Maybe I am lucky I don't know? Maybe my traffic is better? I didn't just start my business with "a standing start" either. I researced this business for a long time.
I bet there are webmasters out there who have made a hell of lot more than 6 sales in under 5 weeks times.
Magical sales? 6 sales is far from "magical in opinion." I try to build 6-7 days a week. It's work. Nothing magical about that.

That would be why my submit domain is pubilc :)

No offense intended here TB, but you came here asking for assistance. You're getting help from some of the best in the free site/link list game. And frankly, you're pretty much arguing some of their very valid points.

I DO check whois on submissions...and I DO decline based on false whois info. You have to realize how many cheaters and scammers there are in this biz. We don't know you...nor do we know you're not one of the cheats. Believe us, UW and I are not the only ones that check whois info. Many of the large link sites do. This topic has come up over and over on this board. Do yourself a favor...search for whois on this board. Perhaps, that will convince you that no one here is just yankin your chain for fun.

Fake whois info is an instant decline. In many cases, some link sites will actually blacklist for fake whois info.

As to your sales...frankly, your numbers are too low to really know for sure yet. Hell, I'm off to a 1:8000 start to the week right now. Not normal for me, but it happens. Hopefully, within a couple days it will pick up again...and normalize those numbers.

To some extent, traffic is as important as tweaking your sales approach. You want to get listed everywhere you submit...or damn close to it! I'm happy to say my sites are accepted at every one of the sites I submit too. Yes, 100% acceptance...and yes, it took me a long time to get to that level.

I know you're frustrated that you haven't made any sales yet. This biz is not an easy...those days are long gone. But, if you start accepting the good advice you're getting and adapting...perhaps...just maybe your traffic flows will increase. Perhaps, you'll start sending 5k clicks a week to sponsors...or 5k a day...at that point, you'll be able to much better tweak your sales approach.

Right now, you need to get listed and get traffic. Please, try to accept the solid advice you're getting here instead of justifying your current methods which obviously aren't working for you.

But, that's just my humble opinion of course :D

We blacklist for fake or private whois. I had to fix mine up as a free site submitter so our submitters can do the same. It basically a case, as has been said tons of time here before, that we do everything we can to cut down on the cheating and the bullshit we get in our database every day.
Most of us check whois AND reverse ip to see what other sites are listed on the ip. I had someone wanting to know why he was blacklisted the other day.. there are tons of r4pe sites on his ip.

Well, from what I have read on this board and others, getting 6 sales your first month from a zero traffic start is more then magical. It is in-freakin'-credible, no matter how much research you did. So you will have to pardon me for taking what you say with a grain of salt.

I have been building sites at probably the same rate as you and I am not afraid to share my sites or some of my stats. I have not gotten a single sale, not one, not zip, nothing, nada, rien.
I have sent plenty of traffic to my sponsors, completly defying the declared bullshit ratio of 1:350 and I am still waiting.

And that is what this post is all about. It is not a personal attack on anyone.
(The board has actually been super nice, giving me lots of free help and advice. Thanks GG&J board!)

It is a simple question:
"where the hell are all these promised sales?"
The sponsors bandy around figures like the money was gonna rain from the sky, so how 'bout a little drizzle??

With all due respect MrYum,
You have a reference point on me.
So you believe the address is fake.
No reference point, no discussion.
Checking the whois to find that the cheater listed a "real" fake address puts you in the same jeopardy.
And lets face it are your really gonna travel to Mother Russia to see if the address is really "real" ??

This discussion over fake and real whois addresses is moot and honestly a waste of time because it is too easily by-passed.

As well I am not in-validating the good advice given, please re-read my prior posts.
All of the helpful pointers were duly noted and shall be incorporated.

What do you find so hard to believe about 6 sales in the first month? If you submit good sites to good lists, 6 sales your first month is not a huge task. He wasn't tooting his horn, he's giving you a comparison.

Simply stated, you suck. You really, really suck. Deal with it. You're always going to suck because you'd rather argue about the reasons why you suck rather than taking everyone's advice as friendly critcism and learning from it.

And as far as that free site Tommy showed you - don't follow that example! I'd never list that damned thing. Those banners with the fake thumbs would get you rejected every time and eventually blacklisted.

Okay...fair enough TB. You can continue to ignore all the folks telling the whois issue is real...and keep waiting for those sales you were 'promised' to start raining from the sky.

Oh, and trust me...I always read an entire thread before responding. But, you just seemed to be either missing or choosing to ignore a very important piece of advice. Which from your response to me, it appears you will continue to do so...as you have decided it's moot and a waste of time.

