You have to admit that, while I know it was done inadvertently, looking at it from his side of things, you cut 1st. Just to put it into perspective, if MML had done that to me, he'd have gotten an earful as well.

He did. If you had Caller ID on the phone, you'd know this :D That's why there were emails & the snailmail letter.

Firstly, MML gets paid to work for you. Was I getting paid? No. Everyone (including yourself) laughed at the arrangement I had with him. I was foolish for accepting that offer and regretted it after I was told how naive I was for doing that, but I did not give up. I did NOT cut and run. I fell behind 6 days behind on reviewing. And yes, I can see how that would be a big whopping deal to him. On an established successful list, falling back one day would be unacceptable. But on a new list, it's really not a big deal. And, as I had posted, I would have gotten it all caught up that weekend. Who else was working that list? Anyone? Can I see a some hands? No one. I was nothing less than abandoned with an incomplete script. No blacklist. No way to delete 404s. Nothing. I had a very simply review interface, that was all. Any wonder why I don't feel guilty? Any wonder why I was pleased have my service there ended?


I don't need caller ID. Caller ID is for people who avoid phone calls. I answer my phone when I'm home. But if people would take a step back, they'd realize that at the same time this dibacle was unfolding, I was just starting my new day job, which is painting, as you know. I'm not home during the day anymore. Infact, I'm late for work right now. (good thing my new bosses like me ;) ) And, during the same week, my beatiful wife was in Vegas, having a great time by the way. So, I'm busy with a new job, that PAYS me, my wife is away, which leaves me with my kids and all of the household responsibilities. Gee - my priorities ARE fucked. What was I thinking? I should have done a better job and made that shittly little link list my number one concern. Quick, someone fuck me with a big stick. I deserve it. I'm a bad, bad boy.

I really need to go to work now. I'm all hopped-up on Dunkin Donuts Latte and still haven't changed into my work clothes.

See, I'm in a really shitty position on all this - and it's not just the friends aspect of things - I can completely see both sides of the problem and while calling or emailing him that you were behind would have been the better thing to do, I can also see why you posted because I know these things happen with Link Lists.

And MML is a PERFECT example when you take LOR out of the equation - his job is to maintain 20+ link & tgp admins each week that he does NOT get paid a salary for. He gets a cut of those sites just like you. If he posted that Chubby Links was 6 days behind & that we was gonna clean it up that weekend without telling me personally, I'd have been quite upset.

Yes, the admin didn't do what it was supposed to do.
Yes, I completely understand how you felt on that subject.
Yes, I would have also been throwing my hands up in the air as well.

Personally, I would have probably just quit in private & moved on (and that's not meant as me thinking that your post was you "quitting")

I understand that you took on the offline job & that's great, but you can't throw out the "if he would have called me a couple weeks ago" when he did call, he did email & he did snailmail.

He called again yesterday & left you a message (and not by my urging) and PM'd you. Apart from him driving to your house, I really have no other idea how he could've contacted you :(

If you want to leave it the way it is, that's fine with me - as long as your anger towards him does not come out on the board - I can't have that & I think you know this.

UW, you may appreciate those who have taken the time to contact you or to express dismay at the situation, but please DON'T TAKE IT OUT ON US. Your anger towards one person should remain focused on that person, and shouldn't come out all over the rest of us who have nothing to do with the situation.

You entered a business arrangement. The arrangement (for whatever reason, not important to your friends) didn't work out. You can call your boss names if you like on the side in private and curse under your breath, but as a friend, I don't want to get in the middle of it.

You have put many people "in the middle of it" even if they had nothing to do with the situation.

Yes, your situation in life changed. Yes, you were having a stressful week. Yes, things blew up when you least wanted them to.

..... and no, none of your friends had anything to do with it. Quit hitting us with a stick, it's not helping anyone out.

Make your peace, say your piece, smoke a piece, whatever it is you need to do. Your friends want to remain you friends, so you have to find some way to put the issues at hand in a box and deal with them in your own way, as two people should.

You also have a PM.

Alex

Aw damn...was really hoping this was settled and we could get our UW back.

I don't know all the details, nor do I need to. Reading between the lines, it's pretty apparent things were said in haste...and feathers got ruffled.

