yup and thats the problem and got the answer, but not telling, it will take a group of people for it to be really effective, and Its not really a tube network

Sooner or later Google will ban all the tubes

as soon as they see that its hurts their ad dollars .. it will happen

if the people who advertise with Google make less dollars because the market is swamped with free porn then some of them will stop advertising ..

it will happen it just has to come full circle

the adwords people should have stopped or hit them in the pocket

when they started with the subdomain spam sites

There's a dream that will leave some of you broken hearted. A tube is a legal business model. Google has no reason to ban it, as if they ban anything. Everything that appears in search results competes with adwords, yet it's also the basis of adwords.

Stop fretting over tubes. Evolve or accept your fate.

Very true. I run a couple of tubes, one that takes submits, and while I admit to losing a bit of money starting out, tubes done well are a very viable and effective way to make money :) It's definitely not uncommon for me to pull under 1:100 for really good programs with fresh content on tube traffic. Perfectly legal and legitimate site model, and now a very good earner for me.

Doesn't mean tgp's or linklists are going to be 'taken over', hell many picposts are still around and have some good traffic despite 'being wiped out' by tgps ;)

Let's not give tubes all the credit. When I Google search '[model name] [name of site]' a lot of the time I get back: rapid share links, torrents, and forums where people post complete videos -- and some tubes. It's a fucking smash and grab without the smash.

I am not a freesite submitter but I did want to say one thing.

The community of freesite LLs is relatively small compared to other site types. Every LL has a set of rules and many of those rules are the same. I am sure it would be helpful if some of the bigger lists could get together and word/order their common rules the same (with each lists' unique rules coming at the end). It would ease the submission process and increase the quantity / quality of submits.

when talking about free sites the only thing I really care about is the enter link

a lot of you make it very confusing

if you have a big enter link
and its not muddied up with other.. enter this, enter that BS ...

its good to go here

You must be getting submit from people not on this board - it's always been a standard rule that the only place that can say "enter" is the enter link.

eh.. but right underneath the enter link it says
"enter sponsor name"
then under that it says
"enter another sponsor name"

I would love to list a lot more free sites but I want the enter links like this
http://www.eroticmodelindex.com/horny_lesbian_babes/

Tommy - believe me when I say that NONE of the regular's on this board do that. You just have some "tricky" submitters that you need to communicate to & inform them that you don't like those other "enter" links.