neo-gel,

I do agree with you. As I stated when my gun isn't in use it is taken apart, the firing pin is removed, the gun barrel with a coated cable and locked so it couldn't be but together with ease. And the parts are locked in a lock box. I had to take a 8 hour safty class on proper handeling etc etc.. And I do not store ammo. If I need it I would buy just enough to shoot at the range or store.

I respect and I am also scared of it. But again as I said a gun is safe with proper handeling.


And thanks for the Sig Sauer info

I still want my own tactical nukes, just so that I can say I have them. :D

Personally I think that watching Bowling for Columbine should be required in order to own a gun.

Cleo,

Then best to read this prior to watching it:

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

;)

I haven't seen the movie Bowling for Columbine and don't care to see it. A few friends of mine (non gun owners) said the movie was full of lies, a few friends (gun owners) also said the same thing, the movie was based on lies.


And If I remember correctly Michael Moore was booed off stage at the 2003 Oscars...

Cleo you say you are againsts weapons or machines that are made just to kill.

What about the Native Americans that used the bow and arrow, a Axe, Hatchet, and Spears (All weapons made to kill) not just as a survival tatact but as a weapon for self-defense.

further back in history to the French Revalution and the gillatine. That was a machine made for killing people.

The eletric chair, leathel injection, rope used for hanging people in the days of 1880's. Or the tubs made to drown witches. Its just a part of history. As long as people are afraid of what they don't understand there will always be a machine or process of death. After all it is a way of life in an imperfect world.



I am done...

I am not going to get into a long debate on this subject, but just because kids killed with guns it doesnt mean its the guns fault. There are a lot of issues with the columbine shootings, not to mention Michael Moore (sp?) is wacked.

Anyhow, soon people need to take responsibility for their own actions, the kids that cause the death of those innocent people were responsible, their parents are responsible, if we had responsible parenting we would know if our kids were making bombs in their bedroom.

There are a lot of issues with everything, and we cannot simply say "Guns are bad", so are cigarettes, they kill people and yet the manufacturers are held responsible not the idiots (like myself) who buy the cigarettes and die from lung cancer.

It's my fault I smoke, just as if it would be my fault if I killed someone with a gun, car, knife, hammer or brick :)

Just my 2cents on the subject.

On that note I never wish to see anyone shot, wounded or killed. I was a paramedic for about 5 years and have seen some nasty shit including gun shot victims, sorry to hear you were a victim Cleo, hopefully someday we can keep guns out of the hands of idiots and in the hands of good law abiding people.

DAMMIT! I hate it when I close the window instead of hitting submit after previewing a post... |angry|

Let's try this again...

1) Bowling for Columbine is a SATIRICAL piece. 99.475% of the entire film is fabricated. Michael Moore even admits this fact. He just wanted to get everyone's panty's in a bunch and he did a brilliant job of doing so.

2) Weapons only kill in the hands of those who already intend to kill - accidents aside. If I wanted someone dead I could just as easily kill them with a pencil, an icesickle (not in Arizona), or my bare hands that were trained to kill by the USMC. I don't have any reason or compunction to kill anyone though, so I haven't.

3) To the question at hand... I'd go for the Sig Sauer. It has a more sturdy design and a smoother action and I've never heard of one jamming, unlike some stories of Glocks I have heard. For smaller caliber hand guns I'd go with a Walther PPK .38cal. They are compact, balanced and smooth as glass in their action.

Thank you :)

Now for those that haven't seen it go watch it.

It's only fair as I've tried guns.

Can't judge something unless you experience it. :D

Cleo I will make a deal with you...

I will see the movie when it gets on HBO. when you think that as you said

Originally posted by Cleo
"Here go watch a movie instead of wasting your time shooting guns."


It may be a waste of MY time, but unlike the 60 minutes I spent at the range. I will never get the 90 or so minutes of my life back watching that movie.

I hope you don't believe everything you see on tv or in movies.