Damn guys, we're all adults here. Try to put this stuff in perspective and get back to business. What's happening currently isn't doing anyone any good...and certainly isn't going to solve any behind the scenes issues.

Bottom line...no matter what happened behind the scenes. This shit ain't rocket science, nor are we dealing with world peace issues. We're fortunate enough to sell adult entertainment as a way to pay the bills...or try to :D

Come on guys...TALK to each other...shake hands and agree to disagree. Let's get back to having some fun...poking some fun (damn, I miss UW!)...and slingin some porn :D

Peace, Porn and Cocksuckers!

We need all the pieces. Now lets move on!

What I can figure out is why this upsets me so much!! I mean I have never meant any of you in person but I feel for all of you when things are going bad. I feel like a lot of you on this board are my friends and this is a great place to come to every day. In fact this may sound crazy but I need this place... |dizzy|

It looks like two people who were good friends are hurting. I tell ya good true friends are really hard to come by now days. Sit down and work this out guys. Many things can't be forgotten but they can be forgiven.

I'm in no way trying to jump in this as it's none of my business. I'm doing it because I really like and enjoy you on here UW. And I'm sad your hurting.

Life is too short so:
|shake| |peace| |bow|

Well, I know this is none of my business but sue-fl is right, life is too short and true friends are hard to come by. Friends some times hurt each other for whatever reason and what comes next is a test of how much that friendship means to each person. Bruised egos and hurt feelings aren't worth ending a good friendship, trust me, I know. Please, take a deep breathe and don't let anger rule the day.

I hope you guys can work things out and shake off the bad feeling, they only serve to weigh you down and suck the life out of you.

Regards,
SF

enough |swordfigh now you two |shake|

and lets have |peace|

You're completely right. I never meant for my hostility to show and it even amazes me how much of an asshole I can be when I don't keep myself in check. I am sorry for that. I'm in state now where I'm embarassing myself more than what he had done. And I do a fine job of it. I'm sorry for bringing this to the board, GG. Part of me really needed to sound my barbaric yawp from the rooftops (Dead Poets Society), to get it all out, which is pretty damned hard while trying to be discreet. I'm sorry for making such a mockery of all this on your board. Please accept my sincere apology.

Alex, thank you. Your PM has helped me pull this back into perspective. I keep inflating the issue out of anger and stress and it has become something much larger than what it was. I've been told more than a few times in my life that I can be somewhat irrational. ;) I've had a few excellent advisors during the last week or so and they all told me to pull back, relax, and to think this all through. It seems that I've ignored them all, even while concisously admitting that they were right. I'm a little fucked up that way. OK, a lot fucked up.

So here I am, humbled. Someone did something to punish me, I guess, and it pissed me right off. Could you tell? :D And honestly, it angered the holy fuck out of me that GG didn't instantly reverse what that guy did to me. I understand why he didn't. Business is business and I'm just a new nut case on the block, getting nuttier by the day. Frankly, I wouldn't want it back now anyway. Still angry about it, but I don't want it back. Damn, I'm a misconfigured unit.

I'm calm now, but I still don't see the point in talking to him. I've nothing to say to him. I'd like to see him punished. That would be nice. Maybe he should have to do jumping-jacks naked in the snow or play Jenga after drinking 7 or 8 black coffees. I don't know. He wins. He warned me. I can't deny that. He told me he'd fuck me and he did. Oh well. At least people like me for who am. I still have that. Bet he can't say that. |clown|

Let me give a shout out to all you loving bastard that supported me and showered me with "cocksucker" along the way. I felt the love. I really did. :D I'll try to stick around and not let you filthy fucks down. Deal? Deal. |lovers|

Wow, I just noticed the the view count on this thread. If anyone would like to buy advertising, on this thread, now is the time. :D My rates are low.

Useless, switch on your ICQ please.

Thanks for the drama you feuding cocksuckers. Sure glad to see it getting worked out 'cause we love both of you.

BTW, someone told me sex was better after a good fight. Now don't go fucking each other.

Don't go getting your hopes up. To win the 'I'm leaving' award you would need 103 posts and 3,869 views. And if you beat those numbers, you would get banned.

