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Licker4U 2007-02-27 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfdeck (Post 334682)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...me&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...bs&btnG=Search

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

I'm aching to be convinced otherwise.

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There's no harm in using the META keywords tag as long as you don't spam the hell out of it. I sometimes use it to help myself remember what I optimized a page for.

Those first two URL's gave me this:

Your search - site:http://www.searchenginelabs.com/ genome - did not match any documents.

Your search - genome inurl:searchenginelabs - did not match any documents.

Spam? No, I was thinking something like this for meta keywords:



It's basically a sentence but each word stands alone as a relevant word for a "big cock" site.

And for meta description:


Bill 2007-02-27 02:06 PM

That's Halfdecks point, Licker4u, the searches show no results for a page that he's saying is cached for a meta keywords test.

What led you to decide to use spaces instead of commas?

I said earlier there's a lot of ongoing debate about the keywords tag. At a certain point you just gotta make your choice and take your chances.

It's a weak tag. I think it barely matters what you put there. And you can do without it on most pages.

However, If you are going to use it, I would say it should be unique for every page you use it on. That's because of the spam detection potential of the meta tags.

DangerDave 2007-02-27 03:53 PM

It's a pity he/she/they couldn't even get the structure of an HTML page right... thereby making the experiment completely useless.

DD

Greenguy 2007-02-27 04:58 PM

I've heard that both have their benefits, but their flaws are almost too hard to ignore, let alone recognize & put to good use in the environment of SE html page production



|couch|

Licker4U 2007-02-27 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill (Post 334736)
That's Halfdecks point, Licker4u, the searches show no results for a page that he's saying is cached for a meta keywords test.

I missed that...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill (Post 334736)
What led you to decide to use spaces instead of commas?.

One of the Google articles I read recently said they aren't necessary....I think.

Bill 2007-02-27 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DangerDave (Post 334758)
It's a pity he/she/they couldn't even get the structure of an HTML page right... thereby making the experiment completely useless.

DD

Huh. It does look like the tag is malformed.

DangerDave 2007-02-27 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill (Post 334779)
Huh. It does look like the tag is malformed.

and out of order....

Halfdeck 2007-03-01 05:47 PM

Quote:

It's a pity he/she/they couldn't even get the structure of an HTML page right... thereby making the experiment completely useless.
Dave, good eye, but I don't grasp your logic:

- META keywords tag is "malformed"
- TITLE and META element in the header is out of place.
- So Googlebot didn't index the page correctly.

Assuming Googlebot will choke on minor validation errors - That's a big leap of faith. Though I think WC3 validaton does have some merit (from what I've seen Googlebot sometimes fail to find the meat of a page if HTML is too convoluted) you're assuming that Googlebot will trip up on that META tag just because there are spaces between name, =, and "keywords." That's a big assumption.

A majority of websites have validaton errors. Some errors will trip up Googlebot, according to a googler:

Quote:



...which results in a meta element with eight attributes, and which doesn't help anyone (least of all the search engines it's aimed at, since the second attribute should have been content, not value, and therefore the entire element is likely to be ignored).
http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/metadata.html

But in general, Googlers insist their bot is extremely flexible. I personally doubt that (they also said they are "pretty good" at spotting duplicate content but then wtf is this?) but I don't believe META tags out of order is enough to confuse the simplest of scripts. Their bot needs to be extremely forgiving, because otherwise it will fail to index 40% of the web:

Quote:

“40% of all html has syntax errors. and there’s no way search engines can remove 40% of its index, just because somebody didn’t validate.
- Matt Cutts

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-an...-google-video/

Assuming Google choked on that test page due to META positioned ahead of the TITLE attribute (its not mine, btw), nothing should come up for words in the TITLE attribute or on-page text.

Anyway, here's another example:

http://www.britney.com/, which ranks #4 for "britney spears."

It's got Flash on the home page and no actual textual content (besides keywords in the TITLE).

Here's the META keywords tag:



Kevin federline

Kevin Federline (without quotes)

Britney spears foundation

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Linkster 2007-03-01 06:24 PM

So I guess now google can actually play a swf and retrieve the words spoken or sung in the flash?

Since the words only show up in the keywords:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...%3Abritney.com

Halfdeck 2007-03-01 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster (Post 335197)
So I guess now google can actually play a swf and retrieve the words spoken or sung in the flash?

Since the words only show up in the keywords:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...%3Abritney.com

Interesting,

but how do you explain this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...om&btnG=Search

I don't know much about how Google indexes Flash. but I think that the META keywords is reproduced in the Flash file somewhere, along with dupe bio text.

Halfdeck 2007-03-01 07:47 PM

According to this page about SEOing SWF files, I can use the Adobe search engines SDK to extract indexable text from flash files.

So I downloaded the SDK, downloaded the britney.swf and this is what I pulled:

http://www.nastyxvids.com/google-flash/britney.html
(url is temporary, noindexed and nofollowed)

Partial Extract:

Quote:

…Baby One More Time
Sometimes
(You Drive Me) Crazy
From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart
Born To Make You Happy
Oops!...I Did It Again
Lucky
Stronger
Don’t Let Me Be The Last To Know
I’m A Slave 4 U
I’m Not A Girl, Not Yet A Woman
Overprotected
Boys
Anticipating
I Love Rock N’ Roll
Me Against The Music (featuring Madonna)
Toxic
Everytime
Outrageous
…Baby One More Time
Sometimes
(You Drive Me) Crazy
From The Bottom Of My Broken Heart
Born To Make You Happy
Oops!...I Did It Again
Lucky
Stronger
Don’t Let Me Be The Last To Know
I’m A Slave 4 U
I’m Not A Girl, Not Yet A Woman
Overprotected
Boys
Anticipating
I Love Rock N’ Roll
Me Against The Music (featuring Madonna)
Toxic
Everytime
Outrageous

Britney Spears may have titled her new single "Me Against The Music," but she
has rarely been more creatively in tune than she is right now. "I feel like I've hit a
great new stride as an artist," she says with pride. "I've worked hard, and I feel
like I've grown on so many levels."
In truth, "Me Against The Music" is hardly about declaring war against grooves.
"Actually, it's about the intensity that people approach music with," Britney shares.

Linkster 2007-03-02 06:45 AM

So it looks like we cant prove anything one way or the other - guess we will have to base our search engine work on what works for our own sites - I know the keywords meta effects my sites so Ill leave them where they are :)


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