Sorry to hear you're having some problems with DL, but...

Why do you guys keep advising people to chargeback? This is absolutely outrageous advice!

Everyone here relies on a CC to operate their business. Charging back for received goods is illegal. Charging back leaves a black mark on a CC making it virtually unusable.

Advise people to request a refund, which is perfectly legal: not to do something which could jeopardise their entire business.

Very good point, but sometimes it takes drastic measures to get someones attention.

However as SirMoby has pointed out it's difficult to do anything without seeing the content. I'm starting to get a funny feeling about this.

Dropped you a note eyesore bri, lets talk when your online |shake|

sorry guys been in and out over the weekend and not been able to keep up with the thread, I will make a page with samples on over the next few hours and put a link to it here so that you can check them out

Im gonna have to agree with Kevin on a few things here. If I go to wal-mart and buy a couple of starter t-shirts and then in 6 months starter pulls there cloths because wal-mart refuses to pay for the product am I supposed to take the shirts back, no, its called consumer protection. It may not always work the way it should be the webmasters who bought content shouldnt be the ones to feel the brunt of this.

Wicked
I hear what you are saying, but the law may be different when it comes to Licensing. I'm advocating the buyer charges back and buys the license off the producer.

Makes the broker come to his senses, something he has not done yet as this is on many boards and he has yet to respond.

At the moment the buyer has his content, the broker has his money and the producers and the producers has dip shit. Except sympathy, which does not pay bills.

This might be hurting DL, not enough to bring him here, but it is doing nothing to help the producer.

OK guys if you go to http://www.eyesoreimages.com/dl/setstodl.htm

there is a pic from each of the 29 titles that he had if you need any other details or pics just let me know

Paul I enderstand where you are comming from because I am also a producer. Other than the whole legal/civil case issue I think it is a bad reflection on a producer to tell webmasters that their licences are invalid just because they have been screwed. You won't even know who all the webmasters are that purchased that content anyway.

Webmasters are our customers and their interests should be protected above all else as far as I'm concerned. This has happened to me and I lost thousands and I posted on the boards that the licenses would be honoured by me. Webmasters don't need this extra crap in their life because of a deal I made with a broker. It's not fair. I made the deal then I take the loss without placing any burden on the webmaster.

Kevin
I understand your point of viwe, but I disagree with you.

I think the people who bought this content from DL should charge back and pay the money to Eyesore.

All DL is doing is stealing content and getting away with it, what is to stop him doing it again and again? Relying on the fact that suing him is going to be too expensive.

Paul that’s where you and I differ. I don’t think it’s fair to pass the consequences of my business decision onto others who are innocent in the whole matter. My decision my loss. The same goes for a Webmaster. If he purchases crap content and he looses members because of it I wouldn’t expect him to turn to the provider and blame him. His business decisions his loss.

Maybe it’s because I am a Webmaster with my own pay sites that I can see both sides. If I as a Webmaster purchased content from a provider and was then told by someone else that I must charge back and then repurchase I would never do business with either of them again. Why you ask? Because I am busy and I don’t have the time to waste because you or any other producer has been screwed.

I do agree that a broker or producer that screws another should be dealt with legally as well as on boards like this. So in a nutshell you and I agree but we only disagree about the way we treat webmasters.

I agree with paul and nobody is passing this onto the webmaster I did this thread as a warning not to buy lace content and only remarked that if he is issuing licences illegally then you should all be aware of it, I have no intentions of stiffing any webmasters but at the same time we should all stick together on a matter like this and yes I own paysites too so understand where you are coming from on that point too. Yes I made a bad business decision and fuck me for making it, but as I understood it David Lace had been around for a long time and sold plenty of content, but he sure aint a good guy and when you get stiffed and u will u might apprecate a bit of back up rather than a dont pass it on to me attitude, you see legaly its simple when you talk about licences to use someones copyrighted material a licence is granted by the personwho owns copyright or on his/her behalf by someone like Lace and if the contract between his/her and someone like lace is void then they have no legal right issuing a licence so it is void and f the shit hit the fan then anyone who bought a licence from lace would indeed be sitting there without a licence, just because you paid good money for it dont make it legal, but no one has said that the shit is goona hit the fan I just want a bit of help to stop this twat doing this again

By telling webmasters to charge back is making it their problem

that if he is issuing licences illegally then you should all be aware of it

Making webmasters aware of DL's not paying is a good thing but the licenses aren't illegal because DL didn't pay you. Once again if I buy a car from a BMW dealer and the BMW dealer doesn't pay BMW USA then BMW USA can't tell me that my purchase of the car is illegal. BMW USA kicks the dealers butt. The problem with our kind of business is that each country has different interpretations of the law and hopefully DL's license stipulates USA/State.


