Dravyk
my stuff is highly classified but to anwser your question
there are preferred submits.
but its based on a points system and points are built up over time

as a submiter builds points the script will start giving him more and more clout

points are lost and gained by the submits and habits of the webmaster if the page changes after its listed .....

its gonna react as if you are a cheater

these scripts arent ment to worry about billys or johnnys submits
they are made to quickly move thru thousands of submits

Makes good sense to me, Tommy. :)

Drav
if you have problems gettin listed at my site drop me a email :-)

Dravyk...just a thought....why not put up your own TGP and list your galleries, rotating the banners with tgp traffic that you buy to get the testing part done as quickly as possible. There are excellent traffic sellers out there that are moving the same traffic that a lot of the large TGPs get. This would get you past the test phase the quickest with no worries about scripts.

As someone mentioned there are TGPs that take 6 months to list your galleries which would throw a wrench into your idea of testing sponsors quickly. Some of the largest sites even take long periods before your gallery will show up.

I understand both sides as I know the large amounts of money that are paid to reviewers to sift through the 1000s of submits everyday, so looking for a script that take care of parts of that is just a good business decision.

Dravyk, I've got an idea for ya -
Instead of making sponsor-specific text ads or using sponsor's banner ads, use a generic banner or sales text. Just one that doesn't mention the site name.
Then rather than sending the click to a sponsor, send it to a php redirection script that will instantly bounce the surfer to whichever sponsor you like.
When you have enough traffic to sponsor A, just switch the redirect code to sponsor B so surfers get bounced over there.

In the end you're still testing conversion rates between sponsors, without worrying about getting banned and ending up like this little guy... |angry| (he's so damn cool, hehe)

Thanks, Tommy!

Linkster, I'm debating ways to do those tests (especially under the circumstances of scripts, as Cleo mentioned, that won't allow that even if owners would.)

That is very much a possibilty what you said. Obviously any TGP tossed up even a month would only give a slight idea (compared to the amounts the top 30 ones can toss in a single day.) I also agree that buying traffic for testing (via Choker, Spot Galleries, etc) is another possible (if more costly) answer.

Ok, here's a BRAND NEW question ... of those people who accept paid gallery placements, does anyone know what THOSE folks do? Do they just side-step a script completely or have scripts that allow "anything"? I've looked at some of the obvious paid galleries at some places and it seems (within reason and morals and such) that anything goes that a gallery submitted normally would never be able to do.

Here's the rub, Carrie. What you suggested is the same thing that most folks won't allow via the banner rotator. The banner rotator does the same thing. What I mean is, that has been my plan, to make niched galleries, change out the sponsor banner and the link URL on the text to test the sponsors.

While the link would not change (and so that should get by the script IF it got by the owner/reviewer) the change (as someone said earlier) in the size of the different banners would however trigger the script. Maybe. Depends on how the TGP scripts cheat function actually reads a changed page. If they do it by weight, no go, if they do it by change in HTML, a banner rotator code will work depsite the script. That's the next question to figure out. :)

Sheesh it's tough to make a buck some days. :)

I was thinking along similar lines:
I don't mind if you send the links to your own full-page ad WHICH CAN BE ROTATED! I check full-page ads and reject them if they lead into pop-up hell or open a dialer, but even permit them if they have (let's say) 2 pop-ups which can be easily closed (better than some sponsor tours...).

In the manner I'm describing, nothing would change on your gallery. Not the link, not the banner. (Remember I said use text/banners that don't mention site names - you'd need to make custom banners yourself if you insist on using banners.)

I'm getting the feeling you're wanting to test out different *banners* rather than different *sponsors*?
If so, that wouldn't work with my idea, but if testing different sponsors it would work.

PS on your paid gallery placement question, every site I've looked at that offers this has it stated right up front that your gallery, even if pre-paid, *must* still conform to the normal rules. No breaks just cuz you're paying - your 'break' is that you're guaranteed a listing and that's it. ;)

That's correct :)

Appreciate the answers, suggestions, info and input!! Gives me a lot to think about.

Knew this was the right board to get the responses on what I was seeking! |bananna|