board! Why did he do that? I'll tell you. To EDUCATE all of us newbie's that are struggling to learn this business and how to IMPROVE our bottome lines. Sort kill several birds with one massive stone.

Misguiding anger is a terrible thing. Redirecting it towards an innocent person is even worse. Crucifying a newbie for it, is just plain wrong.

Pornrex
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pornrex - Jay told me he didn't know whay you posted the nubmer anyway, since he had already worked things out with you on ICQ.

So, if things were already worked out, why post after the fact - that's all.

Glad to see you guys straightend things out. Jay, you are too close to getting your Buddy Christ to drop out now :D
I'm thinking of giving occash a try btw :)

I'll tell you folks the same thing I tell my wife when she asks why I won't cuddle with her after a round of 'hide the pony' - I say, "babe, I don't want to make this personal. We did what we had to do. Now lets sleep on it."

The biggest and most honest webmasters I know are on this board. You are going to have to try a lot harder than that little squabble to get me to lose respect for any of you.

You're a pisser. You need your own blog and milk it good.

Hey Rex - well the good thing about this board is disagreements happen but they get straightened out. Nobody is "crucifying" you bro.

On a better subject, I looked up you account today and saw that you had started making some sales. Congrats! :)

Thanks Jay!

GG had explained his logic a bit better to me so things are cool again.

I will continue to work hard and rely on excellent advice from guys like the both of you.

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One of my favorites...no real 'crappy filler' sites..all stuff I can really try and sell.

We've got a killer teen site our others that will drop next week - just as soon as Visa approves it.