Wait! 1st off, what board can't you link to from here? I don't think I have anything banned from being posted (but again, memory issues)

2nd, I was sent the threads in question & based on what I saw, it was a legit honest mistake on JR's part that turned into a clusterfuck. I know JR very well & I'd bet my house (really, it's all I have left lol) that his post was not even close to vindictive because I can't see where he was trying to get revenge on you for something.

Or am I just splitting hairs based on you using the wrong word to express your anger toward the subject?

Here's how I see it:
1 - JR fucked up.
2 - You didn't address the thread where JR fucked up (for a month anyhow) instead starting a new thread.
3 - JR apologized - and in a manner that one would think would make you:
A. Know it was an honest mistake.
B. Smile (Dr Who & whatnot)
4 - Clitpass was down for MONTHS. Regardless of if JR posted what he did or not, your links were getting pulled. You can't possibly tell me you'd knowingly leave up a dead link not knowing when or if the site was coming back. That's just stupid & poor webmastering, especially for those that link to sites/pages for a living. Like I told you about me pulling your links: my linkchecker told me your site was dead. BOOM! Deleted. Gone. In the wind. Can't have the few surfers I have left clicking on dead links & getting annoyed. I'd also bet that you lost most, if not all of your Google traffic when the site was down &/or redirecting. JR's fault?

Let me say this one more time & bold it:
Regardless of if JR posted what he did or not, your links were getting pulled.

I suggest you either get over it & move on or never mention it again. There's 7 people that post here & I'm not gonna have 2 of them going on with, what in all honesty, is nonsense.

|buddy| does exist, he just takes the shape of a lil green finger flipper on this message board |greenguy|

My 2 cents (which is really about 3 cents since I own the place |lol|)

Wow, you go drinking with old friends and spend a day all hung over and come back to this, jeez.

I don't need Pagan or Greenie to fight my battles but I thank them for saying what they did |smooch|

If I remember correctly, and I'm old sooooo, is that when this all happened you and PC had been trying to transfer the domains with no success at all. I believe nothing had been talked about for a bit and then someone questioned about Clitpass. I said, I believe that it's dead.
(btw, nobody listens to me)

I did not go around saying everybody pull all your links because ecchi now owns this, for that would be vindictive. Sorta like you constantly blaming me in an effort to give me a bad name for the failures that happened between you and pc, that's vindictive!

I apologized, TWICE, because I was honestly sorry about this and yet you cannot accept it.

So be it.

The one I appear to have just been locked out of.

I am not "going on with", I posted an explanation (to you) as to why I was not offering a link trade. Pagan jumped on this and I replied to Pagan's post. I am aware this subject is boring old news, I only refer to it when absolutely necessary (e.g. my explanation to you) or in reply to other people's comments.

Neither can I. I thought we got on OK together, which is what hurts the most.

The thread was in a lower board (TGP or Link Lists, or something like that). I don't often visit those boards, so I don't see posts in them very often.

He/you (pronouns are difficult when replying to two people at once) basically said that it was my fault for not seeing his post. Saying "sorry" is easy, Saying "I was in the wrong" is harder, saying "I've changed my mind, people should't rip out their links" is harder still. He managed the "saying sorry" but not the "trying to make it better" bit (by, for example, posting "I was wrong, don't pull your links"). And by claiming it was my fault because I did not see his post earlier kinda took away the "sorry" part too.

Yes some were. But after I discovered the post I checked the post date against my stats. JR's post was in the middle of the down period. I lost over 50% of my traffic in either the 48 hrs or 72 hrs (I forget which) after that post. And less than 10% in the rest of the down period. Either that is the biggest coincidence in the history of coincidences, or the majority of people dropped their link because JR said to do so.

I haven't got time to find the exact post, but you said something along the lines of "Time to pull the links [to ClitPass]."

At the time I exploded, and there were several posts on the matter. In the intervening year I have not been "going on". I mentioned it here because I thought you would think me a dick if I just deleted the link without explaining why I was deleting it (yes, an even bigger dick than you appear to think me for explaining), then Pagan posted and I responded to that post. But other that necessary explanations or replies to other people's comments I have not mentioned it in a long time, and have no intention of mentioning it unless other matters make it necessary.

