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Jim 2005-06-10 08:17 PM

I'm sure it is out there but could someone post a link to a mainstream news site that talks about 2257. Nothing old...something current. Like I said, I'm sure it's there but I can't anything. Probably just my poor searching abilities.

Greenguy 2005-06-10 10:20 PM

The problem with that is that the term "2257" is only one that we as porn webmasters use - if you look at the mainstream articles on that dipshit that got sentanced last week, they just stated that he violated a Federal Law.

I'm sure every Federal Law has a number, but how often do you see it in the newspaper?

Greenguy 2005-06-10 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim
By Monday, I will have at least 10,000 pictures linked from thumbnail pages and I will post the url to them all....

At your current picture posting rate (Harley Shed) that would be a Monday in 2038? |couch|

Love Ya! |blowjob|

airdick 2005-06-10 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
The problem with that is that the term "2257" is only one that we as porn webmasters use - if you look at the mainstream articles on that dipshit that got sentanced last week, they just stated that he violated a Federal Law.

I'm sure every Federal Law has a number, but how often do you see it in the newspaper?

That guy wasn't originally charged with a 2257 violation anyhow, he worked out a deal to plead guilty to a 2257 charge. From what little I could find about the story, I'm not even sure he ever actually published any of the photos he took.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=229352

Greenguy 2005-06-10 11:07 PM

I didn't see that article by AVN - glads they posted the truth on that :)

But back the the current topic of this thread - here's the articles published by the mainstream media:
http://www.uticaod.com/archive/2005/...ews/29758.html
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork
Quote:

...Federal law requires photographers to verify their models' ages through identification documents and keep records. ...
"2257" was not mentioned, but we all know that's the law they are referring to.

BTW - "1182" is the law for Inadmissible aliens |waves|

madleinx 2005-06-10 11:10 PM

Jim, you are the man! |headbang| I wonder what DOJ would do if the entire online adult industry simply refused to comply :) I wish I had the money to take on this fight....

Here's the link to CNN's coverage of the signing of the regulations:

New rules to crack down on child pornography

What a crock.....

Mavic 2005-06-11 01:47 AM

US Gov is fucking with everything right now, I'm close to giving up broadband. Tring to cut out porn and p2p sharing, what else is broadband for? Might as well revert back to 300 bps and Compuserve.

troy 2005-06-11 06:31 AM

Thanks Jim Finnaly someone talking some sence in this whole bullshit.

Please Stu relax to what sponsors are you reffering?

Can't we all focus on the fact that the conversions are way down and what is cousing this

Jim 2005-06-11 06:37 AM

Remind me Greenie in July when I see you that I owe you 1 ass kicking :)

Jim 2005-06-11 06:39 AM

I just wonder why it is only us talking about 2257 and no mainstream media...None. It is called 2257, not some federal law. Find me some mainstream media that is talking about "2257".

And if I need to, I will ask Sparky to help me with the pictures. :)

Qon 2005-06-11 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim
When a law is wrong, it is our responsibility to break that law.

thanks for posting this |thumb



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Greenguy 2005-06-11 07:56 AM

madleinx posted a link to CNN - how much more mainstream can you get?

I will agree that it's not getting the coverage that they give a brain dead lady in Florida or a kid touching pop star, but then again, this stuff is rarely talked about in polite conversation outside of our little world :D

BTW - I did want to say one thing to everyone - Jim has his opinions & I have mine & a lot of time we disagree - this one just happens to be in public & that's fine with me, because that's what this board is for - discussion.

I don't advise anyone to take Jim's or my opinion on this subject to heart - neither of us our lawyers.

|buddy| Be With You

Jim 2005-06-11 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy
madleinx posted a link to CNN - how much more mainstream can you get?

I will agree that it's not getting the coverage that they give a brain dead lady in Florida or a kid touching pop star, but then again, this stuff is rarely talked about in polite conversation outside of our little world :D

BTW - I did want to say one thing to everyone - Jim has his opinions & I have mine & a lot of time we disagree - this one just happens to be in public & that's fine with me, because that's what this board is for - discussion.

I don't advise anyone to take Jim's or my opinion on this subject to heart - neither of us our lawyers.

|buddy| Be With You

I still owe you an ass kicking :)

Jim 2005-06-11 08:10 AM

One last thing...I promise.
Back in the day when there was a real threat, it was on the news daily.

Cleo 2005-06-11 08:17 AM

Did someone say ass kicking?

Counter offers…

stuveltje 2005-06-11 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by troy
Thanks Jim Finnaly someone talking some sence in this whole bullshit.

Please Stu relax to what sponsors are you reffering?

