nope didnt say its YOU....just thinking who between those guys he was chatting to before he thinks the hacker. And "i think it was you he was referring to" bcoz u guys came up with the stats that nobody ever noticed before.

Well, next time your referring to what someone else said, it might be better to say "he thinks....." instead of "i think....."

yes he did say he was updating something at that time but he was paranoid that somebody's trying to hacked his board thats why he was watching all members activity.

Ok. Just trying to think which one he is referring to among you guys.

Haha this is the craziest thing i ever heard. thebutcher needs a lesson of humanity...he owe people money and he should pay for it! dont use the charity for contest if he's not going to give them the money he promise to give them and a lot of other things that im sure others notice too.

I said my piece and RIP to him.

DAVID, THE CREEP i will forever hate you and all this bad things that you are doing to others will come back to hunt you forever until your last breath.

GOODBYE.

Have to start by saying thanks for having me here. And I want to address some of the specific questions raised here so we can all live together and get the misunderstandings out the way.

#1 I have never posted here under false nicks.
#2. I am not keke, angelmaries, "L" "B" nor anyone else.
#3. I'm not here to pick a fight or argue, I am only here to make things better for all of us by replying to some of the stories posted in this thread.
#4. I have never said to anyone that GG or Jim hacked my sevrer. If I knew that info about who attemted I wouldn't be pm'ing others, I'd be calling the local cops staion. Hacking is not a joke and a very serious crime.

Hope we can get thru this thread as mature adults and resolve things on a friendly basis and get over any problems. Some people are not going to like my replies, because I will tell the truth as I see it.

Next, Keke is a liar and has a very wild imagination, she should be a story writter in Hollywood.

The story about me pretending and scamming people to collect money that was posted here about Sarah's unfortunate loss when Mark died is totally false, a lie, wrong and I can't understand where she came up with it. It's just one more of her little poetry exercises.

I don't owe people money.

I tried to paypal one guy on dec 28th, his paypal id not accept it, I posted about this, he was away for I think 10 days over xmass, when he came back he said send me a check.

Angelmaries and 2 mods were withheld their payments while I was investigating who is leaking out information from our moderators forum. If you notice there aren't too many people claiming any money is owed. For a fact I did pay the 1 other mod last night after discovereing who the rotten apple is, and the other mod was offline and is being taken care of today.

Angelmaries will se a big fat ZERO from me for her efforts working behind my back, making false statements, pm-ing my members to leave the board, and other things not neccessary to be mentioned.

The charity thing, that was sent long ago.

Lets carry on

Have at it and say whatever you want to. We do not delete threads or ban members because we disagree with things said.

Angelmaries posts on other boards as keke and she claims keke is not her, then her husband, then her, whatever.

I originally icqed her, pm'ed her and asked in our mod forum if she knew a "keke" she played dumb. I caught her from the sig swap button and an email she sent out recruiting members to my board, netpond and JBM. When I went public on my board, I still gave her the chance to come out say it was a mistake, her refussal to do so made me come out say it on my board in general chat. As I said at the outset, I will answer all questions truthfully, and sme people won't be too pleased.

We were having leaks out of the mod forum for a long time, and I suspected it was one of 3 people, thats why thousands got paid for the 1st 2 months but not the 3 I suspected. I had to know who was working against me and the board.

The 7000+ Member Issue

1 - When you register for your board, you are forced to put in your birthday before you can do anything else:
http://www.sponsorchat.com/register.php?
Yet when your calendar was online, there were nowhere near 7000 birthdays listed. Can you explain how 95% of your members do not have birthdays when it's required to put on in when you register?

2 - A month ago, when you had 7000 members, you stated that the site was 2 months old. At that rate, you'd be getting 116 or so new members each day. Yet after Jim & I signed up, it was 40 hours until another new member registered.

3 - Everyone can see that your member list is down to 4000. You told me on ICQ that you deleted every member that hadn't posted in the last 75 days. Assuming that you've been open for 3 months now, which is 90 days, that means you had 3000 people register in the 1st 15 days & none of them have posted since?

