OK here's my take...

Jay - those pages will give you some benefit, but I dont see them make any huge difference as they are just static pages with text, and alot of it is not relevant to your prime keywords and theme. They cant hurt though.. but.. the multiple broken links on your site can hurt.. :(

People forget that "quality" for some SE's is also measured by no tjust number of links and text etc.. but also the number of 404/403/302s the robot finds.

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Dynamic/changing/updated content is a big key - there is a reason I update my pages EVERY day!

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I would agree with Sebastian on the "too many links" argument.. but then this is also balanced against the "value" of your page.. Total value.. not PR value. A page seen as "highly valuable" by an/the SE will firstly get spidered more often, and also it's contained links will be percieved of greater value too.

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Forget PR!! it is a tiny guide now.. especially since Google's last PR update....

IMO - google has markedly DECREASED the "value" of PR and INCREASED the value of relevancy, textual content, etc. There was a time that there were only about 20-50 PR6 adult sites, now there are 100's, and alot of those are TGPs, that lack a lot of relevancy, and gain PR from thousnads of non-themed backward(incoming) links.

Now write that down!!! PR means Shit! As we have said before top SE rankings can be gained with little or no PR.. I have a #1 at Google for certain adult keywords for a site that has only just reached PR4 but it has been #1 for more than 6 months, at PR 3 and below. The structure and relevance of the page is right.. and the PR itself means shit! (have you written it done yet!)

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#1 Don't get caught up in single line throwaway ideas spouted by SE "gurus"

THINK about your page as you build it. Pick some prime keywords you want to target and build the "site" from there. Use those keywords in your title, Metas, body text, etc - but make it relevant... just repeating keywords for the hell of it never works.

#2 Don't copy other peoples stuff - use it for ideas.. but start with a clean slate.

#3 Links your "site" to other RELEVANT sites.

http://www.big-hairy-pussy.com/ linked to http://www.fat-teen-babes.com/ is NOT relevant.

http://www.big-hairy-pussy.com/ linked to http://www.fat-hairy-pussy.com/ IS relevant.

Listing it in LL hairy categories IS relevant.

Linking into the inside pages of http://www.big-hairy-pussy.com/ from other "hairy pussy" sites and pages IS relevant.

(the URLs used are not real sites - just examples)

#4 You cannot get every site you own into the top 10 at Google... It just aint gonna happen.! Build your pages right and SE traffic will come.

#5 Have a central point that is your SE entry page - Call it a hub.. Call it a LL, Call it what you like....

Use this site to list SOME of your sites so you can "introduce them" to the SE's and their robots.

DO NOT cover it in frickin sponsor links! This is a tool to get you into and ranked in the SE's Forget about making money directly from this site! Yes have some sponsor links? and yes you will/may make a dollar or two... but get in the mind set that it is NOT there to make money.!

DO NOT list >>> ALL <<<< your sites here!! Just list some... and link those to the ones that you do no list.


This is my opinion...!! Others will disagree.

#6 Forget mirrors and doorways.!!

Have ONE main entrance point for your site.

Put the goddamn recips on THAT page. - I see lots of people teaching newbies to "save it" for the SE's.... to bad they are saving it and giving it NO RELEVANCE whatsoever so it never gets ranked.

IMO Google likes recips:)
IMO Recips are relevant.:)

Link you internal pages together... NO not spam-ily... like a menu that is repeated on each page.. good for navigation for surfer, good for SE robots, good for relevance..

Title your pages to indicate what the pages are... be real be relevant!

main page - big hairy pusy main page

gallery page 1 - big hairy pussy picture gallery page
and/or
gallery page 2 - sexy babe with big hairy pussy

Use the time you would spend making mirrors.. making your site better and more relevant.

IMO - One quality well built site is worth 1000 times more than the same site with a 1000 doorways


Lastly..

- NONE of these are RULES
- Repeating the same shit over and over again is uesless
- Read between the lines.
- Go and read Sebastians stuff - http://www.niched-hubs.com/articles/
- Go and read Sebastians stuff again - http://www.niched-hubs.com/articles/
- Dont do spammy things - you will get caught or someone will report you
- Ask specific questions
- Be kind to your mother


(can someone move this to the SE board now;) )


DD

This is my opinion...!! Others will disagree.

Not in this lifetime....that is the best synopsis I've seen someone write that finally gets some of the "rumor" and BS out of the way, and at the same time would be perfect for the "newbie" trying to start with the SEs.

Good Answers DDave :)

I guess I'll go ahead and throw in my 2 cents:

"editorial pages" - Whatever you call them, new, text intensive keyword rich pages are very important. I have a site that was languishing around page 20 for a long time, even though I was getting new trades, adding text to existing pages, all the right stuff. I thought of a way to add new text rich pages, similar to what xxxjay is doing, and went to page one within 30 days. Coincidence? Could be. So I tried it on another domain with the same results. Now I make sure to add 2-3 new pages with lots of text and keywords every month.

"Page Rank" - I disagree with DD that it's total shit. Probably lukewarm stale piss though, and definitely overrated by most webmasters, at least right now. I think google has dampened the crap out of PR in the algo due to webmasters manipulating it for their evil, sinister purposes, but they haven't bailed on PR altogether, hence the Code Jam contest. http://www.google.com/codejam/

"Relevant Links" - I think DD is right on the money with this one. I recently had a debate with someone over whether this was something google placed emphasis on. He said
"No way, man. Google's not doing that. Even if they wanted to, there's now way they could."
Well of course they can. It's what they do every day. They figure out what a page is about and then do something or other with it. Now, I wouldn't refuse a link trade because the other guys page was off topic for mine. I just keep this in mind when linking my own sites or when I'm looking for new sites to trade with.

