Exactly what is it you think I'm unfamiliar with and what new ideas have been presented in this thread?

The only reason we got to this point in the first place is because I made a simple statement on page one that I thought using the word condom in a domain name would be counter productive for a porn site and would only make sense for a site that benefitted from promoting condom use. That's my opinion and FurryGurl is welcome to disagree but since Larry Flynt and most other pornographers agree with me, I think she's preaching a losing sermon.

So, what is it you think I'm unfamiliar with?

p.s. Running the online operations for Klixxx does not automatically predispose me to not having or not voicing my opinions. Be sure to tune into my new radio show in a couple of weeks and you'll hear even more of my opinions.

It's a little inappropriate that you spam your show (and indirectly another board) on this one.

As long as your opinions and thoughts remain as editorial, then free speech triumphs. Once you crossover into the 'educational' aspects of Klixxx University or their other properties, your lack of insight, objectivity and preparedness damages not only your own credibility, but that of the organization you represent.

I don't see anything innappropriate about it and moderators for other boards post on ours with their resource centers in their sigs as well. Board owners don't appreciate other board representatives posting links to their boards in their sigs, but reps from YNOT, Cozy Frog and other 'resource sites' post with links on other boards all the time. There's also a big difference between participating on a board and just dropping in to promote something. Kath Blackwell posts on this board as well and has a link to Klixxx in her sig and to my knowledge no one has ever had a problem with it.

I have not once brought up Klixxx University, you did, and I didn't 'spam' my show, you just took it that way. I was simply pointing out that I'm opinionated and have no problems sharing my opinions.

However, you still have not explained how it is you think I'm uniformed and now have a lack of insight. I do not think forcing models to wear condoms promotes condom use, it's that simple. If you disagree, that's your right and I'm happy to hear how you think differently, and if your argument is compelling enough, I might change my mind, but telling my I'm uniformed accomplishes nothing.

Well surly your emotions are getting into the way of your reading. If you read what I said it's rather basic. Here I'll break it down for you.
1. this topic is out of hand and has gone from talks about using a word in a domain name to a full blown out safe sex campain.
2. My comment is no differant then the fact if you keep poking a dog with a stick you should expect to get bitten at some point.

In todays world with so many things going around that can kill you, to go out and not practice safe sex is stupid. Let's remember something here condoms have two uses.

1. To aid in the prevention of spreading stds
2. To aid in preventing unwanted pregnancies.

But both campains have fallen on deaf ears. How many people think just because you are married you now have the right to have a child even if you can't afford to raise one in this country? Fact here is this. It's not my job to promote such things, why? Because history has shown most people are going to do what they want, regardless of what anyone tells them. Smoking is a fine example of that, it kills people everyday but yet people still do it and that is what make people stupid.

Yet again, you've paid no attention to what I'm saying, so please try re-reading my posts. I have never once advocated "force". I have never once advocated that the government should regulate condom use in our industry. I haven't even advocated that all porn must use condoms. |crazy|

Your arguments all rest on debating things I've never said, like "accusing" me of making money because, despite my multiple claims to the contrary, you think that my position here is that none of us should ever charge for anything.

If you think that featuring condoms in porn is too a radical "full blown out safe sex campain [sic]", then what exactly is this realistic condom/sex ed "campain" you speak of? Because in all my travel around the US, I've never seen this mass educational project to get people to use condoms that you seem to think exists. (Aside from a few condom ads placed by condom manufacturers in publications that allow it, and grassroots orgs passing out condoms at events.) And actually, I don't blame you for it, since most people seem to think that it's some kind of US government/school project to teach people about safer sex, when, in fact, the US government and schools work against safer sex education as rigorously as they can get away with.

My interest in sexual matters is not limited to how to sell porn or how to look cute on cam. I spend lots of my time researching sex, sexual health, birth control, gender/queer studies, sex work, sex ed, abortion rights, access to healthcare, and all sorts of things in both a historical and contemporary sense. So, I keep up on things, like reading sample texts from popular high school "sex ed" curricula that teaches teens that condoms don't really work anyway, so "just don't do it". (Even when teens who have gone through abstinence-only brainwashing have shown to fuck more than teens who have safer sex education; the only difference being, one group knows more about how to avoid STIs and pregnancy through barriers.) The outright lies that are being taught to "our" children with our tax money is horrifying. It is something everyone in America should be riled up about, because we are paying for it in a number of ways.