4 - Back before you disabled some of the board functions in the admin, there was a day when there were 3438 active users on the board - 130 of them were viewing threads. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that 3300+ people were sitting there staring at the index page?

These are the questions that I'd like answered 1st :)

And I appreciate that. I want to answer the allegations as honestly as I can.

And yes I may have jumped the gun when I did that. But life is a learning experience and always willing to learn and make things right.

I will let you answer Greenies questions but, something I don't understand. We have a separate forum for moderators only, of course. But, there is nothing that they could leak that would piss me off. What exactly could she have leaked?

And, if I owed one of our moderators money, there would be nothing they could do to stop me from paying them. When someone does work, you pay them and being a backstabber should be separate from that. Money earned is money earned. You always pay what you owe.

GreenGuy, I deleted all non-posting members (3000) or so, all cookies are at 5 minutes now. The questions about hy memberlist and search are disabled are for the following reason. I have been told (right or wrong) that the fastest way to crash the server is to hit serach.php and or memberlist.php, so to eliminate the possibility of another hack attempt I took them down. I am always enouraging memebrs to fill in their profile and sig, I can't force anyone to do anything they don't wish to do.

I can tell you with 100% confidence, I have 2 usernames on my board

TheButcher and TheButcher(laptop).

There is this whole discussion about are the members real, yes they are. The bit about why post counts don't update immediatley, no idea have sent emails and posted on the vb site to see why it takes a few mins to update. The suggestions that the script has been manipulated or altered to reflect higher counts is not true. I have not paid, asked, changed any function in the script to show hgher post counts or more members.

Every fight on other boards gets us guests, I don't want fights but we get attention. Members read but don't log in, and we have more search engine spiders on our board than flies on shit.

I have to go into a meeting, I'll be back in an hour or hr and a half. I'd love to work thru any misunderstandings that there are and start out on a clean slate as co-operating webmasters not argumentative enemies.

thank you

Welcome to Greenguy and Jim, TheButcher :)

I have two questions.

1) Did you adopt the name "TheButcher" as a knock at Meat from Netpond because he banned you for poaching Netponders to your board via PMs?
2) Did you ever manage to get your Internext pictures resized and online?

I am rather appalled by this thread and the immaturity of certain individuals.

I can honestly say that business is business whether it be adult websites or a corner grocery store.

The one golden rule in business (any business and even life in general) is not to burn bridges, as you never know when you might need to cross the river again.

It really is unfortunate that individuals feel they should cheat and screw people in order to get somewhere.

Even if it takes longer to reach some success, you will gain more respect from people if you go about it ethically.

I am a newbie and no one really knows me from a hole in the ground, but having another newbie piss off everybody does not benefit anyone especially us newbies.

fuckin sad

Well said.

Things that make ya go hmmm.


(sometimes I tend to think out loud)

Here's thebutchers payment timeline :

November 6, 2004 - he paypal me $20 and $30, one for referrals and the other wrong payment for banner but he told me to keep it as advanced payment for moderating which is he offered $200 per month and i agreed. Its an echeck from webmaster@northfieldventures.com after almost 2 weeks of waiting the echeck didnt clear.

November 16, 2004 - he said he'll send me a check instead but same thing happened no check show up in my mailbox.

So now theres november and december payment that he needs to pay me.

He paypal echecks again which after more than 2 weeks cleared BUT according to paypal he reversed it again. The money was reversed by thebutcher for the reason he only knows.

BEFORE he went to the internext. He said he will send me MY money via western union, he send nothing!!!! Then he told me again he sent a check (for the 3 mods) 3 weeks ago but where is the check?

He is really getting pissed that i am reminding him of MY money for 3 months now and that $1000 for charity/red cross (this contest ends thanksgiving 2004) that he said he sent but didnt get to the destination.

You can call me whatever word you want but it still come to the fact that you owe me money and you dont have any intention of paying me and the other mods except now that this thing happens and im glad you WILL pay them or my coming out will not make sense.

you delete post/thread when a member asked when they will get paid.

you said that i worked for "them" since day 1 and leaked the information. Now you can ask them if i do! But now im talking this might not be in the mod forum but this is what i know since day 1.

you are so sneaky, you know im going out & thats the time you posted keke is me and then you told me to "go" have time with my husband then you deleted my account.

i dont know if other board will do such stupid things.

by the way, im glad im out of your board :) you can have as many nicks as you want and win as many contests as you want. For me you are history and RIP to you.