Given that fact, this thread has become of waste of my valuable time. Best of luck to you mate...you're going to need it.

tb,
I'll toss in my 2 peso's. You have gotten some very good advice already. Go back and re-read it without having a defensive attitude.
I took a look at a few of your sites. Get rid of any graphic that is not going to make you a sale. They take time to load and are distracting. Your customers will walk right on by them.
The very top of your index page has the capability of making most of your sales. You need your best ad in that spot. Grab the surfer by the short and curlys. An example. Say you have an Asian site. Your sponsor has a banner that has an air of mystery to it ( you don't nec. need a banner here, just the eye and mind grabbing text). Some simple text that is easy to read. "Banned in all of Asia" will grab their attention. Then proceed to tell them why it was banned and why they should be watching the movies on that site.
And your enter links are misleading. Most people do not know the name of the site they clicked on. "Enter Horny Black Women" will confuse them everytime. A simple, easy to find "Enter" is all that is needed. :)

Time to start reading the post Useless.

All the good advice has been noted.

I'm a firm believer in put your money where your mouth is.
If he truly is giving me a comparison then lets see it!
A comparison without an example is like tits on a bull, useless! (pardon the pun)
Stand up and say your a genius, then better be perpared to prove it.

Sure the ratio is 1:350 but only after a million unigue hits. Time to tell the truth!

You guys brought up the bullshit address thing to argue about.
It's pure crap, check the damn address all you want. Any idiot can fly a real fake address by you anytime. YOU NEED A REFERENCE POINT, all aboard, next stop the Czeck Republic.

And what's with the personal attack, what did I ever do to you?

Nice piece of advice Major, thanks!

I am not getting defensive, people told me my enter link was too small so I showed them 10 sites were my enter link was huge.
You people are getting all defensive.
Again all good pointers are noted and I will use them.

Just in case anyone joins this thread in the middle the above quote is how it started.

I just want to single out what I think is the most salient point:
"I am getting plenty of clicks to the join pages but no sales. I work with a variety of sponsors"

So it really isn't about my enter links or my thumbs or my graphics or my text, cuz people are checking out the sites and clicking on the ads.

What I really want to know is how I could log in 5000 odd clicks to one sponsor and not make a single sale??

And why do sponsors keep talking about this nonsense 1:350 conversion ratio,
which is obviously crap?

The sponsors and the LL owneres want you to play by a very strict set of rules, I don't see adherence on the other side of the game.

Anyway if you just joined the fray, this is how it started.

you just don't want to listen, i am sorry for you, there are plenty of great people here trying to help you and you are getting all defensive. go back and read the top shit and learn, yea you are getting a lot of clicks to sponsors i can to lol but you have 3 fucking banners of the same shit on the top of the next site i checked, it doesn't work it only makes the surfer worried you are hustling them, 6 sales is nothing lol why are you so sceptical, if you followed the advice of tommy who is in the biz since the beginning and with you obvious work ethic (much better than mine lol) you would have 6 sales a day and be ready to retire but instead u want to argue with the people helping you??? WTF one of my first sites i made was crap and i forgot the links til 4th page lol but got 2 sales on it the 1st week, because i knew what i was selling and how to get my surfer off (UW can comment on that lol :D) and i bet i made at least 6 on the month when i fixed it lol. listen and learn like any business and open up your who is cuz the feds know anyway and the rest dont give a fuck :D i am only here cuz some one got on me for trying to spam domains at ANS and i listened and learened and then made $$$$$$$$$ it works the only biz where people teach you to make money for free, don't blow your rep, and piss people off it's not worth it :)

heheh here's one of mine lol don't do freesites much anymore but so you don't think i am hiding :D http://www.x-pix.us/freesites/asian-creampie/ it made some $$$

Sorry to intrude.....
If we assume that the figures quoted are reasonably accurate, then what could be the reason for the lack of any sales?
Are tb's sites simply not putting the surfer in the right frame of mind for a sale?
Or are we assuming that the sponsors are somehow up to something?
Or are tb's figures wrong?

I agree that the sites tb posted need some tweaking, but I'm unsure as to why with that many folks going to the right places from tb's sites there would be no sales at all.
I'm confused!
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KG Gary - if you as a surfer click on a link thinking it is taking you to the free galleries on a free site and you end up at a pay site of a sponsor then wouldnt you probably back out and go somewhere else to get those free pics? This is what is happening in this case.
The free sites are designed so badly that the surfers are clicking to the sponsor's site by accident - and that makes the traffic the worst kind for trying to sell - they already feel like theyve been tricked.