You are a sick, sick fucker. Damn, I love you Chop! |waves|

UW |pokefun| you Fucking Cock Sucker your a piece of shit. :D

Dose it make you happy that i am in my maronies. |bananna|

Damn, I'm getting that warm fuzzy feeling! |pink |bananna| |lovers|

You sexy bitch! I don't want to picture that though. Oh, BTW - my wife adores you. Whenever we talk about our time at GG's, she mentions how great you are, how sweet you are, how you're such a super father. In other words, stay the hell away from wife. :D Damn you. I can't compete with that. I'm a mess.

I may be new to GG but I can feel “a lot of love here”. Aw Fuck! Never mind I was sitting on my car keys.

Agreed |thumb

I'll send the lube...don't even wanna know who gets to be bottom :D

Oh wait, Chop said NOT to fuck each other...whoops...dismount you cocksuckers!

Wet Platinum is outstanding for almost all personal lubricant applications. Welcome back ya sick fuck :D

Ok UW what the hell did you put in her drink to make her say all those good things about me. :) Them are some very kind words, tell her i said thank you. I am only doing what any real man or women would do for their family. I am a good guy though ain't i LOL

So give her a kiss for me. |blowkiss|

So whens the next time she is coming up. :D Suspender Boy

mmmmmm i am trying to think what to post here, UW i love you, i like your post all the time, but i also see a bit of stubburn in you what i have myself, i remember one time i took an sudden holiday for reviewing because one of the partners hit me for being behind for 2 days, the bad is i talked to her hubby before that i had problems with my puter and all was fixed and i was doing the reviews, only i got hit by his wife, i did my best i informed them and the best for them was i was fucking working for free i was so insulted and upset i took an 6 weeks holiday to lett them notice the job i did for them already for more then a year, i couldnt understand, one person said oke dont worrie and the other person hit my butt because they want their linksite updated everyday, but heay i had puter problems and i informed them, after 6 weeks holiday, i made my decision, i am more worth then that and gave them a month to find an new reviewer because i would quit my job, working for free for someone is nice, but i think you may never ever demand things from an person who works for free, just clear have demands pay the person then they owe you. Funny thing is i do the same linksites now and get huge payment, but oke my issue is, it wasnt my fault, i inform linksite owners i work for in any way i can by email by icq or by phone (even it will cost me) no matter if its a problem at their site or mine, i just wanna do my work good and i will hit them up in any way i can if there is an problem i cant review..........i dont know your issue, i do know you have your pride, just calm down and think again, i saw in one of your post the 6 day behind review....that is alot even for free working, i still dont know the issue, but if you have an problem with an linkscript with reviewing you hit the owner up in any way you can, no answer try again the second day, and yes no answer i would think fuck you, and if you had an issue and you couldnt review, i would leave the owner an message behind in any way i can... no answer ,atleast i try to inform them............again i dont know your issue, but sometimes the things are not looking that bad as they are, calm down and dont joke around you have an issue and try to resolve it, i dont wanna miss you on this board , btw the end of my story i spoke with the persons involved and we worked it out, i told them honestly how i felt, if you realy wanna resolve your issue.......be honest to the person involved, speak to them and give them your view, it will help you and it will help them, hey you dont have to be close friends but it will keep bugging you if you dont talk to them:) oke probably i am talking bullshit and chinese dutch english here, but since this thread is here i may post my opinion :D nenenenenenen ha finally i may say nenenene to UW, LOVE YOU:)))))))

You cheated us all!

Thought we finally rid of you, cocksucker. You are hereby demoted to cocktease!


:D

I do :)

In all honesty, what the fuck would you have had me do? |huh My whole part in this is that I suggested to Jim that you'd be a good reviewer for Javes (there - now those that are in the dark can see a little bit of light) That's it! You know better than anyone that I have made many suggestions as far as Javes - some were implemented & some weren't - but it's not my site & I have no stake in it, so all I can do is suggest things & then go on my merry way.

I'm sorry, but the only one fucking you is you. I know that it was not your intention to publicly embarrass Jim, but you did. He did what he thought he had to do & in the process, publicly embarrassed you by letting you go on the board.

