And what I should have done before posting the above is done a search on Hundies Entertainment (the site owners). Apparently they have been taken over by another company who are redesigning their sites. So it looks like point 2 in my last post is the most likely.

Or have you used "The Adult Broker" for site promotion recently, if so it is probably (1) because they list Hundies Entertainment as a client.

Kara Davis has been around for years, and was recently sold. The reason I knew about the frame is because I see both sites doing the same thing in my stats frequently. Their affiliate code is in the frameset, which goes unseen.

What confuses me is that the other site is an adult resource board, and should know better.

http://www.pornresource.com/videos/brutus_black/ this domain/site use to be ( I don't if it currently is) owned by Boss Hawg. Who operated Hawg's Cash until he folded earlier this year.

RE: "the other site is an adult resource board, and should know better." Than what? The reason I mentioned them is that they do site promotion and the other site is a client of theirs. If kalle7 has paid them to send him hits, then this is a legitimate way of doing it, most traffic brokers will sell you hits sent from "closed" sites that open your site in a frame. (Although I don't think it is the same company that runs the board, but another company with the same name.)

I meant them in relation to my earlier post http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...1&postcount=20

They are doing the same thing to me, as kara davis is doing to kalle.

Do you feel that this is okay?

RE: "Do you feel that this is okay?" You are asking me if it is OK for someone to give you free traffic? If you walk into a supermarket and the manager comes up to you with a brass band, tells you that you are their millionth customer and gives you $10,000 as a prize do you 'phone the police to complain that he maliciously gave you a suitcase full of notes?

Jeez, some people will complain about anything.

I don't see where you can come up with that example for Kallie. If they are are stealing his search engine traffic they are still useless cocksuckers.

I would not appreciate one of my affiliates doing that and I damn sure know how to turn their swithch off. And to hell with Kallie being nice to them.

It is in a frame, so they are not stealing SE traffic. SE's do not count content pulled from another domain into a frame on your site as part of your site, they ignore it

However whatever traffic that site is getting (and remember it has a good Alexia rating and a Google PR of 2, so must be getting reasonable se traffic) goes to http://www.tanyaonweb.com/main/ .

If your definition of "useless cocksuckers" are people who gives you all their traffic, including SE traffic, then you can suck my cock any day. :)

It just crossed my mind, you may be confusing this situation with "redirects" that can be used to steal SE ranking, that is not what is going on here.

I get the impression that you are less than an honest webmaster by all your suspect posts.

You spout unsubstantiated rhetoric and abuse my friends for sport. I don't care what you think of me. I do care what you say about my friends.

Pass on sucking your dick since I am not a cocksucker. I am not sure anyone understands what is going on here. We might have to get the big guns involved here to get a decent opinion.

Calling Greenguy. Hello Linkster. It is daytime, Danger Dave

ecchi- please go and re read the situations mentioned before advising other board members to perform fellatio on you.

If the frameset name is named with the url of the site, then it is indeed attracting search engine traffic to itself.

The original question, in simple english is: Is it acceptable to steal search engine traffic by the 4 methods mentioned in post #20. It was a sincere question, and should be neither mocked nor ridiculed. At least not on this board.

RE: "You spout unsubstantiated rhetoric and abuse my friends for sport." What I am trying to do is help your friends. The original poster asked what was going on, I offered my opinion, I also took time out of my busy day to explain a few things they did not understand, I could have been spending the time making free sites or something. As to "abuse my friends for sport" I don't think I have been abusive, I may have been a bit blunt but I am not talking to ten year old schoolgirls, I really don't think you have to treat them like babies.

And as to "You spout unsubstantiated rhetoric" Can I suggest you go to Amazon and buy a few books on how the Internet works, you will find what I have said repeated in most of them.

RE :"I get the impression that you are less than an honest webmaster by all your suspect posts." Sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? I try to help your friends, and you accuse me a crook because of it. Are you drunk or stoned, or do you just want your friends to fail.