You will also note that I have, over the intervening year, not held it as a reason to withhold conversation with JR. Conversation on this board is not excessive, most people (including me) just post what they have done without commenting on other people's posts. But when I have conversed, I have conversed as much with JR as anyone else (if memory serves, the last time was over a trip to see dinosaurs). And I will continue so to do.

However you cannot expect me to "forgive and forget". I was having a bad time at that point. My (as everyone's) online business was making less every day. My offline job was likely to die. My friend with the dogs had decided to move, which would mean I would never see the dogs again. And a doctor had told me that I was about to experience serious medical problems that would ruin my lifestyle and last the rest of my life, but that ain't as bad as it sounds, because "the rest of my life" was not going to be anywhere near as long as I previously thought it would be. On top of this, ClitPass, which was supposed to be an easy pass over had become a nightmare leading to me working over a hundred hours a week. JR was aware of this as I tend to post TMI on the board, but still he decided to stab me in the back and post that people should pull their links, with very effective results. Just what I needed at that time, another reason to step in front of a bus (believe me, there have been several days in the past year or so when I have seriously considered that). And to make matters worse, JR was someone I considered a friend (damn it, he is a fellow Whovian, for God's sake), to do something like that was a "let down" as well as a financial pain when I needed it least. Then to rub salt into my wounds his comment that it was all my fault because I had not seen his post earlier. Like I should scan this entire board every day to seek out "His divine word".

Look at it from my side. You were away from this board for a long time, people dropped out and stopped posting. Because I consider you a friend I posted several threads trying to encourage people to post (and occasionally threatened them). How would you have felt if, instead, you came back and found that I had posted "This board is dead, we should all leave it and go over to GFY." Well, I considered JR a friend too, and instead of PMing me to say "Heads up, your site is down" he posted to say "Ecchi's site is down, let's all delete his links and bury him further in the shit." (I paraphrase.)

So yes, I will be civil, and no, I won't mention this unless it is absolutely necessary. But don't expect me to "get over it & move on".

And although I accept it is your right to do so, and understand why you did it, locking me out of other places because of my post is only going to add to the strikes against JR.

Ecchi,
This will be the last time I mention this.

Read the following with a tone of compassion because that is how it's suppose to be read.

You may be right in that I stated pull the links. I don't remember because as you know I was going through my own personal issues.

I did apologize, yes I mentioned you should of saw the thread not because it was all your fault but own part of the blame for it is your site. I also said that if I had the |tardis| I'd go back in time and do things differently.

Yes, I considered you an okay guy and had no hard feelings towards you at all. So when I stated whatever I stated it was made with no malicious intent.

Someone probably should of PM'd you and nobody did. I accept that I did not and that was an error on my part. Believe I said this before but maybe not. Memory and personal issues have the last year and half sort of foggy.

As for the certain lock out, don't blame me or put it on my shoulders. I don't have that power and when asked what I think, I said I didn't think you should be.

Now, I understand that your were hurt by all this but you gotta let it go. I made an honest mistake that was not intentional. I thought the site was dead because I would have moved on.

To prove that, Greenie and I purchased Jack Daniels sites a long ways back. A script was suppose to come in that dragged on and on. I felt so bad about this I told Greenie he can just have the sites to sell off and keep proceeds because I was the one that knew the guy that didn't come thru. He said no, we'll figure something out and the sites ran with all of Jack Daniels links and hosted galleries on them for years. We just got them going, this thread should be a clue.

He wasn't wrong in telling webmasters to pull their links to a dead site. I don't even know why he would have bothered apologizing to you. He was doing a favor to those who are actually aware of their sites and need to pull dead links before Big G fucks them. Simple as that. It was business, not some sort of secret vendetta. Get over it.

My biggest link list, at its best, got around 5-6k visitors per day. Now, on a good day, it won't see 200 - and it has THOUSANDS OF PAGES. So it goes.

I can't have this toxicity on the board any longer. ecchi's gone & won't be coming back. I've wished him the best.