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ecchi 2005-10-24 09:13 PM
RE "please go and re read the situations mentioned before advising other board members to perform fellatio on you." Oh I see, that is what set Surfin off. It was a joke, I was trying to lighten the post so it did not look like I was just stamping on what Chop Smith was saying.

Bunnyhop 2005-10-24 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecchi
And what I should have done before posting the above is done a search on Hundies Entertainment (the site owners). Apparently they have been taken over by another company who are redesigning their sites. So it looks like point 2 in my last post is the most likely.
Actually Hundies is the new owners, it used to be owned by "makebling.com"

Surfn 2005-10-24 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecchi
RE: "You spout unsubstantiated rhetoric and abuse my friends for sport." What I am trying to do is help your friends. The original poster asked what was going on, I offered my opinion, I also took time out of my busy day to explain a few things they did not understand, I could have been spending the time making free sites or something. As to "abuse my friends for sport" I don't think I have been abusive, I may have been a bit blunt but I am not talking to ten year old schoolgirls, I really don't think you have to treat them like babies.

And as to "You spout unsubstantiated rhetoric" Can I suggest you go to Amazon and buy a few books on how the Internet works, you will find what I have said repeated in most of them.

RE :"I get the impression that you are less than an honest webmaster by all your suspect posts." Sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? I try to help your friends, and you accuse me a crook because of it. Are you drunk or stoned, or do you just want your friends to fail.

RE: "I do care what you say about my friends." But you would rather they were mushroomed (kept in the dark and fed bullshit). They may be your friends, but you are not much of a friend to them.

RE: "I don't care what you think of me." Although I occasionally disagree with your opinions, I used to think you were an intelligent guy. But after that post I just think you are a bit of a cunt (I may change my opinion if you are very drunk or stoned, everyone acts like an ass then).

My apologies to everyone else for this post.
It is very obvious to me that you bought "Internet for Dummies" and now believe you are some sort of authority. Disagreements are one thing, I don't mind those, but running up your post count by being abusive is quite another thing.

Hell you even abuse Urb, a fellow countryman, about the weather. If you aren't trying to run your sig numbers up what are you trying to do?

I think if anyone is drunk or stoned you are.

Bunnyhop 2005-10-24 09:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by emmanuelle
ecchi- please go and re read the situations mentioned before advising other board members to perform fellatio on you.
What? I thought board members willingly gave fellatio to other board members on a regular basis |cry|

I agree with a lot of the points made in this thread...really if I hire a company to produce traffic for me...I don't expect them to do it by basically usurping my SE traffic that I'd be getting anyways. I would expect that company to have another traffic producing means to send me traffic. I shouldn't need to compete with those I'm paying for services from.

Has there been anyword from karadavis people?

ecchi 2005-10-24 09:25 PM
RE: "If the frameset name is named with the url of the site, then it is indeed attracting search engine traffic to itself." Actually that is not correct, unless the frames are on the same domain (and even if they are on the same domain many SE guru's think they are ignored).

RE: "It was a sincere question, and should be neither mocked nor ridiculed." And I gave a sincere answer. I do try to lighten posts where I disagree with people because most people hate being told they are wrong bluntly, but there was no intention to ridicule you.

In answer to your "original question" is it is never right to steal search engine traffic, but no one is actually stealing traffic in the examples you and kalle7 give, which I think I said long time ago and got called an abusive crook by surfin for doing so.

P.S. Sorry I appear to be answering posts several posts late, but you all type faster than me and your posts appear after I have hit submit.

ecchi 2005-10-24 09:39 PM
RE :"It is very obvious to me that you bought "Internet for Dummies" and now believe you are some sort of authority." Nope, never read the book, I have however worked on the Internet for something like 15 years, and before that (since the early eighties) was a computer programmer. And I never set myself up as an "authority" I simply state facts or my opinions, as everyone else does.

RE "Hell you even abuse Urb, a fellow countryman, about the weather." WTF????????

RE: "If you aren't trying to run your sig numbers up what are you trying to do?" Actually on most boards my sig does not even have a link in it. The only reason I use the "Traffic Club" one on this board is that the character count set by GG&J is so low that I cannot fit my currently preferred sig in and this is one of the few that are short enough. On most boards my sig is just a quote from Hunter S Thompson and contains no link. It runs:

""No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun - for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax - This won't hurt." Hunter S Thompson's last message to the world 20 Feb 2005"

If I was sig whoring, those would be the boards I would use a "trade" sig on.

Chop Smith 2005-10-24 09:43 PM
The nice Canadian lady and the kind gentlemen deserve a decent reply so will everyone please put their dick in their pants and get on the same page. Goggle "brutus black". Who is number 1. Not Emma

cybersexhound 2005-10-24 10:24 PM
Im reading this thread and it poses some questions regarding tactice which i use - is it ok to copy sales text from the site which you are promoting, perhaps use images from their tour? I have been doing this for awhile now but now am questioning whether its ok or not.

cybersexhound 2005-10-24 10:28 PM
I know for a fact you can report these tactics to google and they will ban the site from the search results if that helps any :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by emmanuelle
I hope that I am not hijacking kalle's thread, but this is an issue that has bothered me for some time.
Which of these methods are considered 'acceptable' and why?