Nope, on both counts

Since you are answering questions here - I frequent many domain boards, and in the past have seen you post a few messages about domains you have bought, and the number of domains you own as a hobby ( I believe the last number I read that you posted was 3200 domains)
First off - why would you register domains like gfyer.com and menniche.com unless you are planning on obtaining traffic by spoofing/scraping/scamming?

Second - if you say you have 3200 domains, yet some posts I saw on php and hack boards you claim to have just gotten into the internet business this fall (which does coincide with everything Ive seen you post under other nicknames on other boards) how are you going to afford the renewals if you cant afford to pay for posting anymore?

For that matter - based on what Ive read on your views on domain disputes and trademark issues on the domain boards in the last three months, I would make a recommendation that you talk to a legal adviser if you really have that many domains as it sounds like you have already set yourself up for a few lawsuits.

I do own some number close to that, I buy domains all day long and have people work for me who register domains, I don't have a complete list of them, I trust my employees to make purchases for me. None of my domains redirect anywhere nor do they have an index page. I either park them at the various registrars or on my servers.

Hope that helps

Another thing, I have no doamins registered to any address in France, there seems to be some confussion about people who were on IP's I have my chatboard on that used to have domains registered to in some address in france. When I was made aware of the fact I made sure that my techs or hosts blocked all domains that were still pointed to those IP's.

I do not allow any illegal chat on my board nor do I do anything that is not 100% above the law. So that should explain this confussion of domains that are not mine.

Where are you based?

keke the fact that you first didn't know who keke was, then it was your husbands nick, I have been investigating you and your actions for a long time. And I do not support, help or pay for double crossing back stabbing individuals on my payroll.

That's the problem - you DO force them to put in their birthdays, yet around 95% of the members do not have birthdays on your calendar.


That's all fine & dandy, but when you showed 3438 members & guest online & only 130 of them are reading thread a thread & the other 3300 are viewing the board's index page, something is wrong.

We get hit with SE spiders all the time & oddly enough, the spiders do what spiders are meant to do - they go thru the entire site & spider it. They do not stop on the index page & just sit there.

Go take a look are ours:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/online.php - Currently Active Users: 250 (116 members and 134 guests)
What are most, if not all, of those "guests" doing? I think I counted 6 or 7 that are "Viewing Index" The rest are "Viewing Thread" or "Searching Forums" or 'Viewing User Profile" or whatever. Some are legit people, some are spiders.

What I can't figure out is why about 95% of your guests are looking at your index when only 5% are looking at ours.

...and....

I don't think you answered either of these questions:

I have answered everything as honestly and truthfully as I can, I really don't want to start repeating myself or arguing for the sake of arguing. I came here, I appreciate being allowed to reply. I hope what I said can be taken at face value and not "spinned." I have tried to fix any misunderstandings that may have been. I invite you GreenGuy and Jim back to my board. I hold no ill intents or wishes towards anyone here especially you two old time webmasters. I hope you can all keep an open mnd and try work as professionals, which I know you are.

Are we competition? absolutely, are we enemies or need to "spin" things absolutely not. Can we co-exist in peace and harmony? absolutely. Are we the only 2 boards, no.

I'm doing my best to make positive gestures in all fairness and have a cordial working relationship.

Am I arrogant? absolutely not, I made this initiative with your permission to get all misconceptions out of the way.

Do I believe, appreciate or agree with angelmaries/keke et al? absolutely not. She in my book is a distressed confussed individual witha very wild and active imagination. I suggested she goes to Hollywood. She might do well as a story writter. Maybe as a floor sweeper at McDonalds at Universal studios.

But to everyone else here who can see thru the crap she has said and made up, I want to live in peace and prosper together.

Thank you GreenGuy and Jim for allowing this venue, thankyou to all who have spent the time to read it.

