Originally Posted by HowlingWulf (Post 431192)

Ok, so how many uniques do you think is 'quite well'?
For me, a TGP gallery does 'good' at 50k uniques and 'great' at 100k uniques.
Do you know your CTR (Click-Through-Ratio)? In other words, what % of uniques from your gallery click through to your sponsor(s)?

Originally Posted by Star Man (Post 431193)

Fonz pretty much nailed it.Let me attempt to break it down for you as well just to drive it home.After all,repetition is the best way to learn something new.

For now on,let's refer to your main site http://sexysascha.com/ as your hub.On this page you don't have to follow any rules so you can do whatever your little heart desires although I recommend keeping your current design or something similar because it looks great.|thumb

Now let's move on to free sites and galleries.

This http://sexysascha.com/free181/swedishteen/ is called a gallery.TGP's list these.Surfers click through these quickly and usually pass up or don't even notice your advertisement.It takes LOT'S of traffic to benefit from these types of pages.

This
http://www.crazyfetishporn.com/frees...x/matureadult/ is a 'mini site' called a free site.Link lists list these.Surfers have to do a bit of surfing before they get to the porn.It's sort of like saying 'heres your porn...but first the bullshit! The bullshit is where you make your money!

Most everyone at this board is into mostly building and listing 'free sites' like the one I listed above.Although every 'free site' has it's own unique look and design,they all maintain a standard structure to them - a waring page, a main page, and 2 or more galleries. This never changes.



Were the ones with the free porn here and were running the show so if we feel like making surfers go through 5 pages of bullshit to get to the porn not only are they going to like it,their going to beg for seconds!Were calling the shots here!We got em by the balls and their credit cards! :D

Originally Posted by Kisa (Post 431195)

Ah HA! It's sinking in! So the freesites are almost like be baby versions of your main site? And are used to promote sponsors etc? Okay, but this is where I'm confused... please hang in here with me..... but aren't there are all sorts of rules about how many links/banners can be on a freesite etc? This confuses me.

Originally Posted by Kisa (Post 431195)

but what is actually on those first two pages seems to vary widely? yes? no?

Originally Posted by Kisa (Post 431195)

And another question: are there any benefits to submitting a TGP?

Originally Posted by Kisa (Post 431195)

I owe you guys so much- believe it or not, I do have some skills so hopefully there will be a way for me to make all of this up to you later..

Originally Posted by Kisa (Post 431195)

Okay, one more question. With all the free porn out there, how does one compete? Like with this guy (and I'm sorry if you're around on this board but I don't understand) anyway, this guy: http://www.spankwire.com/ When I see that I get thrown all off course....

Originally Posted by Kisa (Post 431195)

Thank you for everything and I will make it up to you somehow!!!

Originally Posted by MrMaryLou (Post 431126)

Kisa, I gotta ask after all the great information you have been given why would you submit this as a free site? to http://sexysascha.com/free181/swedishteen/ It's not a free site at all.

Originally Posted by Kisa (Post 431211)

You're sort of like the Special Ed teacher for the board! :)

Originally Posted by Star Man (Post 431193)

Were the ones with the free porn here and were running the show so if we feel like making surfers go through 5 pages of bullshit to get to the porn not only are they going to like it,their going to beg for seconds!Were calling the shots here!We got em by the balls and their credit cards! :D

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431248)

Yeah that's exactly what the guys from rapidshare, sharedimages, imagefap, usercash, linkbucks and a half a dozen torrent sites were saying the other day.

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431248)

The "we got 'em by the balls" era is long over and half past dead.

Originally Posted by Star Man (Post 431250)

I don't know about those sites so I don't get the reference but I take it that those sites are shutdown or something?



That wasn't a figure of speech.I/we grab them by their nut sac,drag them to the join page,pull the credit card out of their pocket and say 'Buy a pass mother fucker!'.Thats how it's done!It's called making a sale.

Not only is "we got 'em by the balls" alive,it's well!|headbang|
(cute huh?)

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431252)

You really have to get out more often :)

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431252)

Anyone who thinks they have the surfer by the balls is just perpetrating a lie about this industry.

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431252)

"We got 'em by the balls" is unfortunately over. Stop talking bullshit.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 431263)

Do you have a learning disability? You have completely miscomprehended what Star Man said and seem eager to create an argument over it. NEVER did he say that we have the surfers by the balls. He's saying that we have to lead them toward the sale. Perhaps they didn't tell you on that short bus, but some us are here to create sales, not continually hand away free porn with hopes of a 1:6000 ratio.

Originally Posted by Star Man (Post 431193)

We're the ones with the free porn here and we're running the show so if we feel like making surfers go through 5 pages of bullshit to get to the porn not only are they going to like it,their going to beg for seconds!Were calling the shots here!We got em by the balls and their credit cards! :D

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431307)

The above quote has to be one of the most misleading bits of self-promoting drivel I have read in a long time!

You keep running the show and keep your head buried in the sand while the rest of us go out and deal realistically with tube sites, torrents and P2P networks.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 431321)

Again, you are either an idiot or deliberately misinterpreting what is being said.