I love gun threads. They're so much fun. |bananna|

Rick, I've got a P90 that I like a lot. I couldn't find a good reason to spend the extra money on the Sig.

To the anti-gun folks, I get where you're coming from. There's some unsavory types and stupid ass people out there that have cast a dark shadow over the responsible, law abiding, gun toting rest of us. And you can make the arguement that guns serve no valid purpose, although I guess there's probably some cops and soldiers that would dissagree. So I understand the "I don't like em, so no one should have em" attitude.

But, can anyone think of anything else that enjoys a bad reputation with a large segment of the population, has a few "bad apples" spoiling it for the rest of us, serves no real, quantifiable purpose, and has a lot of people calling for it to be outlawed altogether because they believe that this "evil thing" itself leads to pain and suffering, and not the amoral asswipes that use it for their evil purposes.

No matter how you justify it..

Guns still suck!

|bananna|

DD

I'm not a fan of guns and I've never allowed them in my house. Even when I had some state troopers as close friends I still would not let them in wearing thier guns.

That is my right in my house but I never gave them grief about it as it was thier right outside of my house.

Some people are not fans of porn or think porn sucks. Lucky for us those people don't have the right to impose thier views on the rest of us.

I went to a gun safety class given by the NRA in Maryland. A few of us from work wanted to go skeet shooting so the old timers put us through the class so we could shoot at the course also owned by the NRA. The instructor repeated over and over again that if we spent enough time in the class room we would find all the answer. He even touched a couple of the posters on the wall that contained the answers to the questions. They made sure that even the most stupid person could pass the test. I also got paged and never managed to actually shoot. 1 dumb ass actually failed the test and the instructors had him take it again.

If you're using a gun safely then be proud of that. Why bother mentioning that you took a course and passed a safety test. Everyday we all see some pretty stupid people that took a driving class and passed a sfety test ;)

I love reading emotionally charged posts :)

OK OK...I'm a little late to this thread...

anyhow...I own a glock 40 cal....mini...model 27 I believe....

I also am licensed to carry it concealed....not that I do....(or do I?????!!:-)

anyhow....guns are dangerous....but so are crack smoking drivers....so it depends on how to protect the gun if you have one in your home or on your person...mine is in a safe right now in 3 pieces....so I wish any 5 year old the best of luck in figuring out the combo to the safe...then how to put it together......

In other words....its a safe gun...

XPorn

OK. No gun thread would be complete unless we fought over...

Politics+Religion and most importantly-

Who was better:

Kirk or Picard?

|escape|

Religion kills more people then anything else.

Picard is more sexy seeing as his head looks like a penis.

I have been looking to get a gun myself. Nothing fancy, just a shotgun for home protection. I live about 5 minutes from Remington Arms so, shotguns are cheap here. I would have never even thought of it while my children were small but, it is probably time.

I live in an area where anyone could break into my house and never be seen. And, we have animals in the woods about 200 feet away that could kill myself or my dogs easily.

I am as far from a Republican as I think you can get but I do believe in the right to bare arms. I actually thought of moving to Mexico when Bush was elected. Canada would be much closer but, it is Canada :)

Anyway, I don't think I could kill anything. I even hate setting mouse traps :) But, if you are going to break into my house, you better do it very soon.

Amen to that...:D

Picard's kind of a weiner, but that accent's pretty cool. Kirk scored with all the green chicks.

"Guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do."
- Family Guy

Kirk's cock should have fallen off years ago but it's kind of like sending Ron Jeremy into space. He's not a great actor, he wants to have sex with anything and for some reason or another we love him.

I never really wanted to do Kirk, but always wanted to sit on Picard's head. :D

Actually Worf was always sexy to me, I wonder if he has those ridges on his penis?

The Borg Queen seemed like she would be very kinky in bed.

