I got one hell of a debate going on here now can't answer em as fast as they are comming at me :P K simple fact is and this is simple once again you would like to ban guns well many in the US would however for it to work the world would have to otherwise all the bin ladens of the world would have an open door.. Now saying the whole world would have to is a lil far fetched why? well nuclear weapons we can't even agree on getting rid of them and hmm let's see guns kill how many people a day? Nukes kill how many a second when launched should tip the scale work on getting rid of nukes first then I will hear yelling about guns ;) also a ban would never work because it is to easy to make a firearm everyone knows how gun powder easy to make coal dust sulfur and i will leave the last 1 up to you to guess but mix it put it in a hollow tree even light it and bam gun or bomb either one guns once unleashed cannot be taken back...

You know nothing about me. You just assume. Assumption sometimes isn't your friend. That's how people get shot and killed.

FYI, I grew up on a farm and had my own shotgun when I was 13. I never pointed it at any person intention or accidentally. People took responsibility for their own actions then. Now everything is someone else's fault and no one takes responsibility for their actions.

I don't want a gun nut pointing his weapon at me, my family, or my friends because he pissed about some assumption.

I have never pointed a gun at anyone either and yes I do take responsibility for my actions had my first 22 when i was 11 and not assuming to much about you don't pretend to know you. Just what you say on these boards. and is another reason for guns history and as a hobby don't have to maime or kill something set up beer can or pop bottles just good ole fashion fun I shot about 1k rounds this evening and never maimed or killed anything other than a crow and some tin cans.

Don't bang on about California...

I'm talking about Australia...

Go and find statistics on murder and violent crime rates in our two countries

I know where I'd rather be from a personal safety standpoint

When I'm talking about pineapples don't reply by telling me all about bananas...

I know this lot are hippy commie pinko leftie types but the stats speak for themselves...

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=kids

This bit is particularly sad...

"According to the Centers for Disease Control, the rate of firearm death of children 0-14 years old is nearly twelve times higher in the U.S. than in 25 other industrialized nations combined. The firearm-related homicide rate is nearly 16 times higher for children in the U.S. than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. The suicide rate of children 0-14 years old is twice as high in the U.S. as it is in those same 25 other industrialized countries combined. Interestingly, there is no difference in the non-firearm suicide rate between the U.S. and these other countries. Virtually all the difference is attributable to suicides committed with guns in the U.S"

Like I said - you gun nuts just don't get it...

I guess I can always find an up side to anything this stupid - Jehovah's Witness's :) (think about it)

I think that would be self-defense.

Alex |bananna| |bananna| |bananna| |bananna|

If not self-defense...at the very least...justifiable homicide :D

Caution! Don't Mess With The Rat!
 

Originally Posted by artwilliams
BTW, if I make threatening remarks at Disneyworld, will I get wacked? LOL!!
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Many years ago there was a notorious, drunk, right wing, Texas Senator named John Hightower. He was appointed by Ronald Reagan to be Defense Sec.

In one of his early press conferences, reporters were asking him hard questions on what was then called "star wars" or SDI, or something about that space shield garbage.

In a testy reply he said that an "American public that worshipped a rat" (referring to Mickey Mouse ) was not up to understanding the technical issues involed with modern defense.

Later that week, his private jet took a noise dive straight into a remote forest. From that moment forward I learned to be very, very, afraid of citicizing anything with the word Disney in it.

By the by; gun ownership should be encouraged not to protect against an overly aggressive government run amuck, but for the inevitable battle with the aliens who are on their way at light speed.

|pink

Up until that statement I thought you were just confusing the right to own a gun with the right to commit murder. Afterall if you ever read the law that's being discussed here you will see that it is a right to commit murder law.

If you think that people are going to agree with you then you need to get out a little more.

The interesting thing about most of your points is that they point to the fact that gun control would be a good thing. However, even with your points I do support the COnstitutional right. Just the more you talk the more I want tighter controls.

I approve of the law with some changes and personally about the gun control I am just stating that the fact is it won't work and also wazzo the facts you state on the http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=kids is as far anti gun as you can get that is the main website for the brady's the family who made background checks possible and the family who bans half the guns in the country I do not post much faith in their facts like me reffering you to the NRA website to get your facts ;) I am not pro murder nor am I even pro abortion I am pro life on both of these however murder must happen is what noone sees people were not meant to live forever the world gets smaller and smaller compared to the number of people we are overgrowing it now even as a murderous society image if there was no guns no crime and everyone was happy a pipedream fantasy the world would be overun in no time flat. Sounds harsh but think about it it is true. I have a habit of standing outside the box and looking at things not to say I don't see the hopes and reasoning behind anti gun groups just that it is just that a pipe dream that will never be possible and the more laws you pass the more people take the step over to being criminals. I know people who were good in every otherway law abiding citizens but owned a gun that was questionable in it's legality once you get picked up sent to fed pen for 10 years it's hard to get out and not be a criminal your laws are creating the next generation of the very thing you hope to stop. Same thing with school shootings why add cameras, security passes and harsh punishment on students? Why not slap the kids who pick bully and cause these kids to snap with harsh punishments? Society as a whole balances itself it's the way it should be one side wants guns one side hates them one side want the right to have abortion one side doesn't it is the natural balance of things and it tends to get all screwed up when the goverment listens to one side over the other.

Gotta admit folks |clown| this takes the heat off of me as being the reactionary (http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...d.php?t=24555).

Dragon.... baby, calm down! You were salivating so much when typing this I think your fingers got slippery.

Those stats were actually sourced from an official CDC report. Are they commie pinkos too?

You can read it here.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm

In our local paper today.

Two people shot on the dance floor or a gay club.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines

15 year teen shot will being robbed for his gold chain.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines

Multiple shootings each day is the norm here. Most of them never make it into the newspaper.

The new Florida law isn't about the right to own a gun but is about when you can kill someone. Not that it really matters as we have so many shootings, but it does give another excuse to shoot someone.

Our right to own guns is from another time when maybe a group of people could make a stand against a government out of control. I really doubt this is still the case. I guess the right to own tactical nukes might make a difference but do you really want your neighbor to have his own nuke?

I live in a city. No one hunts, no dangerous animals to defend against. I don't know anyone who ever has been protected by their gun. Many of the people I know have them. My rich neighbor collects them and has hundreds legally. He is also on medication to control his temper and when he goes off them starts smashing things and gets pretty scary. So far he hasn't shot anyone. He also has a house full of crazy hookers most of the time. People drunk, do drugs, get pissed off, do dumb things. Having a gun around just makes it worse. I was shot at a house where the owner had a gun legally and our mutual friend, who was dunk and pissed off at me, knew where to find the home owner's gun and shot me instead of picking up a lamp and throwing it at me or something.

I've also been robbed at gunpoint. Me having a gun would not have helped at all.

There is no reason for the average person where I live to own a gun. To the collectors and hobbyists, go find a new hobby.

Ok that's a lil better evertime i post i get like 3 or 4 back argueing about it I consider it fun this is a hobby of mine to argueing causes :P.. Will look over the stats but for every statistic done there is an opposite source with an opposite finding..