Ill contribute that even if you have 7 years worth of content shot and in the can youd best have a sizable nest egg to pay for CMS, processing set up fees, design work and traffic before you start.

And to do it right takes a lot of frustrating time.

Realize this is an old thread, but curious about this paysite thing. Is there any point to creating a paysite by way of AVS these days? I've actually been playing with the idea of a paysite lately only cause I'm sick and tired of doing months of work only to get screwed by a sponsors who don't pay or change their links and don't credit you for your old links to them and etc. etc. There are still a few decent sponsors left but, I'm paranoid they'll just end up getting bought out sooner or later by "you should know who" and then they go to shit.

Anyway, my curiosity to AVS is that I don't believe I will be able to create enough product to do my own site that will convert by itself. Is this outdated thinking and should I just hold off. I'm thinking with AVS I will invest less time and money and be able to get going. Not expecting much on my first attempt anyway except to learn what to do and not to do. Probably go with something like 3D or something of the sort since I've been becoming a bit obsessed with it lately and it's actually eating into my work time, and I'm actually needing store files on a removable harddrive just to make space.

Anyway what are the pros and cons of AVS verses just going at it on your own? Seems like anyone who knows what they are doing doesn't do AVS any longer (from lurking various places) and I was just curious why?

Thanks

Wow this was a long winded post |loony| apologies

Paysite right now in this maraket without much experience or content is a bad idea.

However an AVS is probably a good idea. Very little investment and within the AVS network there is usually a lot of content to keep the person rebilling. Plus you don't have to worry about processing or anything like that.

AVS is old school and so it just can't work anymore. The only way to make money is with a tube site. Now where is that sarcasm smilie.

I have a dozen AVS sites that I run as mini paysites. The good news is that you do not have to worry about a back end to keep members rebilling like a paysite. The bad news is you are still trusting the AVS sponsor not to screw/shave you like other programs.

Like everything else, some sites will sell better than others so start with one that you have traffic for already and convert other sites with.

Porn in general you mean? Not sure how I would get experience without trying it and screwing up

Does this mean you're basically a glorfied affiliate doing more work? This is sort of what I want to avoid. Does it at least pay better and cut down on some of the screwing? Can you take it out of the AVS system if it starts doing anything?

probably I should just toss up something shitty and cheap just to go through the ritual and get a little bit of knowledge expecting it to be an expense.

Yes, you are a glorified affiliate doing more work.

If other programs retained as well I probably would not of tried AVS. SheepGuy convinced me to try it and I thank him for it.

At NV, $3 for 7 day trial, $15 for full month, $22 on rebills plus they just upped payouts to $17.50 for upsells to their own program. About 15% of my members are rebilling at $39.50 a month. You can also upsell within your members area but that really only turns into an extra couple of sales here and there, for me at least.

It's your site, so if you want to pull it and turn it into a paysite, go ahead. Probably better to leave a smaller softer members area as AVS and then upsell your bigger better paysite if you decide to go that way.

I have been on the fence about turning mine into paysites for over a year now. Having affiliates does not guarantee more sales if you can't get the ones that actually sell to promote you.

Probably the cheapest way to see if you can sell your own site, especially if you have content laying around not doing a damn thing. All my sites started that way ;) I always start with a couple thousand pics or more but you only need like 400 to start one.

Then again, this is old school stuff so it just can't work anymore :D

Thanks I appreciate the info. I like old school stuff. The new schools have been costing me an arm and a leg LOL.

So you start these things only with pics? No clips?

What I meant is to go out and invest in content to start a pay site in this market (many people think the paysite model is slowly dying) would not be wise. At least not wise to invest a lot of money.

And of course it ALL depends on what you open. Open a general big boob pay site and forget about it... there's 100 of them now. Open some niche without much competition then you have a better chance at success.

Doing an AVS site is easy.

Doing a paysite? Everything you need costs you something! CMS, billing, more hosting, designs, much more content than needed in an AVS.

Wasn't sure if you were talking about a particular niche or the paysite thing in general. Thanks.

I'm just sick and tired of promoting other people's crap cause most of the affiliate managers are glorified used car salesmen who don't even have their own license. |banghead|

Not sure I'll go this route, but I might just for shits and giggles. There are still some good program sponsors I still like, but I want to start at least figuring out a way not to depend on others while I still have my head above water.

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