The biggest pain is not being able to control the surfer once he's joined since 98% of the time we don't know who it is, the same with normal sponsor sites, and if your sponsor site is crappy on the inside with limited content, nothing unique, then the retention rate is even lower. And sponsors need to recognize that once they are in the door, it's their responsibility to retain them, upsell them, cross sell them and suck that money out of their wallet like Jenna sucks a .............
......uh uh...
.....banana... |bananna| |bananna| |bananna|


for me, who mostly promotes Live Cam, i prefer rev-share because if i send quality traffic, we both make money. One of the sites i promote pays either 50.00 per sign up,or 25% of Rev, so my average sign-up has paid me over 171.71 each over the last year with my ratio 1:337. Not the greatest but not bad either.

however what i promote is unique, ever changing 'content' and i know that if a guy clicks through and joins one of my sites he is specifically looking for that host, and its up to HER to get him to video and retain him. I spend endless hours in our forum, and on line coaching, motivating, shepherding, etc..but truthfully, for us, it does pay off.

If i had to rely on pay per join, i'd probably get a 2nd job at 7-11.

I had one sponsor drop me about a year ago, saying there were too many chargebacks...but they never responded when I asked to see some statistics!

I just removed all their links and moved on - there are a lot of sponsors out there!

In addition to agreeing with most here - the most important problem I see is that new sponsors think they have to push a pay per sale model from the beginning - something that anyone who has been around for a while will tell you is BS - and not a good way to stay in business. While it may get you good traffic from the start from people like the LL owners etc. it cannot be done without something already in place to ensure that the freesignups/cancels still make you money (yes there are plenty of ways) which most paysites starting out don't understand.

With Google how it's been recently, I am very glad of recurring. But this is usually generated from sites who add new and exclusive content, regularly.

This is pretty funny - I just got an email from one of the programs stating they are lowering payouts on the Per Signup program from whatever it was ($35 I think) to $30

This email also plugs their other program, which is the other program I got tossed out of - LOL

Please email the urls of what you were using to get those sign-up. I'll use them until they kick me out. LMAO|bananna|

Seeing as they were both programs that I recently started to use, all the traffic was from link-o-rama.com

...and no, you can't use those pages :D

#1 YES, you are probably WAY overdue for a good bitch GG
and this is surely a good one.

It hasn't happened to Me recently, but it happened 2 Me
about 3 years ago. And now it's THERE loss.

I was on a great (pay-per) program and doin' decent with it.
THEN.... as u have said (out of the realm) I get an email that
says (we are converting u to a pay-per-active).

To set up this I want to ad that I had just (one week before) talked to My rep and I was going to convert many sites to this program cause it was ROCK'n ( or I thought).

So they still converted Me and I went on the rampage of changin' sponsors.

Lo and behold....
I found a great $25 per that worked
out for Me better than the other anyway.

Is there a point?
Probably not... other than sponsors are strugglin'
to cover expenses and realms they never should have
persued to start with.

I still laugh today because THAT sponsor was (so to speak) a main player back in the day and now they are hard 2 find.

But I credit them for giving Me a very good learing experiece.
Which is what this biz is about.

I was with a sponsor a few years back that changed their whole system from Per Sign up to recurring cause people weren't keeping their membership longer than the Trial period, I tried their trial period and then let the membership go for another month, the site was NEVER updated, I quickly changed to a different company in the same area and did wonderfuly. Companies that are trying to get people to sell their site should update regularly.

so to sum it up it's their fault!

regards
garv

I just had the same exact problem. Got switched to recurring because there sites sucked and they couldnt keep a member.

Hi Frank!! Good to see ya!

i was pushing one sponsor a bit more for foreing traffic because i did good and they pay in euros (i am loosing big money with the us dollar), i use the per sign up program , till i notice i got a sale and 2 days later the sale was pulled back, i thought what the fuck, i asked them , they said yeah he took the 3 day trial but he canseld the second day, i said so what?....hell dont show me money in my accound if they can pull it back, i dont like that, this happend 4 times in a row so i doubt should i push them or not.....

A simple concept Urb, that many sponsors, unfortunalty, can't seem to grasp! I prefer recurring myself. Finding the sponsor who knows how to keep the surfer engaged with original quality content - that's the hard bit - they are out there though.


I can't help seeing the irony in these situations though, a sponsor moves webmaster/s from PPSU to recurring, so webmaster/s can send potential customers to a program that can't keep the customer in the first place... I'ts almost funny!

:)

Damn, I know who you're talking now.

That sucks :(

But here's something to consider (since you said the traffic comes from LOR, and you don't seem to do this there, this doesn't apply to you - but lots of people hurt their rebills by using this method)

Anybody who puts too much emphasis on the free trial and say how there's no obligation because you don't have to stay a member, and say stuff like "Just cancel if you don't like it" or "Just try it for a few days and leave if you want" etc will have significantly less rebills than those people who focus more on just sending the surfer to the trial and don't mention the cancelling part.

Anytime you emphasize that the surfer can cancel, they're a greater chance they will remember to. And unfortunately most pay sites aren't THAT GOOD that they don't benefit from members who "forget" to cancel. People who rebill because they forgot to cancel account for alot of this industry's profits.

People who rebill because the forget to cancel account for MOST of the industry's profits.

It's all gonna change soon though |cool|

agreed - there are some major changes coming in that arena

I love this thread. I have been wondering what happens to my account at sponsor xxx if the trials do not convert in big enough a scale?
GG got moved to recurring but instead of doing that the maybe start shaving (more)?
I've also been wondering what is behind all these fancy tours You see around. The tours are getting better and better so if the sponsor use more money on designers and affiliate programs than content its understandable why they run into problems.
If we send traffic to a sponsor site, its the tour which sell. If that tour sell too good and the surfer/member gets disappointed it can't be out fault.
The only paysite I've seen inside is Karups Private Collection as they let me choose some content from members area. That site got what it takes and now I understand why I still get a check for rebills every month eventhough I do not promote them any more and have not done that for around 8 months.

How the hell do a sponsor think they can survive if they show old pictures and 10 to 20 secs clips to their members as someone in here have seen.

The surfers got much more experience today and I bet a lot of them jump from paysite to paysite buying trials only. 35 USD per trial will never payoff if its the same shit in site after site they join.

Some years ago one sponsor let us webmasters in for free. Their member's area was, if I say it straight, totally shit. Mostly bad quality small pictures that were probably collected from newsgroups. I cannot even found any videos. Needless to say I pulled my links right away. That sponsor must have been a real dummie, as they stated us that they were proud of their members area and wanted us to see it. |jester|

Then again, when one of the big boys let us took a peek from their member's area, it was awesome. Well, I have rebill checks from them every month, have got almost 5 years now. |bananna|

I hate to see it happen but Its nice to know it wasnt just me they did it to....lol

Fresh content is important as so many have said but have any of you though about the surfer that signs up and cancels immediately and after 30 days he likes the site and signs up again but not via the webmasters affiliate link.

I see many surfers do this and the poor webmaster who sent the sale in the 1st place gets the initial sale and nada recurring.