IMO sigwhores have been around since YNOT... difference is the good ones back then enjoyed a good success rate while the ones today folks generally just find annoying.

People in general resist change, just because we make our living from this new communication vehicle doesn't mean we are immune to this. Upgrades, patches... few look forward to those potentially hairpulling delights. Over the years have seen gripes about SEO changes, consoles, TGPs, email spam and more; yet all of those things are still with us dispite being unpopular with some people.

The sigwhore issue shares a commonality with those things above; someone is making money off it. When value of the return outweighs the cost will see a change because quest for the dollar seems to cancel out that natural resistance to change quite well.

naaaa wasnt him I was referring to :)

I thought that vbulletin mod where the sig is only shown once on the page was an AWESOME idea

no offence but theres not much logic to your case

I think the idea here - and why we all agree this board is best for business - is that there is not mad activity from soem guy posting 10 ' would you hit it threads' - if we want to see 'activity' as you call it we will head on over to gfy and join in the crap

old chinese proverb
" i take 10 se hits over 100 tgp hits every day"


my extrapolation of this proverb

" i like read 10 good post not 100 shit post"

|peace|

My personal feeling about sig whores is that they need to find something constructive to do. Okay sure, some of them get paid, but overall I'd say that's probably not the case.

I know Greenie and a few others from way back and assume they know I'm not a newb, but if anyone else does... oh well. Post counts be damned! :)

I've been around this biz long enough to know that I can find better uses for my limited time than posting when I don't have an absolute need to do so, and I'm very selective about the threads I respond to. I'm a single mom working a full-time day job and raising a 16-year-old in addition to slinging porn... I barely have time to read the board a couple of times a week, let alone post a bunch of times about things that have nothing to do with me or my business.

I don't read other boards anymore. I can get everything I need, both business and entertainment, right here... and I don't have to deal with all the annoying BS in the process, which makes me a very happy wench indeed |pink

OMG - is that THE Wenchy???

How the hell are you? What have you been up to?

You know, I love the way this board brings out so many people that we haven't seen around in years. It's like old home week around here all the time!

Glad to see you posting here Wenchy - you've been missed!

|waves|

surfing with sigs off makes life a lot easier!

cheers,
Luke

chilihost - so it'd be ok with you if I removed your sig file? |couch|

:D

I keep reading the new posts on this thread simply hoping that at least one of you would have posted with just 'see sig'.

Sigs are a wonderful place for small, controlled advertising, as it is done here, as well as exposing one's personality. Sigs are a good thing, but the people who post only to expose their sig to a few more eyes are a menace to the community. You know the saying, "If you can't be good, be funny. If you can't be good or funny, make sure you have a big cock"? Sig whores aren't good or funny and they have unusually small penises.

sig placement. :)

sig magician. :D

my sig exposes my personality perfectly.....









|yawn|

All you sigs' Kung Fu is not strong. Bow to my greatness!
|samauri|

I'm convinced. I changed my sig to whore mode.

the Sig whore shit used to drive me nutso espceially the sig proggies like sigswap etc who are leeches on every board there is.

To combat the sigswap programs and sponsors who refuse to advertise on message boards and run scammy fucking sig shit to get around advertising we just made a compeition

Every person that runs our sponsors sigs is elgible to win a piece of about a thosuand bucks each month, so allthough we couldnt beat the sigwhores we now have about 150 of our own signwhores that run our board sponsors sigs exclusively.

I guess if you can't beat them (like we did) you can join them (like Meat did)

:D

LOLOL

sigs make the board colourful and pretty:) and in our case gives significant additional value to our sponsors:)

|bananna| |bananna| |bananna|


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Agree with you, and just one thing, a sig whores must be and a post whores. Everyone else even they have a big sig are not a sig whore.

Sigwhores are a means of marketing for many sponsors.

Without sigwhores, some sponsors wouldn't be in existance, because some sponsors simply did not have the marketing capital necessary for a full-blown marketing campaign.