I just want to see the pics

I dont think I asked anything about domains in France?
I was specifically interested in:
http://www.whois.sc/gfyer.com
and
http://www.whois.sc/menniche.com
Which are registered to your company in London - Northfield Ventures LTD
and on your Oxeo server - as well as the other 20 domains that you have boasted about buying recently on your own board and Namepros board

You never answered a single direct question...

Yep, this went exactly as I thought it would

He is a bare faced scammer.

There are threads in detail on Oprano concerning him.

Can you please show me where you answered or clarified any of my questions?

What did you guys expect, some magicial explation ???

I thought I did, what question is unanswered GreenGuy I'll answer it. I came here to clarify things. I won't get into a pissing match or name calling match out of respect for this board, myself and intelligent people reading here.

Tommy!!!

You old bastard!! How are ya? :)

Hey it was worth a try ,hope you don't mind ,GG and Jim , I linked to you here so if anyone on Oprano wants to see how the question and answer session went here , they can.

He is a scammer , he claims to be in LA but he is in Canada.

I can't wait to bring the hammer down on this guy.

Gotcha, you told us in the old mod folder that you already deleted the content that paypal reversed the payment and you dont know why, paypal record shows that you reversed it. I PM members that i know and discuss something not related to your board and why isnt that allowed. YOU ARE A BIG LIAR!

I have a questions of my own.

Why do you delete the thread when the guys here questioning you about the stats of your board? And PM us if we believe the accusation about you.

Did you pick me as the winner for the $1000 charity contest bcoz you thought i will just stay quiet about it you not sending it to red cross and will say whatever you want me to tell the other members? You PM me to just tell them that i send it to Red Cross even if i havent decided to whom i will give it too. The winner is supposed to choose the charity he/she wants to give it to. Where did you send it? How come they havent gotten it up to now? According to you, you mailed it regular mail last november, I dont think the mail is that slow, you send it november and its now february.

When theres a referral contest we cant view our profile and cant see our ref stats, was it bcoz you already decided who will win? and how come the 3 winners of ipod didnt post that they got the ipod?

What about the random winners of 5 ipods? the winners didnt post they got that either.

Whatever happen to the best picture contest? Theres this guy who posted a pic of tits with sponsorchat and you said you'll send him $100 via paypal then you banned the guy.

You still remember the logo/banner contest for $100, you saw what you like and decided the contest is over. did you ever pay the guy or think about what will the others feel?

Did you pick Teedy (one of the mod) as the winner of the last post for 2004 for $100? Somebody contested that but you didnt say anything.

You keep promising those winners of $5 for every post contest that they will get paid but you keep moving it to another date.

Why do you delete threads started by members who asked when they will get paid?

Why do you keep resetting the post count?

Did you own a board before sponsorchat, closed it and not paying your members?

You freaked out and started a thread about me having 2 username on your board but when i told you that i asked your permission before my husband joined, you deleted the board and didnt even asked for my apology for being paranoid.

You can explain yourself all you want but people wont believe you anymore. I have all the copies of your PM and email to me including that one that you used another nickname you used in your board. I also saved the content of the old mod folder since i knew this time would come.

Here's the questions I posted once again.

If you want me to ask them one at a time, let me know :)

*******

That's the problem - you DO force them to put in their birthdays, yet around 95% of the members do not have birthdays on your calendar.


That's all fine & dandy, but when you showed 3438 members & guest online & only 130 of them are reading thread a thread & the other 3300 are viewing the board's index page, something is wrong.

We get hit with SE spiders all the time & oddly enough, the spiders do what spiders are meant to do - they go thru the entire site & spider it. They do not stop on the index page & just sit there.

Go take a look are ours:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/online.php - Currently Active Users: 250 (116 members and 134 guests)
What are most, if not all, of those "guests" doing? I think I counted 6 or 7 that are "Viewing Index" The rest are "Viewing Thread" or "Searching Forums" or 'Viewing User Profile" or whatever. Some are legit people, some are spiders.

What I can't figure out is why about 95% of your guests are looking at your index when only 5% are looking at ours.

...and....

I don't think you answered either of these questions:
*****

Also, do you want to be on the Radio Show tonight?

thats to funny



I am fine Nick, Thank you for asking.
I hope everything is good with you