So, please, see just a bit of the context in which you're saying that only dumb people don't know how to use condoms or don't use them at all. You can't really blame someone for not having the best sexual practices/health/attitude when their whole life they've been told that condoms are ineffective and *all* non-marital sex results in shame, pregnancy, disease, and even suicidal ambition.

Like I said, it's all a big big issue, and condoms in porn isn't the one magical solution. But, it is one positive thing that we can do, since we're the ones that people look to for ideas.

Let me ask you something. Do you use condoms? Do you practice safe sex? Maybe none of my business but why are you so stuck on this whole thing? Safe sex campaigns where the norm in the late 80's early 90's but after Magic Johnson out lived the deadly aids, people stopped listening. Learning about safe sex, like everything else starts in the home.

There have been and still are adult movies showing people with condoms on and all they tell people is the person wearing it or receiving it probably has something or is concerned about getting something. When I see images or movies with such things I don't see a company that required their actors to be tested. I see a company that just wanted to make a movie and did not care who was going to be acting. I see actors who needed cash so bad that they are willing to risk their lives for it, in hopes that the condom won't break. Surly they have not seen any documents stating the person was recently tested. If they had and they‘re still requiring the person to wear one then there is a fear in place that is well justified but just stupid to ignore to the point of taking such a risk. But did it ever make me put one on? Hell no! Will it ever make me put one on? Hell no! All it made me think was someone in that image has something that can kill the other person.

I never said that dumb people don’t know how to use a condom. I mean come on, how hard is it to figure out. Sure maybe you break the 1st one the very first time but after that if you can't figure out how they work maybe you should not be having sex in the first place. And if that is the case then you are dumb. They’re no different then putting on a jacket, shoe or hat. Leave one with a 5 year old child and they will figure it out rather fast (clothing, not the condom). But my point on the dumbness of people is simple. If you are going to be with someone you barely know and you both have not been tested, and you are still willing to have sex with them with out a condom, in today’s world you are dumb. Just like playing with a loaded gun. With all the violence you see in the world from them, if you are going to play with one then you are dumb and most likely will pay a heavy price for it sooner or later. If you can’t figure out from all the media and TV shows that a loaded gun is something that can kill you, then you are a dumbass.

I have never ever heard anyone say condoms are ineffective. I have heard people say the only way to be 99% sure you won't catch anything is by not having sexual contact at all, but never that a condom is ineffective. Maybe they’re telling you that in Washington state but then again, I don't know. Last time I was there the people seemed smarter then that.

You’re talking about looking for a solution a solution to what? STD's? Under age kids having kids? You’re correct there is no one magic bullet to fix all this, but fact remains it will never be fixed and trying to fix it is a waste of time. Trying to promote a way to fix it is a waste of time.

So now you’re going to what? Jump on me and say I'm lazy and should be ashamed to just sit back and let people die. News flash it happens every minute of the day and honestly everything that relates to a persons life starts from the home. I really do believe that in 99% of the causes of every problem we have in this world can be traced back to the parents. But that’s a whole other issue, but it’s the real issue that needs to be fixed. Raise your kids proper, to respect themselves and others and most of these issues will go away. In today’s world most parents are to busy to care, but very quick to point the finger, never ever placing blame where it belongs, on them. If they took to time to promote such things as love, honesty, peace, responsibility, respect, political awareness, education and yes proper sexual practices and physical hygiene, instead of making a buck is all that matters. Then you would not be concerned with this issue because it would not be a huge issue in this world.

Regardless of what I say we are never going to see eye to eye on this. I am from an old school, where hitting your children is a good thing, where a hand shake means something. Where your word is all you have when you die, so make sure you live up to it. Where respecting your family enough to teach them good values is all that matters for a real man. I am not of the tree hugging way of life. I do not believe in fixing others problems before fixing your own. I believe in standing up for what you believe is right and that furrygirl is about the only thing we have in common and for that I respect you. You have shown here that you are intelligent and very educated and I would think you would realize there are better things to do with your time then try and save the world.

The smartest man to ever walk this planet said "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

Juggernaut, I can't even figure out what your point is, other than that you believe in hitting children and you will never ever wear a condom.

My argument has never been that all porn has to include condoms, but for some reason, I've said that like 4 times and no one has actually read it yet.

Both of my male partners (I'm polyamorous) and I have made the decisions, after a period of time where we were using condoms, to be fluid-bonded and stop using condoms between us. We get STI screenings, and I'm on the pill. Because of the level of responsibility inherent to maintaining an open relationship, we all trust each other to not be engaging in higher-risk sexual acts without condoms when it comes to other people. For the three of us, this level "safer sex" works, even though there are *always* risks.

