We're in the process of creating some free hosted sites for affiliates to use. On the topic of including title tags on the pages, is there a preference for either:

1. An overall title for the site, which appears as the title on each page of the site. Basically same title tag on each page.

--or--

2. Each page of the site has a title tag but each title tag is different depending on the content of the actual page.

I'm trying to find out if there is any advantage to doing it one way over the other before we start producing the free sites.

Thanks in advance for any feedback you can offer.

Simon

Free Sites have titles, which is what Link List owners use as the text to link to the sites. When I'm building them, sometimes I carry the site title thru on all the pages & sometimes I don't - but as long as the 1st page has one, most of us will be very happy :)

The fact that you used title 'tag' caught my eye. We're not asking you to use just the title meta tag. We want to see the site's unique title on at least the warning page and the title should never be the same as the paysite it is promoting. ;)

Hey guys, appears this is my first post...... so...... my name is Dario and basicly I joined up for this thread :)

I've been working with Medium Pimpin over the past week or so to get some HFS up for the affiliates.

I've got a sample link here and I'd appreciate some feedback.
http://tgp.glamourmodelsgonebad.com/hfs//jana_cova

What's good? What's bad? What's missing?

They're ready to go so if you want to help us test them out already hit me up on ICQ 3652156.

Oh btw, this was a most informative thread, great work Linkster!

Peace :)

Oh uh yeah, the gallery template ain't exactly done ... it obviously needs some more ads. Pointers welcome :)

I agree after seeing and reading this thread I was very impressed with the amount of knowledge to be found here at GaJ. I hope to get over here more often and meet new ppl and talk to all of you I've already met :D

~Lyn

Not to get too far off-topic, but you might want to consider that for some niches a true fan won't care that the content has no nudity. I know that when I'm shopping for bondage content I usually don't notice if the model doesn't get nude.

natkejs - that looks fine to me (except for the ads on the galleries, of course)

Natkejs, glad to see you are adding HFS.. looking forward to getting them up on my linklist and hubs!

Wow, I read Linkster's article on Klixxx today before I saw it in here. Turns out it was posted over here a month ago when I was on vacation. Glad you guys brought it back up. Excellent stuff Linkster! |headbang|

Geez - and here I didnt even see it over there :) Gotta pay more attention to my reading LOL.

I just hope that it gives some sponsors something to think about, as it sure is a great revenue builder for very little investment - and has benefits for everyone in the mix from LL owners, Sponsors and even the submitters that run their own little hubs and landing pages/fake LLs.

Great thread, Linkster! I sent you a pm with questions if you have a minute. Thanks :)

One of the first changes I insisted on when i started working for our program is that we started to add a number of hosted freesites in our program. I can see the value of getting behind the idea and making it at the very least equal to the efforts we are putting in with out hosted Galleries. Now for every 2 galleries built there is automatically 1 freesite added as well.
ooops, I told to much LOL

That's EXACTLY how it should be done - for every 2 Hosted Galleries a sponsor has, that's one Free Site waiting in the wings :)

We were talking about the "exactly the same only different" thing here this morning. We're going at it from the other direction, and starting with FHS instead of galleries. And with a little planning, every new free hosted site design can kick out at least a couple of new galleries.

Simon
:::kicking self for waiting so long:::

Simon - that's the way I'd do it as well - my comment was sorta directed at sponsors that already have Hosted Galleries :)

Either approach is fine, just so long as you gap some of this quality traffic. I started out using Jim's approach, then I went to Simon's and now what we do is select 24 to 30 images from a set, build the free site using 20 to 24 of the images (we always try to state with 20 but can not always lay it out with that few), then we take gallery 1 of the HFS and modify it for the TGP gallery. Thus, we have 256's HFS and 256 FHG's. We have found that by letting the HFS drive the FHG that you can keep both looking fresh since you do not have to develop your HFS theme around a damn gallery template.

