Everyone develops their own system for hand submitting. Until you determine what works best for you it will most likely take you anywhere from twice to three times that time starting out.

Im submitting to 96 LL, in the beginning it takes me about 2 - 2,5 h. Now it depends what kind of music im liste... for exemple, metal 1,5 hour, classic or techno 50 minutes |headbang|

Hand submitting - currently 60 LL, takes 30min

Generally I would say 30 PR4 links over 100 PR2 strictly from a SEO viewpoint. In fact even 10 PR4 links are probably better than 100 PR2 links.

From and SEO point of view, don't worry about PR. (I'm sofa-king tired of hearing all the PR nonsense.) Run some search terms and see if the target lists are coming up in the results. Also, from an SEO point of view, it's not very smart to make a dozen copies of the same pages. So, anyone who tells you to submit to a ton of link lists and mentions PR in the same breath, has their head planted firmly in their ass.

Who says your useless? That's damn good advice there. |thumb

Even if you were just wanting a higher pr, for whatever reason, isn't it hard to say which is better without knowing how many other links are on the page.

Maybe all the pr 2 sites have 50 outgoing and all the pr 4 sites have 550 links going out. Aren't there just too many factors to guess which is more beneficial?

It takes me 20 minutes or so to submit. I use notepad open with the url and the description then copy and paste. The most time is spent on originally finding the webmaster submit url section and filling in the verification codes.

You can save a little more time by making a folder on your desktop and putting all the submit page urls on an html page. I have one page for each niche since they are all different. :D

I usually do 100 LL, but Im looking to my server stats all time time to drop out the ones that send me almost no traffic

They do not necessarily need to produce duplicate pages though, UW.
If someone is worried about the duplicate content penalty they could always vary the other entrance pages so that they are more unique as well (changing a few words around might even do it). Or even use seperate templates entirely. It would be a little more work, but is doable.

Don't have to do it to every warning page either. ;)

Lordy, that's like doing 10 freesites a day, 9 of them for a tiny amount of traffic. Just because you happen to have the content cropped and ready, pretty much.

I currently submit to 10-14 lists. I go for the ones that send the most traffic + a couple that only require one link in the recip table. I don't want to submit to LL's that require 2 backlinks for a negligable amount of traffic. The way I see it, 2 links for 1 does not make good SEO sense, so a LL needs to compensate for that with enough traffic.

That said, I now have help in the freesite department from my brother-in-law. We may try the mirror sites to dozens of LL's approach with a few FS in the future, and see if that generates more sales. No way am I going to start tweaking text and creating different ones though. We'll just see if the cons outweigh the pros or the other way around. Might even make this into a proper experiment and post the results here.

I think you might be suprised at the results of submitting to multiple sets of lists. I've had pretty good luck with it myself. As far as mirroring sites and making the pages unique, I use tokens in my templates and do a search and replace in my html editor. %title%, %root%, %domain%, %kw1%, %kw2%, etc. I can mirror a site 4 times and make the uppercase lower case changes usually in 5-10 minutes. It's really not that hard with a little thought put into it. ;)

But then you go back to time consuming and would the time be better used making another new site which could be submitted to the top 40 and send greater traffic. Not only that in terms of SEO it would be far greater have another site than a mirror.

Well, I guess it depends on what one wants to do. With the freesites I know a lot of them have rules saying only one submit a day. If a person does not have anything else to do, then I guess it wouldn't be a big deal.

I know I have around 1,000 freesites/AVS sites (many with different "warning pages" that vary only by the AVS script or different recips) that I set up over the years.... about 10 templates.... Many of which were made from starting with a previous one and only changing only what I absolutely needed to. I wish I would have done this the right way from the start instead of being lazy. I am fairly certain the duplicates have hurt my rankings a bit. If had it to do all over again, I wouldn't cut corners. But I am glad that I did submit to the other AVSs and freesites. Over the years I have recieved a considerable amount of sales from this. |twocents

But I guess this is one good thing about this field/business: We each are in our own drivers seat so to speak and are free to make our own calls. Situations and preferences different for each one of us.

It was around 95 but took it down to 50 after filtering them out

I submit up to 150-170 LL it takes 20-28 minutes :)
and 99LL in gay LL base...

as for me i submit about 220 LL about 80% of them submited and it takes about 30 min

7.3 submits per minute or 1 submit every 8.2 seconds?

Impossible (without a script)

That's what I thought about this post as well...

I'm not sure why they would, but it always makes me wonder if people lie in these type of threads about how many they submit to. Honestly, how could someone sub to 100+ linklists, be members of this board and I've never heard of them. (That wasn't meant to be as cocky sounding as it turned out) |hammer

I'm not sure I could even find 100 linklists I'd want to submit to anymore. |loony|

Thats the reason I posted this question - I do about 80 and I find that some are either redundant or don't send you no traffic.

I also noted that most of the LL that send me traffic are regulars on this board.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Without a script there is just no way. |greenguy|