I firmly believe in people choosing their own level of sexual risks, so long as they are making informed decisions based on knowledge of how to properly use contraceptives (for heterosex) and safer sex barrier methods (like condoms, dams, and gloves), and their and their partner's STI stats to the best of their abilities. (Meaning, knowing that testing can have inaccurate results or their partner could have picked up something recently that is not showing up.) I personally think that many people in this world engage in sexual conduct don't qualify on one or both of those counts. That's not a "judgement", but not everyone is going to go down to the Planned Parenthood with every person they want to bang and then wait a couple of weeks for result, and repeat in 6 months to see how things look.

So, back in the world of one-nighters and infrequent STI screens, I do believe firmly in safer sex. If I were to bring home with some random dude tomorrow, I'd get a rubber on him before his pants hit the floor. I'm a realistic person, and in the real world of non-committed hookups, condoms get my absolute endorsement.

Anti-sex brainwashing programs in public schools greatly play up how ineffective and useless condoms are. If I had more time, I would do some research for direct quotes, but I don't think you're that interested. The goal of "modern" "sex ed" is essentially to tell teens that having premarital sex will seriously scar them for life, that there are deadly diseases out there, that everything is just to frightening and morally wrong, and that birth control and condoms aren't terribly effective at all (as a part of the whole scare-tactic theme). Oh, and that all those supposedly problems are magically solved once you say, "I do", because, you know, no one has ever had an unhappy marriage.

I was doing some reading on one of SIECUS's sites, so here's their page about your so-much-more-enlightened New Jersey: http://www.ncsse.org/mandates/NJ.html There's some good news with Trenton, the school board actually shot down some abstinence-only speakers. But, look at these excepts on Newark:

I'm not saying that any US state is really any better, but sheesh, New Jersey is hardly the glass house from which to insinuate that other people backwards hicks in the sex ed department.

If you're looking for a longer read than those representative little snippets, try SIECUS's booklet about scare tactics and sex ed: http://www.siecus.org/pubs/tsha_scaredchaste.pdf You could even print it out and read it on the can!

One of the sex ed programs used in schools that I've had a chance to read parts of is Sex Respect. From the student FAQ on their site:

Am I the only one who is seriously disturbed that young people are being taught that by having sex outside marriage, they "suffer terrible costs–physical, emotional and psychological damage" to such an extent that they might kill themselves? It makes me sick to see such true meanness fed to people, especially impressionable young folk, and it's so sad how few people have even the slightest idea what is being taught in US schools these days.

So please, don't try and argue with me about what you "assume" is being taught in public schools, because you're not going to win. I keep up on all sorts of sexual matters as best as my time allows- be it a cute new butt plug or what Miers thought of Griswold V Connecticut. (She'd never heard of the case, BTW!)

This is just some of the context where my statements throughout this thread are coming from. There really isn't much "sex education" apart from porn sites this days, which is quite unfortunate, considering the "educational" value of so much of the junk out there. Sure, there are some awesome parents, committed non-profits like http://www.scarleteen.com, and politically active groups working to establish a better sense of sexual education and access to sexual healthcare for people of all ages, but for the rest, there's PORN. For that and other reasons, I will always argue that it's unfortunate to see that the direction so many porn people push for is to see how much more violent, degrading, inaccurate, and simply stupid they can make their content.

Believe me, *I* don't want the collective "you people" to be America's sex educators anymore than you do! But, it remains: people look at us to figure out how to fuck and get new sexual ideas for what they want to try, for better or worse. So pretty please, let's not knock condoms quite so quickly, and let's give Cooless a nice supportive hand in tapping a new and interesting niche that could make sales for himself and all the delightful sponsors out there.

So, I guess you guys are done argueing now hehe...

I think I will take the advice to make tons of free galleries and the maybe later on start my own link list.

now all i need is a nice huge list of sponsors with not so over used content for download. I have lots of free time on my hands. Just trying to find a way to make some extra money to modified my new Lotus Elise .

I would appreciate it if anyone can provide me with a list by catagory or whatever. or if you have any other advice... please contact me

ICQ: 15052107 AIM: toodum2getsum EMail: webmaster@cooless.com

cooless, this is always an excellent starting point when looking for sponsers http://www.greenguysboard.com/resour...ors/index.html As for the 'not so over used content' I'm sorry to tell you, but you'll probably find that you're better off buying your own.