they say holland is one of the riches countries in europa...oh yep we are, but we are also the country with the most taxes things, the only thing we dont pay taxes for is ..inhealing oxigen.....people think in holland you can do all, yep most part is true ..but it will cost ya, but still holland is a very small country...so why focus only on that part if there is a whole world you can reach...specially with the internet...internet..the only way to reach the whole world:D bad english or not:D

lol, was on schooltrip to Amsterdam my senior year at highschool, thought it was kind of cheap there.....
Knows about the darn taxes, you're right, the only free thing left here as well are the air we breath, and I'm sure they'll tax that as well soon |badidea|

and about the lower dollar, hell tell me about it...when i started this bizz 6 years ago i got for 100 dollars 115 euro, now for 100 dollars i get what 70 euros..... now thats not the only part, i have for cost about 600 dollars a month for hosting and domain renewal and thats not all, all i earn i have to pay 52% for taxes in holland, so for every dollar i get half back with taxes pulled off, now do you realy think i would stay in this bizz if i earn a little naaaaaaaaaaaaa? there is alot of money to make for foreing and not foreing people, why? because you can reach the whole world if you use english text....good english or not:D But it does explain why so many foreign people dont make it in this bizz ...well i think that way

alot of foreign people try this bizz, also alot get hit on the facted they dont write properly english...i blame it on the bathroom submitters they fuck up for the others who realy wanna try, not all get a chanse that a good speaking english guy help them out in this bizz..or show them the way to walk or learn them all or double check their sites before it goes alive. I still believe some are realy trying. But i also believe alot of people think to easy about this bizz...most still believe its easy money..which isnt the deal.

Thank God they don't tax sex :D

in holland they do, being a whore is a job here in holland....heay dont laugh:D, but prostitutes have to pay tax also thats a new rule they use here since 2 years ago:D its to freaking funny, but its realy true:D to fucking funny when they tell a mom with 2 kids who cant find a real job....well lady we have a job for you, you can be a prostitute...its a real job so you pay taxes:D

It was strange walking in Redlight district...... women on display in the windows.. strip bars all over and the legal hoes...... Netherland is strange, kewl, but strange lol.
As a 5" tall girl, I wouldn'w walk there if I didn't have a couple big male bodyguards lol.
(was in Netherland to see the tulips tho, not all the pervy-stuff..... lol)

I haven't been in this biz for many years like a lot of you guys, but I'm not looking at it as easy money either..... I've spent 8 months now from the first time i visited a forum for adult webmasters...
I've read over and over again, been looking at hubs, LL's, TGP's, TGP2's..
I've checked sponsors, and been looking at the galleries and freesites thats submitted on the different lists, to see what content is overused over time and what's not seen as often.

I bought my first adult related domain 8 months ago, and my newest is 3 weeks, but this is the first week I've actually done anything at all.
I knew it would be a lot of work, and I wanted to be sure I wanted to invest the time before I started... When I start with something I like to do it right, and I'm a hard worker if my mind is set on doing something...

To get the most back for my time, I'll try reach as many as possible, hence the use of english for non english-speaking people defense lol...

But, at least, sex is free.... as long as I'm not in Holland and having it as a living :P

Well, just about any income in the States is subject to taxation but when you get paid with cash, who's to know how much you make? :D I don't know a self respecting ho that honestly reports all her income :D Lot of ho's on welfare driving VERY nice cars...

I explained this before. The majority of people in my country don't have a credit card. They pay for porn by sending SMS from they mobile phones. Last year I've had over 700 signups but I earned only 250 dollars (yes, I need almost 3 signups for 1$).

If I got paid $1 for 3 signups I would quit selling porn and walk along the side the road and pick up aluminum cans and sell them for scrap metal |goodidea Damn, 700 signups and $250 ??? Let's work out an arrangement where your signups are credited to me and we'll split the $24,000 |goodidea :D

I think i read the thread you refer too. Wasn't the reason you only made the small amount because you were doing free trials or something similar, but if you had promoted per sign up you would have made a much larger amount. Or was it actually due to your location?

I don't see how I'm leaving money on the table by not listing sites that use poor grammar or can't find the spell check button, but I'm sure you'll tell me :D

well thats why the tax guys here just send you the tax papers infront of what they think you will earn this year, first you pay and then you have the chanse to proof you didnt earn so much and you get some money back:D

:D Great offer. I accept.
It's a two day membership and surfers don't have another option. With SMS you cannot have recurring payment. BTW The average income in my country is less than $300/month.

Give my best to Mothra.

:D

This is very complicated issue. It can't be explained with generalisations and "black or white" arguments.