One thing that sponsors fail on in the HFS world and it is almost as important to link list owners as the quality of the HFS, has only been mentioned one time in all the HFS discussions on the board. In this thread http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=10097 , Boogie made this comment
The point is in order to be successful with HFS's, sponsors have to commit to putting HFS's out on a regular basis. I would say at least one per week for each site, but never more that one per day per site. As for as consistency in producing hosted free promos, I think Extreme Paychecks has nailed it.

Phoenix posted his official announcement over here for all you Adult Paymaster HFS lovers :D

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=17224

GG- I still don't think that covers it.
I can get Miles of gallery links in txt format..
but I haven't found one that has
SiteName|URL|Description format, available in txt format easy to import.
It's the sponsors site - let them write the title and descrip.
Why do you or I, or one of your underpaid employees :), need to spend hours doing it?

Give me a few more minutes (about 30) and I will have it done for you. I will post you the link it you don't have it.

Apart from OC Cash you mean? :D

I like writing my own descriptions - make them look more like normal sites as opposed to sponsor hosted ones. Most of the descriptions that I see for any hosted stuff is bad in my opinion, mostly because it's stuff I'd never say or use.

Thumbler -
Since some still may not have a clue.
And as far as the OC sites, still hosting my own until the NATS thing gets figured out.


http://www.lightspeedcash.com/fhg.php?Idontspam
http://www.lightspeedcash.com/fhg.php?Idontspam
http://www.lightspeedcash.com/fhg.php?Idontspam


Here's a sample of some txt files... this one site text file is 115 lines...

I don't see any Pipes here. ie, Site name, Title, description.

Guessing Chop may have an actual working promo in a bit.

Fair enough :)
For Marks, I'd rewrite too, but to fill out other domains, I'd rather dump.

Good point! :D

I am bad, Dareutwo. In my rush to whore, I miss-read your questions. I thought your were talking about the Adult Paymaster's HFS. Thanks for not slapping me, Greenguy. However, Dare, if it is HFS that you want to dump, then there is a solution.

thanks for this thread. we are actually about to create our first 10 free hosted sites this week, and i've already added this thread to my "TO DO" list to re-read it again before we start :)

My LL has a "report bad link" on each listing.

Against my better judgement I added in some HFS that had more then one Enter link on the first page.

I can tell you by my mailbox full of reported bad links that surfers really dislike having a misleading Enter links on sites.

Please make sure you read thru this thread as well :)

I'm bumping this thread because it's obvious that many sponsors who are providing HFSs haven't read it yet. I signed up to an -anonymous- sponsor last night for the sole purpose of listing their free sites. I went to grab the HFS links this morning and a quick scan of their free sites made me say "fuck them" out loud. Some of the sites I checked were okay, but I'm not going to filter through a moutain of shit to find one piece of tasty corn.

Amongst the errors:
*No title on the pages. In the title bar, yes - but not on the page itself.
*Single word titles that are nothing more than a girl's name.
*Exit link to WarningPages.com. (There have been numberous complaints about WarningPages blocking the surfer's back button. Plus, if I'm not making money on the link - it shouldn't be there. Exit to Google to you greedy bastards. :D My greed outweighs yours.)
*Pages with horizontal scroll.
*Galleries opening in new window.

And don't get me started about the ones that refer to a braces-wearing teen as a "dirty |ittle gir|". That's a whole other topic.

UW - thanks - as I was just going through this thread yesterday after recommending it someone :)

Ive noticed a really bad trend developing with a few sponsors - in their haste to have lots of hosted free sites and provide them on a regular basis (which I think is really great) - they have turned the work of building these sites over to unsupervised outsourced labor. Then without even looking at the product they are posting the HFS's for their affiliate WMs to use.
I have one company that stands out in that they have used the exact same template for over 30 HFS's for each of their paysites - as well as providing content to the builders that has nothing to do with the paysite niche - how do you sell handjobs to a surfer by having two different models pose and rub their own pussy - it doesnt make any sense - especially when there is no text to lead the surfer to think they might even "possibly" see these same models on the site giving a handjob.
This is just a small example of how sponsors waste money on outsourcing and waste the affiliates time with junk

The worst part of all of this is that I informed this same sponsor three times through their affiliate manager that I would no longer list their HFS's unless they started taking an interest in their promo tools - but I got an email this morning with 10 more HFS's - same templates, same junk content and same non-selling shit
Guess I need some new sponsors :)

I'd love to know what company is selling these pieces of shit to programs like Dee Cash & Join Right Now & the 1st batch of Rage Cash HFS's and a couple others that I just have on "ignore" when they release them.