1. brutusblack.thebestporn.com/ (this site was not reviewed, however has the #1 google listing)

2. brutusblack.pornreporters.com/
(not only "reviewed" without our blessing, but erroneous information and content stolen from our member area)

3. www.karadavis.com/movies/emmas_balloons/ - the same issue as kalle's, they are pulling my tour within their frameset

4. www.pornresource.com/videos/brutus_black/
the same system as karadavis is using.


Are these generally accepted industry practices? Do site owners have the right to forbid affiliates from these tactics? Should they even want to? Or is it simply a courtesy not given? Is a paysite owner's only recourse to have their own SE guru on staff, or trademark their domains? Truthfully I've never been certain whether or not I should be allowed to feel annoyed by these things; which is why I'd like to hear other's opinions.

Bunnyhop 2005-10-24 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cybersexhound
Im reading this thread and it poses some questions regarding tactice which i use - is it ok to copy sales text from the site which you are promoting, perhaps use images from their tour? I have been doing this for awhile now but now am questioning whether its ok or not.
Images from a tour you gotta be careful with...if the sponsor doesn't produce their own content they may not be allowed to have the content that's used on their sites used on domains outside of their licensing agreements. Best to check a sponsor's T&C before you do that just in case (most sponsors it's not a problem)

I don't think taking tidbits from a sponsor's site when you're going to be promoting that site will have any negative effects on the sponsor's opinion of you....purposely trying to trump them in the SEs by completely copying their tour is a different ball of wax I would think.

At least that's my opinion

Chop Smith 2005-10-24 10:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunnyhop
At least that's my opinion
Not that it makes a damn, but I like your opinion.

cybersexhound 2005-10-24 10:59 PM
I understand the post just made me question my doings :) CLoaking has been around for a long time now - I have had many people banned for it. its a shame because if someone over-cloaks all sites get penelized included the victom site. Which is why I have always reported cloaking to the search engines as soon as I found it. Its nice to give a little warning however you just might get fucked if the search engines have already recognized it. ESPECIALLY WITH GOOGLE.COM

Linkster 2005-10-24 11:37 PM
Here's my best guess at what they are doing - they recently bought the domain (around June 10th or so) and have a cloaking setup with Google to show some keywords for advanced placement for those keywords - here's googles actual cached page:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...en&lr=&strip=1
with all the clutter stripped out - this is what they are showing Google for now - it then redirects to that page copied off of Kalle's site.
This is in preparation for a scrape job it looks like - basically when they are ready they are going to start inserting their own aff codes - and since they are going to take the rankings in Google for this page - they will be positioned to basically "replace" all of Kalles listings in Google.

While some would consider this "ok" as there are quite a few people doing this type of stuff and getting away with it - Ive always held the position that it is unethical (there really is no illegal in the web world right now) and just the latest way to steal peoples rankings in the search engines.

My opinion flavored with way too much whiskey and beer and cajun food is that Kalle should send a C&D to their host - and if that doesnt work, file a DMCA with Google - get it published on Chilling Effects - and post on every board that these people are scammers - as this isnt the only site they have done it to - but then - thats just my opinion :)

DJilla 2005-10-25 06:36 AM
Whoa!
 
A couple (alright "a few") thoughts and hopefully a helpful link?

Thought ballon one: The irritating thing about forums is that when a thread falls to snappiness its always frustrating that one is generally restricted from exercising quick violence as a way of making a point. |cool|

Thought ballon two: Like that idiot CEO from Sun Micro has repeated many times "privacy is dead" so I think "copyright is in its last throes". As an artist myself, I can wonder if this is truly a bad thing. The issues are too large to go into here. The only thing I do know is that I don't think it can be a good thing to loose all the public domain potential because Mickey Mouse needs to buy crack for another 25 years. |satan|

Thought ballon three: Frustrating as it may be, the web was inherently designed to be hackable and while frustrating at times, is also one of its charms.

Helpful link: Chasing down commercial losses due to infringement can be an arduous, frustrating task. Here's a link that can help you:

http://www.copyscape.com/
|pink

Jel 2005-10-25 06:39 AM
Doesn't this piece of code in your head tags prevent your page being loaded in a frame?



(Sorry I couldn't get it to paste correctly in a code, php, or even quote tag)

That is from TDavid Kalle :)

DJilla 2005-10-25 06:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkster
Here's my best guess at what they are doing - they recently bought the domain (around June 10th or so) and have a cloaking setup with Google to show some keywords for advanced placement for those keywords - here's googles actual cached page:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...en&lr=&strip=1
with all the clutter stripped out - this is what they are showing Google for now - it then redirects to that page copied off of Kalle's site.
This is in preparation for a scrape job it looks like - basically when they are ready they are going to start inserting their own aff codes - and since they are going to take the rankings in Google for this page - they will be positioned to basically "replace" all of Kalles listings in Google.
Damn that's kinda clever, is that what its coming down to?
So are you for figuring it out which I think you are completely right.