It's the ones you don't pick as sig whores who generate the most money I bet. 1 person who posts here occassionally told me they were getting 600/mth for their sig spot at one stage... and I would have never picked their posts as "whoring"

And to put this in perspective Jim... it's This Board that's weird!! Most boards treat sig space as a posters right.. and would prefer anything to a lack of posts! :D

In the long run for a board owner, sig whores lower the overall REAL value of advertising, as the sheer number of banners and link offs per page takes away chances for people to click the paid ads. That an individual with a posting bot (or no life) can run up 50,000 or more posts in a year is telling.

GFY as a board has left hundreds of thousands of dollars of revenue on the table by not better controlling the sigs. I think that the advertisers likely get a much poorer return on money as a result. The whole sigwhore industry basically has created the job title "post whore", most programs have at least one (and maybe more) people who's only job it is to cruise around the boards and get that sig up there, showing the flag as often as possible. 8 hours a day of "that sounds like a good idea, you might like our program too". I am sure that many programs find that paying a real person to do this is cheaper than paying for advertising on some of the more expensive (and less focused) boards.

Another factor on this board is that non-business chatting is limited to one area, and as such, doesn't get the sheer number of views that it might get on a single section board. Sig whores will find it very unprofitable to spend much time around here. Only people who come in with the desire to chat, add to the dicussions, and chat about their products are able to get the exposure. I won't mention names, but those people who do it well are not only selling to us, but have become part of the local landscape.

Pure sigwhores, the nobodies selling their sigline to the highest bidders are the static of chatboards... all noise, no signal.

Alex

Very well put...Sigs are another form of marketing and ad banners but only paid to inviduals rather than the board owner(s). Thats why there are so many problems with the boards owner(s), mods, etc..and posters.

I don't think the board owners have a big problem with other people making some money off of sigs. If that was the case they'd disable them or add their own custom sig at the end of each message you or I post. They realize its a slight incentive for the board users to post more which in turn attracts them more sponsors. It's only when some asshat decides they are going to post useless shit does it become a pain in the ass and devalues the board for everyone.

While that may be true, in all honestly, what the fuck do I care about non board sponsors?

You have to look at it another way - Sig Whores, for the most part, contribute NOTHING to the board. So, in essence, they make money for free.

Legit posters that ask & answer questions & are here to help & contribute the community are sort of rewarded for their posts by whatever money they make off their sigs.

Believe me when I say, if something works out to where money is not that big of an issue, I'd fucking LOVE to have a board with no ads & no sigs :D

Just webmasters helping webmasters, instead of money driving both sides of the board.

OK - here's where I get into trouble. :)

I'm a high count poster on a couple of other boards, and I treat my sig as just another resource. It's the same as adding a webmaster link to a portal. Despite my high post counts, I don't think of myself as a sig whore - I'm more of a loose mouth and a nosey bastard.

I'm just starting to rethink my sig policy. What do you think of my new "Big Sig"? I registered the domain www.BigSig.com to provide tips and handy links for webmasters, as well as promoting some revenue earning sites.

Hopefully it's within the rules, but if GG&J don't like it, I'm happy to switch back to text lines.

I have no problem with people that make money from their sigs as long as they do contribute to the discussion. Here, a quick example of what I consider a sig whore. I have removed the names to protect the guilty. And, the service I am getting this from truncates posts. But, even truncated, this posters posts, fit :) The first line is the thread title, the second is the response.

This is just a small sampling

I just redesigned my buddies content site! What u think?
looks good I like this design
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 6:37 pm




$$$ The MOB Now Offers...Pay Per Sign-up AND Recurring Combined !!! $$$
good news
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 6:36 pm




Just opened new site, opinions?
Loooks great
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 6:34 pm




OCCASH terrible ratio
it is shit :/
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 6:34 pm




Looks like I need a new web hosting firm
Check out oxeo.com
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 6:32 pm




some people don't realise they are being taped (vid)
lol so stupid
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 6:31 pm




It's Official! IwantU.com is offering $2.50 flat on all free signups, NO RATIOS !!!!
wow very nice
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 6:29 pm




would you hit it ??? (pic)
ha ha
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 5:27 pm




how to spend 1000000 bucks ?
buy lamborghini and new house
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 5:16 pm




she had a rough night (pic)
ha ha nice one
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 5:16 pm




Microsoft's boss Bill Gates is top of the billionaires' list for the 11th year
where is Donald Trump ?
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 5:13 pm




