Certain counties will have a much lower percentage of hard drive and this is one of them. In the process of selecting the jury I'm sure one side will be working to fine 12 people that don't have any and the other will do the opposite. I think the one searching for 12 that don't will have an advantage in this county.

That may concern some media execs but I think we know they're afraid of something a little more dangerous then just public opinion.

I've never had much faith in the American legal system, not since these trials. :(

Did you lose some family members?

:D that was my first laugh of the day,
and The only link I looked at was Urbs, I have no desire to see dead people

I still remember loads of scenes from Vietnam - I think the one that stands out in my mind was the viet-cong boy officer in the street with a gun to his head as the bullet went through - it was in every newspaper back then and was just a little taste of what was really happening.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/co..._COLLECTI.html
It amazes me that there are so many Americans that just want to turn away from this thinking that if they dont see the real news they dont have to deal with it personally - well - having been there and done that to coin a phrase - its about time the US people got a taste of what really happens in war and maybe they would get off their apathetic asses and do something about it - just like all the vets and students did something about it in the late 60s. Its a shame watching all these sheep that call themselves reporters glossing over the facts with their little sound bytes - we lost "insert number of US soldiers blown into pieces today" but in local news there is still some college student missing in Aruba and we have 24 hour coverage on the ground there to make sure we have up to the minute coverage of the "alleged wrongdoers" being released from their jail in Aruba again"
Give me a fucking break

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

I think that pretty much sums it up. People don't want to accept what war is. It's about killing other people... plain and simple. People can candy coat it all they want, but those photos and videos are exactly what happens! We all talked about the mis"Information Minister" in Iraq who denied the fact that Iraq was being invaded, even as you could see coalition forces marching in the background. Do we really want to be like that? Just deny the truth is out there! There are soldier and civilians who give their lives every day because of a bunch of morons! |angry|

Can't say shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits on radio or TV. Ain't that some fucking shit.

The worst part of this is that with events occuring that were way worse that My Lai (just my opinion that this was where the population of the US finally had had enough - and a few soldiers got dinged for doing exactly what the administration and the generals told them to do) the American people still have the audacity to drive around in their SUVs with little ribbon magnets saying support the war ( and confusing the hell out of supporting the troops with the war itself) when they have no idea what is really going on. As far as Im concerned every little one of them needs to be shown every video and pic out there of what happens in a real war - till they puke their guts out - or start crying like half the soldiers I knew when they just couldnt handle it anymore.

Right on Linkster!! I forgot about that picture too.. but really we were treated nightly to kind grandfatherly Walter Cronkite telling us.. 237 casualities today and 572 wounded in action.

I heard the other day Senator McCain saying that the news shouldn't give the number of people who died or what action was taken in Iraq because we the public doesn't need to see it.

you'd think McCain of all people would want the TRUTH known.

Not much has changed in the legal system has it. Condem the people you don't like, don't understand or share the same standards as you. |angry|

If don't ask don't tell works for gay's in the military what is wrong with don't look don't see with the adult industry?

Apparently even those numbers are fudged. Seems that they rush the badly wounded soldiers out of country to hospitals in Germany or wherever, and those deaths aren't included as casulties in Iraq.
Also heard on one of the news shows that reporters aren't allowed to check on returning casulties.

Some of sponsorchat's members seem to hang out there.

"Registered Users: 11444, 18890704, 657GVR4"

Serious now, that's one fucked up board...

You have a link? That is one of the scariest statements I've herad in weeks from our politicians and possible 2008 Presidential candidate.

I think we NEED to know how many people died both American and Iraq, how many people have been injured and how many homes have been destroyed.

The country is pulling together to help Katrnia victims that have lost thier homes but does any here care about the Iraqi's that have lost everything becasue of this war? Do Americans even know?

I would say that a statement like that from McCain would be very uncharateristic - he is outspoken when it comes to showing the dead soldiers - he was the one that wrote to Sinclair group during the presidential elections to lambast them for not airing "Fallen" on some of their affiliates where Niteline was showing pictures of dead soldiers and reading their names. McCain also supported showing the caskets in Dover back in 2004 when it was voted on in congress http://www.camerairaq.com/2004/05/caskets_photogr.html is the only link I could find where he actually spoke about it during the congressional debate. Of course his republican congress passed the bill making it law not to show the caskets in support of the prez.

He is one of the only republicans I respect as he has always supported the soldiers and keeps challenging the way we are reporting the war dead and injured (which btw is way under-reported based on the number of purple hearts given out for non-combat injuries - tens of thousands of soldiers are sitting in Vet hospitals back here in the US and their story isnt being told)

i'm pretty sure it was on Fox as i think i was having dinner at the table thursday and One of the people in our co-housing thinks that pearls of wisdom drip from O'Reilly's mouth..

I know it was in a segment where he was commenting on the release of the photos from the Abu Ghraib debacle.

Exactly.. which is why it stuck with me .. because HE of all people should know the value of getting the truth out ..


edit: Maybe i was smoking and not sharing cuz i did search the archives for it.. my only other show i watched out there was Bill Maher and I don't think he was on it.. but Anne Coulter was and boy what a 180 she did on her boy bush.. lmao..

So Senator McCain if you are reading this.. sorry if i confused you BUT i don't think i did.. |pimpin

He wasn't on Bill Maher and yes, Anne Coulter and a lot of supporters are turning away from Dubya right now. Not even raising terror alerts can get his supporters back.

Dead Soldiers Come Home
 

Very early on in one of our present wars (there's so many) the Pentagon issued an order which prohibited news organizations from showing the flag draped caskets of dead soldiers coming back to this country and being taken off airplanes in ceremony. These visuals apparently had a huge impact during Viet Nam.

I've never figured out if the Pentagon's order has the force of law or what or how they're able to enforce it. Never the less you've never seen a single picture like this on the evening news. All the news operations completely have caved to this and I always thought it was pretty outrageous. If any of them had a nickel's worth of spine I've thought they should have protested this by simply showing stock footage from Viet Nam to represent every dead soldier coming back to our shores. IMHO :(

DJilla - the reason this ban has the force it does is that it is on a military base - and they can prohibit anything they want on US Govt property (unfortunately)

This is something rather new - it started back in 1991 when Bush Sr got a little pissed when he was shown split screen with the caskets of the first Gulf war and one of the clips showed him laughing at something with the caskets in the other screen.
Since then they have allowed pictures when it suited them - during certain returns of soldiers after something was over. And then they put in a total ban in 2001 however someone put in a freedom of info act request and got ahold of a few hundred photos by accident - and a bunch of newspapers published them last year.
Recently in response to a lawsuit though I believe the pentagon had to agree to release the pictures - however now you just have to get some news organization that has balls to actually run them

ya know after thinking about this
I bet that sheriff or whoever arrested him has ideas of being mayor or something and figured this would be some easy and free publicity

That very well could be. Politicians are very slick & slimy these days. They could care less about outcome as long as they come out looking better than when they went in |angry|

hey tommy , check your PM's mate ;)

I don't understand what any of you are talking about :(

What is wrong with our great nation led by our trustworthy and wise leaders spreading the gospel of democracy around the globe at gun point?

Then, of course, censoring the news so that us free democratic people don't have to bother with truth and other nasty bits.

I hope all the fucking lyers burn in hell.

I don't understand what any of you are talking about :(

What is wrong with our great nation led by our trustworthy and wise leaders spreading the gospel of democracy around the globe at gun point?

Then, of course, censoring the news so that us free democratic people don't have to bother with truth and other nasty bits.

I hope all those fucking lyers burn in hell.