Edwin, to get your sites listed widely you need to have the same look or 'flow' throughout the site. Your gallery pages don't look anything like the index or main pages. I'd be shocked if they aren't really just FHGs that have been uploaded to your server.

You cant use the word 'next' on a link that exits the site. That's a horribly blind link. Link lists don't allow that type of deception anymore than TGPs do. In fact, don't use 'next' at all. Same goes for the word enter. Only use Enter if it's the enter link for the free site. As long as all link text clearly indicates the surfer's destination, you'll be fine.

I typically check whois as soon as a site's index loads. You really need to unprotect your whois. It's a small sign of honesty. I don't know what sites you have or what would motivate someone to put their cock down and call you, but that's the first time I have ever heard anyone getting prank calls due to open whois. I've had calls from SEOs and hosts, but never anything negative.

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Cheers man I needed that I seem to have been taken the wrong way and I apologise to all for that ...
The story is that my wife and a girlfriend had a website togther it wasnt a .com or .net but our countries own and in the whois was our telephone number which more than one person thought it funny to give us a ring, we even had one person come to the door, so since then we have kept it pretty close to not showing more than having to, but I understand what you mean and a real thanks for your posting .

I didn't come to make enemies the total opposite actually I was hoping to get some help from what I have heard some really good people, I apologise GG it wasn't meant like that, man I hate that stuff as well as the next person, I will certainly never promote them again as you seem to think they have CP on their site. I trust your call.

Here we go again.....


************* is 100% legal, all the models on the page are at least 18 years old.

The site has been around since 1996 do you seriously think that if there was childshit on it that it wouldn't be shutdown? Just to let you know, ************* is a Dutch/German brand, it has been around since 1976.

So saying that it's childporn is a bit harsh GG

So you think it's ok to promote a site that's caled ClubSixteen?

How about ClubFourteen?

Hell, what about ClubTwelve?

18 is the legal age & I want nothing to do with sites titled in this way.

It just seems to me you would do far better just building sites using the rules of the LL's you want to submit too. If this is too harsh than don't submit to them. I get listed most everytime I submit. and I don't have super graphic skills and such. I just try to follow the rules and try to make fairly attractive sites. Seems to work as I do not have to spend a lot of time asking "why didn't I get listed"


and about the *************. yes it may be "legal" but why would a US webmaster want to draw attention to his/her self in these days of george orwell's 1984 atmosphere about porn.


just my opinion...
|peace|

I have apologised to GG as I had no intention of making bad feeling at all, I have today submitted my site to 16 LL's and already the first ones are coming back that I am listed, I have taken word for word links of GG teen listings so that I am 100% certain they are not implying anything thats wrong. I have never thought about the name Club Seventeen as meaning underaged teens as it could of mean't many things like the number of their office building or whatever else, as long as they are within the law then I think its down right dirty GG stating they are pushing CP, he offers no proof so why should I believe anything he says. I have contacted their rep and he gurantees me 100% that they are within the law. Soemthing that did make me smile is the fact that Link-O-Rama is trading hard links with Teeniesxxx which to me is insinuating under age teens, but anyway enough said. I would rather get on with my work than post so good day to ya all and peace to all :)

When will GG&J get a hole digger smiley?

A foot in mouth smiley would also be a handy one to have. |cool|

so how about youngporn etc? does that sound right to you as well?

oh btw if you look at our site you won't see any content that looks "to young" like most other teen sites out there do, we're 100% safe and can show all the docs of all our models, we have all the info, unlike tons of other sponsors out there that just have to shut down sites because of the 2257 thing.....

Is flying the Canadian fly changing the attitude of the most angry man on the board. He rode into this thread on a white horse to rescue a newbie with useful information. Now, I know the sky is falling in my world.

"young" is one of those words that depends on what it's describing.

18 is the legal age here in the States, so even implying that they are 17 with all the disclaimers in the world is not gonna cut it in my book.

Based on your theory, it's ok to promote a site called "Sex With 14 Year Olds" as long as there's a disclaimer stating that they are over 18?

And let me make one thing perfectly clear - I don't give a fuck who promotes what - I only care about what I link to & it's my site, so I make the rules - don't like the rules? Don't submit. It's really very simple.

please quote me where I said that "sex with 14 year olds" as a title is ok? As far as I know I didn't post that....

Offcours that's wrong but club17 could also be a site that contains 17 grannies doing a gangbang |dizzy|

anyway, I'm not saying what you should or should not list on your site, it's your site :) but you said club17 is cp which it's not, so I'm defending that.

You all can promote anything you like but I'm not listing anything that in anyway implies anything that has under 18 in its name.

Club17 is banned at my LL as well.

Sky isn't falling Chop, my man. I was just hoping that this thread was taking a bad turn due to the language barrier/cultural perceptions and thought that perhaps a calming post would reel it all in. This is one of those subjects that Europeans and Americans just don't agree on. Europeans, as with much of the free world, have much more liberal feelings about this topic than we Americans. Who's right, who's wrong? Doesn't matter. I sure we can all come to a concrete agreement on this as soon as the goverment gives a clear and well written defintion of obscenity.

UW thats exactly what I mean, many things is the way you interpret it, club seventeen is just one of them, I have promoted another sites called schoolgirls first time, which you can interpret that the wrong way as well, its like I said about teeniesex, its the same thing. I didn't say that GG was looking at CP because it stated that all models was 18+ so honestly I didn't think thats what I was doing, like I said I have apologised and sincerely hope he will accept my apology. I have no enemies and didn't want to make any here. GG I agree its your site and you say what gets listed, it shouldn't be any other way, I think I was gobsmacked that I came here for some assistance and got told that the site I was promoting was CP wouldn't you put a ? to that, I don't want to have anything to do with CP either, I am a family man with children, I two hate it.

Personally I think that although these sites that go by names of schoolgirls and ************* although have models over the age of 18 definately attract the wrong crowd.

As long as the models are treated well and are happy its not too much of a problem - but think about who you are marketing it too with a title like club17 - guys who want girls below the consenting age. If thats what you want to promote then thats your choice but dont expect everyone to like it.

These sort of sites could definatly be seen in a negative light by many people (such as GG) and so having links to or listing content of this nature on your site reflects the sites personal morals and what type of surfers they are targeting.

I personally would not list them (if i had a LL) because it definately sends out the wrong image and I dont agree with it. I would probably Blacklist the person from submitting again.

I certainly agree neveremail, if I was GG and had his point of view then I would blacklist people, only thing is don't you think it would be right to put it on his submission page ?

Rule number 26. - If we plain dont like the site it wont get listed.

The rule list is long enough for ppl to read it doesn't need to cover abosultely every little detail otherwise no-one would read it.

If you want to promote those sorts of sites and GG doesn't live with it and find some LLs that will list it.

Or promote sponsers with a better name.

*LOL* I am living with it don't worry Link-O-Rama is just one of many link lists and the others seem to be ok with it ...

Never known Greenguy to base his operations on what others do