T-Pol is yummy to look at and seems like she would be interesting to have sex with. :D

Data did say that he was fully functional in one of the episodes. LOL

Lol,
 

I feel stupid a little late of a reply too. I have a little 32, I have had it for about 3 years, and I was showing my neighbor the other day. My neighboor is all about playing with guns. So he was playing with it, and he cocked it, put the bullet in the chamber, and gave it back. I always considered myself respnsible with guns, until by a natural reaction, I fired it. Figuring I never leave the gun cocked and put it away, nor do I leave a bullet in the chamber, not realizing my neighbor did. Anyway I shot a hole in my bedroom window frame it went through it and richochet to the other side of the window and hit the cornerbead. Where it went from there I dont know, still havent found it. The fucked up thing is my cat flipped out it was ike two feet over his head, if he would have jumped he would have gotten it. Anyway lesson learned dont show your pistol off, lol. Also, the only reason I own a gun is I have been held up twice.

Re: Lol,
 

Sorry KristianF,

Thats not good gun safty, thats how people get shot. You really need to take your gun in and get it destroyed, or sell it to a gun dealer. You shouldn't even have one.

What if that bullet didn't richochet and went threw someones wall or window or striking a passer by.

Really take that gun and sell it thru legal means or get it destroyed before you end up shooting someone or shooting your dick off....

Yes we do have the right to BARE arms

I see how our "militia" has grown. If we were to take this Literally, our "militia" would be here, securing our free state.

as far as bearing arms goes...there have been a few things in our constitution or left out of our constitution that not everyone might agree with. I mean this is a country that had to have an amendment to give women and anyone other than white males the right to vote. AND a constitutional amendment giving those who live in Washington DC the right to vote. i mean WTF??
dc amendment


In my opinion, i have no issue if someone wants to own a gun, smoke crack, throw knives, build nukes, as long as it doesn't effect me.

But where i have an issue, just as i do with fundamentalist who pick out parts of their bible, koran, or whatever 'roadmap' they choose to follow and use those parts...Likewise there are some who embrace the portions they want to apply to them and ignor the ones they don't.

Example: it's ok to have a gun but we need to leave "under god" in the pledge of alligence.

To those who'd like to use Columbine as an example: Who is going to hold the school administration and the other students accountable as well? Did they not contribute to what happened just as much as those who pulled the trigger? Those boys were harassed daily by their peers, made fun of, laughed at, ignored, stripped of the dignity in their youth where it is so important to have self esteem, yet the administration stood by and did nothing to prevent the other students hurling words of hurt. While words cannot kill and quite frankly there is no justification for the act itself, words can leave life long wounds that follow us through out our lives.

Gosh, i didn't mean to get up on my soapbox..

|rasta|

The most rational truth is usually within the middle of all arguments.

my .02

I woulnd't mind if Sates required state run mandatory gun saftey courses taught by competent people.

I don't own a gun because gun laws in NY favor the bad guys.

Last I checked, criminals don't typically follow laws. They steal or buy guns by other means.

Here in NY, it's near impossible to get a concealed permit. However, I can walk in and pick up THIS

|jester|

Re: Re: Lol,
 

Yeah I switched guns I have a new one now,
Here is a little facial clip from one of my first shoots, lol
Tiffany

Jim, good call on getting a shotgun instead of a pistol for home protection. One stray shot trying to defend your home and family from a pistol and that round just might go through your walls and kill or injure your neighbor, while the pellets from a shotgun would be lucky to penetrate your walls and still have enough inertia to harm anyone.

Now, to the more important matter in this thread.... Starship captains!

Kirk and Picard is a moot point, really. Kirk lived during the time of a brash new "undiscovered" galaxy to explore while Picard's galaxy was kinder and gentler overall - so any comparison is apples and oranges.

Sisko - wow, I feel bad for him. How would you act if you're a Starship Captain and they stick you on a dilapidated Space Station on the border of Cardassian space?! I'd be hella pissed and have a real shitty attitude.

Janway - Ugh! One word: Twit!