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431324)

Nice spin... I suppose I could say the same thing about you. :)

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431307)

Judging from the reaction of Starman and uw, I'd say I hit the nail on the head :)

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431307)

The above quote has to be one of the most misleading bits of self-promoting drivel I have read in a long time!

Originally Posted by Star Man (Post 431256)

Realize I'm attempting to explain the concept of a free site to a girl that doesn't even know what one is and whose friends are telling her that the extra pages are 'annoying to click through' or whatever.My advice isn't for porn geniuses like you ok ned? We all know that ned02 knows EVERYTHING there is to know about the porn industry! Happy? :)

Originally Posted by ned02 (Post 431307)

You keep running the show and keep your head buried in the sand while the rest of us go out and deal realistically with tube sites, torrents and P2P networks.

Originally Posted by Star Man (Post 431354)

original quote
Quote:
We're the ones with the free porn here and we're running the show so if we feel like making surfers go through 5 pages of bullshit to get to the porn not only are they going to like it,their going to beg for seconds!Were calling the shots here!We got em by the balls and their credit cards!
the dumbed down version so ned02 can understand it
Quote:
Online Porn is like a TV show.And just like watching a TV show we have something called commercials.Surfers do have to see them to get to the free porn and they don't mind at all, in fact they keep surfing at our sites all night long and many even bookmark us.These surfers DO click on our sponsor links and they DO pay for porn memberships

Originally Posted by Star Man (Post 431358)

Gee,Krista starts talking about porn tube sites and all of a sudden your running tube sites and link lists suck huh?Your obviously on some fucked up disinfo campaign here.Who do you think your fooling dude?

Originally Posted by Kisa (Post 431254)

I just can't get past sites like this pornhub.com

Originally Posted by Kisa

Are the distributors and studios going after sites like that one or is it just being accepted? It can't just be accepted... the studios, distributors, etc would stand to lose too much money if they don't start getting control of at least some of it...

Originally Posted by Kisa

But I go back to my original theory which is, I have no problem making the standard three page freesite (that I completely did not understand before) but I still don't know why anyone would wade through layers of links and then click through several pages when they can just go to pornhub or youporn??

Originally Posted by Kisa

I would also add that submitting freesites and posting those links, etc is obviously the 'right' thing to do but if no one is pushing back against fucktards who are stealing content and posting it in its entirety, then everyone is doomed.... I got over the whole 'share' thing years ago when I finally had to start working. But it's hard to convince some little shit in a dorm room that people don't actually work for free so he can get off.... posting all that content is stealing but if no one's going after them then I guess it's theirs for the taking??? I don't know... I have no idea what's being done to stop it.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 431373)

Please don't link to sites like that in the future. (Typing the full URL allows the board software to automatically create a link.)
Yes and no. Many, maybe most, studios and license owners are constantly on search-and-kill missions to remove their content from sites infringing on their copyrights. But as along as a few scumbag sponsors, e.g., AdultFriendFinder, Brazzers, etc., continue to support such sites with ad revenue, they aren't going away - and since non-tube webmasters continue to promote sponsors like that, the funding for tube sites is not being choked off.
The key is to get the surfer to your site first. Chances are, if they aren't already surfing stolen porn on a tube site, they either don't know about them or they're searching for something in particular. Grabbing those unspoiled surfers is typically about search engine optimization (SEO). If you can get your pages higher in the search results than the tubes, you get the first chance at the sale and the opportunity to keep that surfer away from the tubes.

Why would a surfer "wade through layers of links" to get at the porn? It's funny what a person with the will to get off will do. Certain surfers have always been willing to work their way through our labyrinth of ad spots during their search for whatever it is that works for them. Why do I PAY for television programming and still deal with commercials? Because that's how it is and they HAVE ME BY THE BALLS. (Hi ned.) A desire's need to be satiated overrides logic.


As a lone webmaster, you can't do much. The key is to remain focused on your pages, your sites, your little piece of the web. You're an intelligent person; think of ways to get those surfers before the evil empire can. Have your pages set up to immediately grab any porn surfer's attention the moment they land on your site, even if they were searching for a (goddamn) tube site.


Many sponsors now offer embeddable Flash videos for use on your pages. One of my favorite sponsors, MovieRoom, just launched a great embeddable Flash movie player. If you put that movie player above the fold on your pages, a tube surfer will probably think that he/she has landed on a new tube site. It plays short clips, but it allows the surfer to view several clips, even change channels, without leaving your page. (It's available in multiple dimensions and you can choose which niche you want loaded first.)


Optimizing for tube surfers/non-readers doesn't mean that you need to hand them a bunch of porn up front. Keep a good balance of SEO text and smartly named images. Give samples without giving away the farm. Providing more free porn than the next guy won't produce more sales. Tube sites are proof of that. Their ratios are reported to be absolute shit. But once you build Frankenstein, it's damn hard to put him down.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 431373)

Yes and no. Many, maybe most, studios and license owners are constantly on search-and-kill missions to remove their content from sites infringing on their copyrights. But as along as a few scumbag sponsors, e.g., AdultFriendFinder, Brazzers, etc., continue to support such sites with ad revenue, they aren't going away - and since non-tube webmasters continue to promote sponsors like that, the funding for tube sites is not being choked off.