I've pointed a lot of programs to this thread as well as this one:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=30075
but I think what we need to do is find the people that are building these horrendous piles of crap & bash them in public a bit so that they change the way they make HFS's & stop ripping of the companies that think they are doing a good thing by providing webmasters with useless HFS.

I'm in total agreement with the last 3 posts in this thread. I waste too much time picking through hosted stuff that I list then a few months later some of them 302 to something I didn't list. Of the hundreds I have listed over the years there are probably only a few dozen left.

Sponsors either need to do it right or don't try. If the title is pussy licking lesbians and one gallery has that content and the next is some gal giving a handjob how does one list it? This one doesn't.

Greenie - actually you hit the name of the company I was talking about in your post - and its a shame because although Im not a "whale" I do make some good consistent money with the program - although if they took the time to really get some good HFS's Im sure that amount I make would triple - as well as you and some others I know would be more likely to really push them - Deecash - are you listening??? Its just a shame those outsourcing companies are affecting their bottom line so much

My numbers different from your statement. On HFS Links, I have over 8,500 hfs listed. Thru 03/06/06, when HFSLinks.com was one year old, my bot had reported the following number of errors.

Code: 301 - 39
Code: 302 - 77
Code: 403 - 34
Code: 404 - 58
Code: 503 - 2

As you well know, a bot is not perfect. Many of those 301's and 302's were good links.

As we discussed in OTB two weeks ago, sponsors' hfs' should be treated as a submitted site. They should be reviewed and if the sponsor is a cheat then they should be blacklisted.

In my opinion, less than 2% going bad in a year is not a bad record for sponsors offering hfs'.

Now, this is a problem. I did not invent the process of taking two fhg and building a free site of them, Since I started doing "fillers" several sponsors have began doing it. Maybe they should have read this. They tend to forget to theme the hfs.

Chop - I see no problem whatsoever with using two of the hosted galleries for making free sites - however as you say they really need to be on theme and similar - heck most of the real sucessful free site submitters (not hosted) that I know of have been using their own two tgp galleries and putting a main and warning page on them for as long as I can remember - time saver.

As far as hosted free sites going down/redirecting etc - I can definitely think of one sponsor that is famous for doing this on a regular basis - I used to catch them by doing two bot runs daily - just to identify what was going on - and these days even though they had many hundreds of HFS's I only have a few left listed for them. I also know of one sponsor that used to rotate(Im not sure if they still do as I dropped pushing them) the internal pages - you wouldnt catch it on a standard bot run because everything seemed hunky-dorey to the bot :)

As I said I have deleted thousands for changing their content and for going 404. I'm not going to argue who is right or wrong and what numbers are correct. I know which sponsors have cheated in the past and I don't use them.

I have nothing more to say than for each webmasters to keep an eye on all his hosted stuff just like his submitted stuff.

I understand. As you know I do not list all published hfs' as some are just 'pieces of shit' and if I discover a sponsor cheating with his hfs' I would take him down.

No one seems to have a problem outting bad submitters. Perhaps it is time to start sharing information about sponsor hosted free sites in public. GG and I have talked about a rating system but each batch of releases would have to be rated as you never know who they were out sourced. For a free service, a rating system would be subjective and time consuming.

I was not trying to start an arguement. If so I would have said: "Generalizations are not worth a damn, including this one." Churchhill, I think. :D

You can now add Pimp Profits to the list of programs that I've pointed to this & the other thread. Hopefully they'll read it & change around their HFS process (and get rid of the random content - just typing that gives me the douche chills)

I hope more sponsors will start making good movie hosted free sites. Checking HFSLinks.com, it looks like there are less than 1,000 HFS with movie content.