And I'd bet that 95% of the people reading this don't even know which thread we're referring to.

You do realize that he wants to talk to you so that he can apologize, right?

And think about this - you've moved hosts, you've bashed Gabbo, you're upsetting friends & you're ready to leave the board - all this because you got fired from a job that you didn't really like & was not really making you that much money.

I'm done |waves|

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oke and i am regretting i jumped in this post............ewwww me gonna hide now....dont wanna get involved in this but i did mean what i say, talk to the person to get the issue resolved:) it makes you feel better and the other person ( i am not gonna mention names, nooooooo way:D)

LMAO at you, Stu. I know that this is serious stuff to the people involved but I find some humor in it.

The power found in a three letter name. :D

na i cant see real humor in it, even UW react like an funny guy, he is an funny guy, but he knows the issue is bugging him, its not fun to have an issue with people you know for some time and you will see as your friend, you can joke about it but for real.......its not funny, resolve it and you will feel muchhhhhhhh better:D, heayyyyyyyy and i posting here my point a view:D

Bet you won't do that again.

Pretty sure I made that clear. But it sounds down right fucking mean from you. I like it better when I say it.

That's unnecessary. I'm not a horribly forgiving person. If he was just another webmaster, an equal, this would have been no big deal. But when someone with substantially more influence and power fucks with you just for the sake of fucking ya, well that's a bit hard to take.

I can't help but think that you're egging me on. Do you want me to hang myself further? Is that it? Listen, I already planned on moving hosts. I'm accustomed to CPanel and the server I was on doesn't have that. I fuck around alot and need what I consider to be a friendlier control panel. The stats sucked. It even skips days. I may not have much traffic, but I like to know where it's coming from. I didn't have Wusage like other people who are hosted there. Call me crazy. My new host has AWStats. I have a hard on for AWStats and it keeps me warm at night. Did the Javes thing speed up my move? Yes. Do you care to know why? It was Chris' complete silence. He never ICQ'd me or emailed or anything. Not a word of support or indifference. He's the other owner of Javes and he didn't care enough to tell me how he felt.

Gabbo needed to be bashed. He needed to be bashed back into progress. You guys are just going to let him die. All that work, all that bullshit gimmicky advertising and you were going to let him die. That's unacceptable. I have no stake in Gabbo, but I thinks it's utter nonsense that you'd just throw it away. If I hired you people to build and run Gabbo I would have fired you all a long time ago. And then I'd call you bad names and toss rotten eggs in your general direction. Success requires constant movement forward. When the movement stops, the project has failed.

Due to that fact that I'm discreet, which I believe is something you used to like about me, I can't and won't discuss the reason why I'm angry here. But again - it has nothing to do Javes. Javes just set the wheels in motion. Hiding the true reason does my defense a great disservice. Ask any of our friends why I was angry if you really don't. They've taken the time to talk to me about this. They didn't abandon me. They knew how big of a blow it would be for a small webmaster like me.

I made a total of $240 for the entire time I reviewed at Javes and I never got that until after I was fired. As you know, I accepted a 20% deal without thinking it through. My bad. 20% of what? Jim paid me $300 to sign him up to a butt load of sponsors before I was asked to be his reviewer. He later asked me to go back to all of those sponsors and change the sign-up email addy to another. I never did that. I'm not a pissboy wandering around with a bucket in my hand.

Dude, say the word and I'm gone. Same goes for Jim. If having me here is too much to bare, just let me know. I won't even post a good-bye. I'll log out and delete this board from my bookmarks.

I stated my apologies, but you seem to want to hammer on me a little more. I don't get it. Am I being unfair? Have I lied? Have I exagerrated anything? I decided to step up to the plate, humble myself before EVERYONE, apologize the things that I am sorry for, and this is what I get. I don't expect a big smooch and a cookie, but I don't think that this very fair either.

oke stu is leaving the building i am gonna stay out of this, ignore all i said, i wasnt here it was just an ghost or my evil twin.............................

Don't run away stu! I still love you and your evil twin. |waves|

Oddly enough, yes, I would recommend you to someone that asked me if I knew of a reviewer for a Link List. I think I know how you think when you review based on your listings & your replies on the Link List forum to those that didn't get listed. Good reviewers are hard to come by & you are a good reviewer.