"Recip Link Text" - Another "right on the money" imo. Mix up the link text that you get other wm's to use when linking back to you. A thousand links pointing back to your site using identical link text probably will raise a flag with google.

"Optimizing Internal Page Rank" - I try to make sure that no page on my site is farther than 2 clicks away from any other page. I use an SSI file at the bottom of all my pages as a "site map".

"Be kind to your Mother" - Word.

SS

Wow, what a monster thread. Maybe we ought to get Greenguy to password protect it for newbies looking for all of the "secrets" - lol.

Dangerdave – That was a kick ass post, I can tell you put some time into it.

“About PR” – that was kind of the point I was trying to make PR isn’t king, it may sound cliché by now but “content is king” (hence my pages )– getting a billion links to your page doesn’t really matter unless you have you site structuring, internal linking, and on page stuff all in check.

“Too Many Links” – I agree with that 100% - I’ve been wanting to get my script modified to break the links cats into separate page once they go over a certain amount, plus Google can only actually read and index so many kilobytes of a page anyway.

“Doorways” – If I had my way I would have stopped fucking with them back in 1999 – a guy I was working for insisted that they were still the way to go. The only way you can get a doorway to generate any traffic at all is by trying to “fool” and linking them to other doorways, trading links like a normal page, and linking them to the main part of your site – which the effect become that they become part of your site and will just confuse the piss out of the surfers. I agree, you are best off concentrating you efforts in one your hub.

Sebastian and DD - Thanks for the info on the dead links. I've know for a while I needed to do something to clean them out. I'll have to make it more of a priority now. How are you guys checking that anyway? Homesite?

“Relevancy” – As Google moves more towards relevancy is only going to become more relevant, so keeping your shit relevant is more relevant than ever. Can you say redundant?

What would you guys say is the best off-the-shelf linklist software for creatng SE friendly link lists?

You would want software that can:

Create multiple category pages with say 75 freesite/gallery links on them, and autocreate with the pages navigation links to tie the pages together.

Rotate the sites alphabetically and/or randomly on the pages.

Perhaps allow you to assign a value to entries, so that entries from trusted webmasters or with better quality recips could be listed above lower ranked entries.

To attract SE-aware webmaster submitters, it should have:
A partner account function to reward trusted webmasters.

> What would you guys say is the best off-the-shelf linklist software for creating SE friendly link lists?
I didn't find such scripts so I wrote them myself.

> Rotate the sites alphabetically and/or randomly on the pages.
I don't really want that kind of (often/fast/randomly) rotating content. I prefer to rank and group the listings without overdone randomizing.

The rotation has no search engine value, except perhaps to make the pages look "new".

The purpose of the rotation is to attract a better class of partner site submitters. It's just a personal favorite issue of mine, I am far more interested in sites that give their listings a rotation, and would want to be able to provide that feature to submitter webmasters.

Bill - Link Admin by Richard from www.usefulscrtps.com is what I use and I love it.

Dallasdeb might wanna read this one - just dug it up from the vault:

http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/editorials/gums_cum.htm

Maybe it would explain why she got offended - lol.

What a great thread. :D

I have only one thing to say......

Content is King.

I have never used Richard's LinkAdmin - but know lots of people that swear by it.

For me - the king is Link SQL for a heavy duty job, and Links 2.0 for simple jobs. Both very modifiable/flexible and write straight html

DD

This thread has been so wonderful! so much to learn!!

Richard's LinkAdmin is a great script for whatever your main project is. It's on the pricey side and I've had trouble customizing it, but it's so good that you barely need to. If you are serious about running a linklist - it's the way to go.

I've been a big fan of LinkAdmin for a while, but I've heard that it is hard to modify, and hard and expensive to get modified.

I keep hoping to hear that an improved version is being released, or that getting mods for it has become easier, but thats not what I hear.

I also keep hoping to hear that a "next generation" link list software is coming out, with the features I'm looking for built in. But I haven't heard a whisper of new linklist software being written.

DD, Links 2.0/Link SQL is the gossamer scripts linklist, am I right?

Bill _ From what I've seeen that is true. I've had a couple guys try and fail.

If someone reading this thread has the skills or knows someone, please get a hold of me. I wan't to add a link checker and a user side search function.

How would you rate BLOG's as relevant content to add to a site?

I've added a BLOG to one of my sites where i pick a free site and feature it with a thumb and a poem and a link to the site...

EclectiXXX - There's a thread on this board about blgging - it was kind of what gave me the idea about the editorial content, although I haven't really had much oppertunity to access the value of blogging. I am interested in finding out more about it when I get time though.

Wow, can't believe I'm only seeing this thread now ;)

Since this thread has gone off topic, I'll nudge it a little more :)

Has anyone that's using Links 2.0 successfully modified it to rotate the gallery listings alphabetically. I was planning to try it, but I'm not very good at that stuff. If it's just not possible, it would be nice to know now. I did add the recip checker mod, but there were detailed instructions on the GT forum.

Richards script is hands down the best the others are either admin template driven and a major pain in the ass to use :(

I agree with MML. The only downside of Link Admin is I have never be able to midify it or find anyone that can. Apparently it's a bitch to do. I would like to have a link checker and all of that on it.

This has turned into one helluva info thread. Not sure how I missed it when it began, but I am glad I stumbled across it today!

Great info folks...thanks for sharing!

Maybe I should have thought of a more clever title for it, you know like:

*SHAVE CASH RIPPED ME OFF*

Then everybody would have looked at it.

I am thinking a birdie told me the next version will have some real cool whistles and bells :)

I can't wait. Keep me in the loop on that. A surfer side search function would be kick ass.