As far as the whois addy question - the reasons we have out reviewers check them - they list your host (which quite a few are banned), they list your other domains which give an indication of whether or not you are also going after undesirable types of traffic (pedo, animal etc) and most importantly, whether you have had a blacklisting for spamming in the past. They also give us information on whether you are multi-submitting from numerous domains (which has happened countless times) and last - tell us whether its a paid host or a free/sponsor/shared host.
While you may think that you have been listed well - I can tell you that for 100 sites 5000 hits to sponsors is very small for that timeframe - which tells me that you are not being listed at very many LLs - and I was just trying to give you the reasons that might cause that - with the amount of cheaters that LLs deal with every day(as an example - just today my reviewers blacklisted 153 submitters) it is in your best interests to do everything you can to stay away from the little things that can cause an instant ban - and the whois info is just the first step.

Going back and re-reading - Iguess that was just one set of sites that sent 5000 hits to a sponsor and no sales - looking at that set of free sites - the thumbs suck - they are distorted and pixellized so a bad start. The sales text is horrible - if youre trying to get a surfer hot and bothered - that is just not going to do it.

OK, I have isolated one of your sites at http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php01/01/

I won't debate about marketing much since many other people said enough here and also in the books.

You have to sell with your heavu artillery:

I copied your copy (which isn't really a sales pitch):"Pantyhose posing in the Emperor's chamber.
That or she decided to get undressed at the furniture store again.
No matter what, these are the uber models of pantyhose posing.
Check out the web site and I'm sure you'll agree.
When you're done click on the Planet Pantyhose link for more.
Treat yourself like an Emperor, after all it's really not that expensive. "

Try replacing it with this, make new site and submit to LLs:
BIG YELLOW HEADLINE:"DISCOVER MY PLANET OF HORNY GIRLS"
"When you see my horny girlfriends wearing those new pantyhoses and flashing their shaved juicy pussies ready for your big cock, you'll be begging for MORE! If you behave, I'll let you visit my private planet - Planet Pantyhose. ENTER MY SITE FOR INSTRUCIONS."

and don't link yet to sponsor. Let them enter your site and try to "discover" themselves.

Just an idea...

1:350 isn't magic. A high converting paysite should average below 1:200.

I sort of understand your scepticism though. When I first started, I didn't even believe I'd get a check, and when I got my first check, I wasn't sure if it was real or fake.

My first free sites were pretty horrible. I remember checking my sponsor stats every day and seeing no sales day after day. One paysite I remember I sent 4000 clicks and no sales. My sites looked good, the thumbs weren't over compressed, I used horny text, I used different gallery layouts, etc etc... but the sales just weren't coming.

I asked people about stats, and when people said I should be getting 1:500 at least I was "like how?"

Well, after a few good advice from other webmasters, I changed my approach, and I started seeing some amazing numbers that makes 1:350 look like shit.

So here's my advice...people here are not steering you wrong, re-read this thread and start building better sites.

Thanks for taking the time to explain Linkster, and for making perfect sense!
The idea is to tempt the surfer into looking for a bit more and then let the tour do it's job, rather than trick the surfer onto the tour and create another pissed off porn-hunter. I understand.

So much great advice here. It's amazing.
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I also get low conversions on my sites and I know I got a shit load to learn but I keep reading and keep experimenting.

6 sales is nothing. I've got 4 in just under 4 weeks and I am shit. And thats my first proper 4 weeks of the freesite game. Thats from 18 freesites in 4 weeks and I'm now at the level of making 6 new ones a week.

High conversion ratios are hard to pull, it takes practice.

And your traffic levels are exceptionally low. You do have a problem getting accepted at LLs despite what you think. After 4 weeks I am getting 3500 uniques a day to my freesites after submitting to 18 freesites to LLs. Its just my conversion ratios are not great :(

I'm pretty sure having fake whois info is illegal so its not just a LL acceptance issue.

I havent made my first sale yet and I too have been puting out one free site + one gallery per day. I am constantly tripping over my own feet, but thanks to the people on the boad I am constantly improving and know that Ill get there soon enough. Unfortionatly you came onto this board with the wrong attitude. One thing which I figured out is that this board consists heavily of linklist owners which are very critical - if you are looking for a more cream puff everythings ok just hold on answer you may want to try posting here: http://www.netpond.com/ if you are honest of your intentions and are truly looking for answers then this is the right place - you just have to listen.

(and as soon as I make my first sale I'll let you know the site)

This guy is obviously very bitter he's been doing this for 6 months and hasn't made a penny. Shit I would be too.

The main thing I don't get is why the hell would anyone work for 6 months without making any coin, then decide to start asking questions? Yeah I would have been on the boards asking questions and advice after 1-2 months of no sales. Would have saved yourself a lot of wasted time.