Can you please explain how he is fucking you? Because I for one have no fucking clue.

I'll take my medicine on that one - had I called or ICQ'd to ask you, I'm sure you would have told me that you were planning on moving anyway. But you have to admit, without knowing that, Chris's involvement in Javes looked like the main reason you moved.

Yes, he did, but the behind the scenes part of it is that he was being kick started before the 2 threads about him were brought up here on the board. Gabbo is fine - he's out of the comma & his eyes can blink yes & no :D He'll be walking around in no time. But again, you have to admit, looking at it from Joe Blow webmaster who's reading the board on a daily basis & assumes that Gabbo is mine & Jim's, it looked like an attack on Jim.

And I really didn't want to throw away 6 months of work, but when I brought the project to a screeching halt (yes, it was me that put him in the coma) I felt I really had no other choice. I'm not gonna reveal anymore about the project, because incase there are a few people that haven't guess what it is already, I want to keep them in the dark :D

EXCUSE ME! Was it not me that called you the moment I found out? MML was sitting here in my chair getting ready to do OTB while I chatted with you on the phone about the issue, expressing that I didn't really want to get involved because I could see both sides of the issue & because you are both (and still are) my friends. I also remember you being happy that you were fired. So please, don't say that I haven't taken the time to talk to you about this - it's insulting.

UGH! Would it help if I did a 3 way call with the 2 of you? All he wants to do is apologize to you verbally instead of here on the board where everyone can see our shit-stained tighty-whiteys. I do love a good piss, but not this one - my stomach hurts & I have the urge to drink (1 year next week)

I just want this over with & everyone happy & back to where they were the day before you took the job at Javes :)

UW i hate when i see good people having a fight, i like gg, i like jim, i like you, i hate to see people having an issue while they where friends before.........a mistake or an misunderstanding is easely made ( i know because i misunderstood alot of post here, heay dont blame me i am chinese dutch english the time you all get awake and ready for work) you belong to this board your funny, you make alot of people smile, but you cant hide when you are hurt, i hope you all get it worked out with jim (damn i said the name) you know the guys arent bad and mean it good ( heheheh and now i didnt say name:D) i dont say you have to agree, but please talking will help get it resolve just be honest talkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk:))) and i am not here this was my evil twin:))) Love ya UW |headbang|

Sorry, I know this is none of my damn business, which is why I have kept out of this discussion, and believe me, sitting on my hands and not posting on this thread has been hard at times. However, for your own good; People please remember this is a public board, what you post we all read, and I get the feeling people are posting things in the heat of the moment that they don't want known (eg. I posted a question elsewhere and the answer tactfully and politely told me it was none of my business and not something to be made public knowledge, but I got my answer in this thread).

Also think of people who are friends to all concerned in this dispute. Remember, they probably want to remain friends with all of you, but the more they read posted here, the more embarrassing it makes it for them. (And as an aside, if you don't here from someone for a while after this, do NOT assume it is because they have fallen out with you over this matter, or that they side with the other person, it may simply be that they are afraid you may bring up this matter and do not know what to say to you.)

UW, my advice (and I appreciate I have no real right to give you advice) is to take up GG's suggestion of a three way phone call. This does not mean you have to be ready to make peace, in fact the conversation could go; "Fuck you" "Yeah well fuck you too" etc. But at least you could all get it out of your system and clear the air. And more importantly, you will be doing it without an audience. So please (and again I appreciate that I have no right to ask this) make that call.

Let's forget the rest. I'm good. That statement is all I'm concerned with. As hard as it is to not let this spat get to you, consider it done. I won't bring it up again. Have a Red Bull and relax. Wait, is it possible to relax while drinking that stuff? Have some warm milk, which sounds yucky, yet somehow soothing.

I need to get some rest. I have to start scraping and priming an old house tomorrow, then it's off to Vermont for a costume party. I'm going as a Ghetto Tooth Fairy. Dreadlock wig, gold tooth, bling and all. I'll be dead sexy.

But what's your costume?

Nothing but his Maronies :D

That was a REALLY poor choice of words on my part - forget I ever said it.