RE: "I do care what you say about my friends." But you would rather they were mushroomed (kept in the dark and fed bullshit). They may be your friends, but you are not much of a friend to them.

RE: "I don't care what you think of me." Although I occasionally disagree with your opinions, I used to think you were an intelligent guy. But after that post I just think you are a bit of a cunt (I may change my opinion if you are very drunk or stoned, everyone acts like an ass then).

My apologies to everyone else for this post.

RE "please go and re read the situations mentioned before advising other board members to perform fellatio on you." Oh I see, that is what set Surfin off. It was a joke, I was trying to lighten the post so it did not look like I was just stamping on what Chop Smith was saying.

Actually Hundies is the new owners, it used to be owned by "makebling.com"

It is very obvious to me that you bought "Internet for Dummies" and now believe you are some sort of authority. Disagreements are one thing, I don't mind those, but running up your post count by being abusive is quite another thing.

Hell you even abuse Urb, a fellow countryman, about the weather. If you aren't trying to run your sig numbers up what are you trying to do?

I think if anyone is drunk or stoned you are.

What? I thought board members willingly gave fellatio to other board members on a regular basis |cry|

I agree with a lot of the points made in this thread...really if I hire a company to produce traffic for me...I don't expect them to do it by basically usurping my SE traffic that I'd be getting anyways. I would expect that company to have another traffic producing means to send me traffic. I shouldn't need to compete with those I'm paying for services from.

Has there been anyword from karadavis people?

RE: "If the frameset name is named with the url of the site, then it is indeed attracting search engine traffic to itself." Actually that is not correct, unless the frames are on the same domain (and even if they are on the same domain many SE guru's think they are ignored).

RE: "It was a sincere question, and should be neither mocked nor ridiculed." And I gave a sincere answer. I do try to lighten posts where I disagree with people because most people hate being told they are wrong bluntly, but there was no intention to ridicule you.

In answer to your "original question" is it is never right to steal search engine traffic, but no one is actually stealing traffic in the examples you and kalle7 give, which I think I said long time ago and got called an abusive crook by surfin for doing so.

P.S. Sorry I appear to be answering posts several posts late, but you all type faster than me and your posts appear after I have hit submit.

RE :"It is very obvious to me that you bought "Internet for Dummies" and now believe you are some sort of authority." Nope, never read the book, I have however worked on the Internet for something like 15 years, and before that (since the early eighties) was a computer programmer. And I never set myself up as an "authority" I simply state facts or my opinions, as everyone else does.

RE "Hell you even abuse Urb, a fellow countryman, about the weather." WTF????????

RE: "If you aren't trying to run your sig numbers up what are you trying to do?" Actually on most boards my sig does not even have a link in it. The only reason I use the "Traffic Club" one on this board is that the character count set by GG&J is so low that I cannot fit my currently preferred sig in and this is one of the few that are short enough. On most boards my sig is just a quote from Hunter S Thompson and contains no link. It runs:

""No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun - for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax - This won't hurt." Hunter S Thompson's last message to the world 20 Feb 2005"

If I was sig whoring, those would be the boards I would use a "trade" sig on.

The nice Canadian lady and the kind gentlemen deserve a decent reply so will everyone please put their dick in their pants and get on the same page. Goggle "brutus black". Who is number 1. Not Emma

Im reading this thread and it poses some questions regarding tactice which i use - is it ok to copy sales text from the site which you are promoting, perhaps use images from their tour? I have been doing this for awhile now but now am questioning whether its ok or not.

I know for a fact you can report these tactics to google and they will ban the site from the search results if that helps any :)

Images from a tour you gotta be careful with...if the sponsor doesn't produce their own content they may not be allowed to have the content that's used on their sites used on domains outside of their licensing agreements. Best to check a sponsor's T&C before you do that just in case (most sponsors it's not a problem)

I don't think taking tidbits from a sponsor's site when you're going to be promoting that site will have any negative effects on the sponsor's opinion of you....purposely trying to trump them in the SEs by completely copying their tour is a different ball of wax I would think.

At least that's my opinion