There are countries where it can be done - Germny, France, Spain,... with less financial risk involved
There are countries where it would be extremely difficult to do - eastern Europe - low salaries, small number of people online, reduced payment options, bad reputation (frauds).

There are other factors involved:
1. English is de facto official world language today.
2. People hardly read text when it comes to porn. It's visual entertainment. If your English is poor you can get away with it if your tits are nice.
3. It's easiest to do English sites because all neccesary things are there - demand, developed market, quality sponsors, variety of payment options... If you opt for non-English sites you have to develop much of those things yourself which spells much more work. It would be fine if it would guarantee more income - but it doesn't.

While we are on this topic, here are a few things which I must live with just because I'm from Serbia:
1. About 50% of affiliate programs don't accept WMs from my country, and those programs are all good and reputable.
2. My reputation was tarnished by fraudsters even before I decided to do this business. How many of you really would trust me, even if I am a member of this board for several years?
3. I couldn't get a credit card until 2002.
4. I can't open Paypal account because my country is not on the list ( eBay is out, too)
5. I can't open Epassporte, too.
6. 4+5 means that I can't get submit passes to TGPs which require funds from mentioned accounts.

No complaints here, I know perfectly well the reasons for these problems. It's just a reminder how different my work is in comparison to WMs from US, UK, etc.

Now to the point - I don't sell porn in Serbia for exactly the same reasons that are the cause of my problems.

johnnybg - you're another one of the foreign webmasters that if you didn't tell me (or have Serbia & Montenegro as your location) I'd have no idea that English was not you native language. I'd trust you (to a point, but only because I do not personally know you - meaing you're not getting my FTP info anytime soon - lol)

See...I don't hate everyone :D

Spanish lesson for Stu :D
una cerveza por favor (one beer please)
donde esta el bano (where is the bathroom)
gracias (thank you)
no gracias (no thank you)

for what it's worth I tried a variation of my pay site in Spanish and got zero sales so gave up on it.
I get an occasional credit card sale from Mexico and most of the pay by phone sales to my written in English site are from Mexico |huh

Hum, will stop posting in the middle of night soon.....
I managed to make myself smaller than the average penis |loony|

Now that's comedy gold. |jester| I wish I had caught that my last time through this thread.

I actually do both but i'm fine with the English because im actually from Australia.. I have 1 Dutch and 1 US blog at the moment but im adding 1 of both.. Dutch traffic is easier to convert but its harder to get, US traffic is easier to get but harder to convert. So it's more intresting to do both. As of your question why all the non-english webmasters make english websites, the answer is quite simple. Everybody finds US pages on google and most big porn sites are US, so people get the impression that the US porn industry is the easiest to make $$ in. If that statement is wright or wrong is an entirely different conversation ^^

Greetz, Schpork

What then broken isn't man not say why the boat is any more on green under side with did not speak english and then can? |fuckyou|

to all haters one must forgets to pinpoint that porno cannot I not buy!!!! |cry|

WTF?? |confused| |haha

Man, it's getting much harder to decipher this stuff: sarcastic, witty, or something else. Shit, I give up |huh

Alright, I meant to post much sooner but for some reason I didn't find the time to do so.

I have to agree with Schpork that dutch traffic converts MUCH better than English traffic but is a lot harder to get probably because there are a lot of dutch speaking webmasters and webmaster programs for only so much potential customers. I work with a company that managed to get it's fair share of dutch traffic over the years and is doing pretty good now on the dutch market but if you have to start from scratch you really have to know what you're doing. There are a lot more resources out there that handle about English sites and English traffic so I can see why most people take that route.

And hey, if I was someone from some eastern european (no offense) country and 1 signup would make me as much as I could make in a week with a normal job. I'd be putting together a ton of sites in crappy English and throw them online even if they converted 1:10,000

So Greenie, you still keep claiming I speak with an accent now do you? :)

I had a little bit of difficulty understanding you down in Miami, but it got real bad when the Cheeto's came out :D

I'm awfully sorry about that whole mess; my Greek to English pocket translator apparently suffered from a breakdown last night and the embarassing result is there for everyone to see. I would also like to apologize for my dry sense of humour.

On a more serious sidenote this thread has given me some ideas. Maybe Swedish online porn is a goldmine, I honestly never even thought about it. I refuse to leave the English-speaking market though; if ABBA and IKEA could do it, then so can I!

[quote=MightyMidget;336214 I refuse to leave the English-speaking market though; if ABBA and IKEA could do it, then so can I![/QUOTE]

LOL, please don't tell me the IKEA dude is doing porn ;)
ABBA, well alrighty then :D

IKEA kitchen porn

Enjoy :D

Well at least the bearded dude isn't in it ;)