David Lace had been around for a long time and sold plenty of content, but he sure aint a good guy and when you get stiffed and u will u might apprecate a bit of back up rather than a dont pass it on to me attitude

I have been stiffed out of over $10k and I honoured every license to the webmasters that purchased the sets from the thief. So yes I will continue with my "don't pass it on attitude" forever.

I sent you a PM letting you know that I support you and if there is anything I can do to help let me know. Because I don't agree with you and Paul on an issue doesn't mean I don't back you up when DL's is stealing from you.

you see legaly its simple when you talk about licences to use someones copyrighted material a licence is granted by the personwho owns copyright or on his/her behalf by someone like Lace and if the contract between his/her and someone like lace is void then they have no legal right issuing a licence so it is void and f the shit hit the fan then anyone who bought a licence from lace would indeed be sitting there without a licence

See Wicked's post on "consumer protection"

NotThatKevin,

I really respect you and your point of view re webmasters, chargeback etc.

I hope you don't mind me quoting just a part of your post on another board where this is a popular theme these days.

http://newbiewebmasters.com/showthre...7817#post87817

|shake|

Did I say I like your site?
|couch|

Thank you digifan and I don't mind you posting this thread on other boards :)

Thanks Kevin I do appreciate your support, and I really dont have any intention of not honouring any of the licences that exist.

Legally I will take him to court if not for the money but for the principal of the matter but after hearing lots of rumours of his intentions as far as his company goes I need to make sure that I can make it stick legally otherwise its throwing good money after bad.

I just think that if shits like this can run around doing stuff like this, and judging from the comments on this thread this is not his first time,then they should be stopped and if that means us all getting together and taking the message to the whole adult community then yes I could do with a bit of help with that, and any way that anyone could help on that front would be appreciated

eyesore bri the only way I can think of helping other than posting on webmaster boards is if you setup a PayPal account or something and the producers like myself and Paul sent you a few $'s to help with the legal costs :)

Thanks Kevin
thats a really nice gesture and your help is much appreciated, maybe for starters if we hit all the boards he might take notice and if he doesnt then legal action is the way to go and all donations would be gratefully received but hopefully we wont need to go there. I will open up threads on all the boards but will need a bit of help on the best boards to start with etc so any ideas on where to post first or indeed any ideas on a plan of attack would be good as lots of heads are better than the one and if it stops this guy shitting on people then it will benefit us all

Eysesore Brian..
 

As I'm also in the Uk I tried to contact you on ICQ.. Yet you didn't reply to my question..

Are you normally that rude ??

GFY is the place to start, then AWI, Porn City, *******, Adult Insider, Xbiz and of course here which is already covered. not sure about the benefits of writing to his CC processor, but that might work as well.

Actually, if you sold goods to DL for a price, and did not get paid, then the contract of sale is potentially invalid, which may not give him the right to resell that content or relicense it.

I would suggest that you send him a registered letter to that effect: You have failed to fulfill the contract we agreed to for this content, therefore I am revoking your license for it. You must now contact anyone you sold this content to and inform them that they are no longer licensed for use on this content.

That might change things a bit.

Alex

Re: Eysesore Brian..
 

Hi Joe
sorry I havent received anything on ICQ please try again 306457382

Not a bad idea

Get a lawyer to send it.

I posted about this on gfy.. I'd put the link here for you but I think admin has banned the gfy url.. lol

my username is the same there as here :)

Lensman also does not like links to other boards, I find it best to put up the whole story.

yeah I can understand that.. and that's what I'd usually do, but the whole story is quite a few posts here.. so I just put up a link.. didn't mean to step on any toes.. sorry if I did

Not stepping on my toes the more coverage the better as far as I am concerned as long as it stops people like him stuffing genuine people like us