DJilla 2005-10-25 06:51 AM
The Internet Invented I
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecchi
RE :"I have however worked on the Internet for something like 15 years, and before that (since the early eighties) .
Do you know Al Gore? JJJJUUUUSST Joking.

Hunter Thompson... the original Gonzo! Yeh! |bananna|

NevDull 2005-10-25 10:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cybersexhound
Im reading this thread and it poses some questions regarding tactice which i use - is it ok to copy sales text from the site which you are promoting, perhaps use images from their tour? I have been doing this for awhile now but now am questioning whether its ok or not.
Ya know, rather than wondering, it's typically best practice to just ask them. If you do something wrong, you'll have made an enemy. If you ask, if there's a reason they don't want you doing so, they'll let you know -- and most of the time give you an alternative such as some alternate copy that they didn't use, or access to photos they're able to provide, etc.

Except for a select few who resent their affiliates, the affiliate programs would love to help you. The happier you are, and the more involved they can be with your marketing of their site, the better your marketing will be, and the more money you'll both make.

ecchi 2005-10-25 01:17 PM
RE: "Do you know Al Gore?" I taught him everything he knows , he stole all my ideas when he invented the Internet. :)

kalle7 2005-10-25 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecchi

1. Have you ever paid a traffic company for hits?
No, I have not bought traffic lately that would have made them use my design at that specific placement for that reason.

kalle7 2005-10-25 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunnyhop
Has there been anyword from karadavis people?
I e-mailed them yesterday and asked, but have not gotten any reply yet.

kalle7 2005-10-25 05:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkster
Here's my best guess at what they are doing - they recently bought the domain (around June 10th or so) and have a cloaking setup with Google to show some keywords for advanced placement for those keywords - here's googles actual cached page:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...en&lr=&strip=1
with all the clutter stripped out - this is what they are showing Google for now - it then redirects to that page copied off of Kalle's site.
This is in preparation for a scrape job it looks like - basically when they are ready they are going to start inserting their own aff codes - and since they are going to take the rankings in Google for this page - they will be positioned to basically "replace" all of Kalles listings in Google.

While some would consider this "ok" as there are quite a few people doing this type of stuff and getting away with it - Ive always held the position that it is unethical (there really is no illegal in the web world right now) and just the latest way to steal peoples rankings in the search engines.

My opinion flavored with way too much whiskey and beer and cajun food is that Kalle should send a C&D to their host - and if that doesnt work, file a DMCA with Google - get it published on Chilling Effects - and post on every board that these people are scammers - as this isnt the only site they have done it to - but then - thats just my opinion :)

Thanks Linkster |thumb . I will think about this and consider sending the complaints. This case has really confused me about what to do with it.

kalle7 2005-10-25 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel
Doesn't this piece of code in your head tags prevent your page being loaded in a frame?



(Sorry I couldn't get it to paste correctly in a code, php, or even quote tag)

That is from TDavid Kalle :)

Thanks Jel |thumb I will try that and see if I can get it to work. TDavid has some real useful work.

Greenguy 2005-10-25 05:51 PM
I stopped reading this thread yesterday afternoon for some reason & after reading everything & trying to figure out ecchi's posts, I got very confused & will just say that I trust everything that Linkster says :D

ecchi - for the love of |buddy| learn how to use the fucking "quote" function - reading your posts is like trying to read hieroglyphics.

Greenguy 2005-10-25 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenguy
...ecchi - for the love of |buddy| learn how to use the fucking "quote" function - reading your posts is like trying to read hieroglyphics.
See how easy it is? You just hit the "quote" button in the post & then type underneath it :)

Greenguy 2005-10-25 05:53 PM
Oh - I will say this - I don't know how & I don't know why they are doing it & I of course like "free" traffic, but I too would be very suspicious of what the motives are.

ecchi 2005-10-25 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenguy
ecchi - for the love of |buddy| learn how to use the fucking "quote" function - reading your posts is like trying to read hieroglyphics.
Ok

Greenguy 2005-10-25 06:32 PM
See how easy that was :D

Linkster 2005-10-25 09:25 PM
Kalle - if you do not get a reply from them - might try contacting them at their 2257 address from one of their paysites -
http://www.kileypink.com/2257.php
Hey - I know that address - its the same one as this:
http://www.milfchallenge.com/2257.php :)

ecchi 2005-10-26 01:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenguy
See how easy that was :D
Yes but it still looks terribly "Sun Reader-ish" to me.

susanna 2005-10-27 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkster
Kalle - if you do not get a reply from them - might try contacting them at their 2257 address from one of their paysites -
http://www.kileypink.com/2257.php
Hey - I know that address - its the same one as this:
http://www.milfchallenge.com/2257.php :)

ummm You are good! Any chance you need a new friend? ha ha ha |bow|


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