Hey DaddysGirl...
he he nice thread
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 4:56 pm




Vodka Experts... Whats Good vodka..
Lithuanian Vodka Absolut Vodka
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 4:56 pm




Unfuckingbelievable HAHA [pic]
ohh man, shit happens
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 4:52 pm




Would you hit her? (PIX)
no no Maybe next time
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 4:51 pm




If I have to hear another fucking person say...
life is short, but life's good
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 4:50 pm




guys, help me out! its my man's birthday today...
why he is not in GFY ?
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 4:49 pm




the winners of the promo are... really cheack this out
Congrats to all winners !
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 3:44 pm




I bought PS2 finally, recommend me some games!
Maybe Driv3r
Posted On: 2005-03-11 at 3:43 pm

The image is too big going by our rules - just shrink it down to 120x60 & you'll be fine :)

Phew! not my type of posting. :)

Do you think my "Big Sig" sig is Ok? Please can I keep it?
:dammit I can't find the grovel smilie:

edit - just seen your post - I'm off to the shrink now. :)

IMHO, the majority of "sig whores" continously post loads of garbage, polluting the threads with noise, and they rarely contribute with anything of benefit for others than themselves.

Like when you find an interesting thread, you must browse through 90% garbage in order to filter the relevant postings - WASTE of time.

One of the main reasons why I rarely spend my time on webmaster boards that allow this kind of shit. Time is money.

That's an interesting though becasue I visit 5 or 6 boards daily and none of them allow sig whores.

Isn't using sig whores to make a board seem more popular is kind of like using CJ2 to make a TGP seem more popular?

A few people posting only to get their sig out may be a good thing but the bulk of board needs to have something real to get my time.

People seem to be obsessed with post counts. Several times people say that if you've got a high post count, then you can't be a successful webmaster. I think that a more interesting measure is the number of views per post that your threads get. That's a much better indication of your value (or the appeal of your boob pics :).

Board Marketers are fine and dandy... it's not a dirty word. They generally just can't understand that even the most regular regulars here don't overtly "whore" their own products in sigs or posts.. out of respect for the people that pay for that exclusive privilage.

Doesn't mean any less networking or business gets done.. it just doesnt get done at the expense of the sponsors who contribute the dollars this show requires.

It means there is no need for the paying advertisers to be rammed down our throats as well, it's hard to argue against the policy here on any level really. (apart from making the board look smaller than it is on boardtracker's toplist)

I understand...hit me up bro, i would like to support the board with some type of banner ad...or do you know Bonnie Moss?

We're full :D

|escape|

What I tell you about sticking your nose in board business? You are just a pretty face :)

There is a link on the top of the board for those that want to advertise.

Here's my two cents. I think each board has it's good points. I like this one because of the way it separates the business from the chit chat. And that's what makes the posts in the chit chat section not sig whore posts like they might be on other boards. I like GFY for what it is. A place to meet people, find sponsors, entertainment, and sig whore. Plus read the posts from the self promoting, lipstick wearing goofbag called Juicy Links. :D

I AM A SIGWHORE! But not here. In fact, I own gfysigwhore.com :) lol

I have to agree with you on some points;

Sigwhores suck ass. Sigwhores get paid for quantity, not quality. We have to make massive amounts of posts in order to generate a significant income; unless you're Samuel Clemens it's almost impossibel to make 1000-3000 posts per month and still seem like an intelligent human being.

I try to be entertaining, but income has to come first. I am very grateful to TCG for the opportunity they've given me (again, they don't pay me for posting here, all I get is the refcode in my sig). The extra income is helping me and my family through a very rough time.

Still, I'm making a real effort to generate enough income from my webmastering that I'll no longer have to whore fulltime.

Is it bad for the boards? I don't think it's BAD, if it's limited. Uncontrolled whoring can be an ugly thing. It may have SOME positive impact if it's not overdone.

Is it good for the sponsors? It must be, they keep paying.

But still... when I need REAL information I come to greenguysboard.com! Which reminds me, I came here to ask about promoting Indian sites. In another thread.

Juicy wears lipstick? |shocking|
I never noticed. I think I was distracted by the spurting of his head..