Can't we all focus on the fact that the conversions are way down and what is cousing this

lets see i got an email from squirtingcarly.com (i use them )saying:
Effective June 23, 2005 Affiliates will no longer be able to use SEXUALLY EXPLICIT content of Carly to Promote her site. If you have any images of Carly that are Sexually Explicit, they must be removed. This decision is set for 100% of our affiliates, no matter where you are located. SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts. If you have a special project planned, contact me about hosting it for you. I apologize for the inconvenience, the new regulaltions are forcing all of us to make changes. Thank you, Carly.
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Now since i have sites and galleries around from her with her sexual content i need to rmove those.

Then i got ATK cash email:

If you are hosting any ATKINGDOM content (including banners) that is hardcore in nature, we respectfully ask that you remove this content immediately. While in itself, we would consider hardcore promotional materials from our site to be a violation of our TOS and subject to closure of your account, the new 2257 regulations mean the penalties for noncompliant US webmasters are MUCH worse than just having your account terminated.

Then extreme paychecks is dropping some paysites , well i promoot soe of those dropped paysites with their content, so i need to remove that too.
and i expect more emails from sponsors about it.

stuveltje 2005-06-11 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stuveltje
lets see i got an email from squirtingcarly.com (i use them )saying:
Effective June 23, 2005 Affiliates will no longer be able to use SEXUALLY EXPLICIT content of Carly to Promote her site. If you have any images of Carly that are Sexually Explicit, they must be removed. This decision is set for 100% of our affiliates, no matter where you are located. SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts. If you have a special project planned, contact me about hosting it for you. I apologize for the inconvenience, the new regulaltions are forcing all of us to make changes. Thank you, Carly.
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Now since i have sites and galleries around from her with her sexual content i need to rmove those.

Then i got ATK cash email:

If you are hosting any ATKINGDOM content (including banners) that is hardcore in nature, we respectfully ask that you remove this content immediately. While in itself, we would consider hardcore promotional materials from our site to be a violation of our TOS and subject to closure of your account, the new 2257 regulations mean the penalties for noncompliant US webmasters are MUCH worse than just having your account terminated.

Then extreme paychecks is dropping some paysites , well i promoot soe of those dropped paysites with their content, so i need to remove that too.
and i expect more emails from sponsors about it.

so Troy after reading those emails, still say fuck the 2257? yep i can say that , so i will loose my accounds i am not gonna fuck up 4 years of hard work...i realy dont see a point in that, do i agree with the 2257 hell not, and i am not an US person, yep i have US host (they cant be blamed for the things i do) but the sponsors are trying to protect themselfs and do follow the rules, and since those sponsors send me an paycheck...i have to follow their rules.Easy pick! :D

tickler 2005-06-11 07:22 PM

Stu, I'm starting to see quite a bit of that stuff.

Sponsors forcing non-US WMs to follow US rules, 'cause they don't want them to have an unfair advantage over US WMs. Guess my foreign sponsor content is going to go up.

Cleo 2005-06-11 07:31 PM

If a sponsor is going to force me to design in an uncompetitive way then I would stop using that sponsor.

You don't sell cars by showing bicycles
|skyfall|

Trev_UK 2005-06-11 07:59 PM

Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!

Jim 2005-06-11 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK
Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!

Nice first post
Thank you for your informed comments.

Jim 2005-06-11 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK
Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!

I suppose with your thinking, Gandhi would have made your moron list as well. Or, the gentlemen that participated in the Boston Tea Party. Or, any Vietnam war protester that peacefully broke the law by not moving when being told to.

Jim 2005-06-11 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK
Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!

You know what? Fuck You, you piece of shit, you. Your first post on my board and you call me a moron? That was your first and last post here.

Toby 2005-06-11 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK
Excellent advice Jim!!!

Hell lets all go and break all the laws we feel are unjust!

You’ve just made onto my morons list!

I suggest a little remedial summer reading. This title isn't on the best seller list, and I doubt it has a comic book version.
Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau |cool|

Jim 2005-06-11 08:36 PM

The fucking guy is an idiot Toby.
Civil Disobedience, to me, is a duty for Americans. If it was not for Civil Disobedience, we would still be living by the laws of England. And so would India.

Cleo 2005-06-11 08:37 PM

Life is a cabaret in Berlin…

Jim 2005-06-11 08:37 PM

And, there would still be segregation. And so many more things that are just wrong. Just because the government says something is right, doesn't make it right.

Jim 2005-06-11 08:38 PM

It's not right to talk about the guy without him being able to respond. I am lifting the ban.

Cleo 2005-06-11 08:38 PM

Amazingly it is no longer a crime to be gay in America

Jim 2005-06-11 08:39 PM

Ban lifted... I admit I jumped on that ban button too fast.

Jim 2005-06-11 10:05 PM

After reading the morons post, my wife is calling me Rosa Parks :)

Kinky 2005-06-11 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK
You’ve just made onto my morons list!

you can't even form a proper sentence you fucking cocksucker

you have just made IT onto my moron list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

plateman 2005-06-11 10:50 PM

You Guys are crazy - jim blew a fuse and a new poster comes on and calls him a moron on his own board, You think he made a few other peoples moron's list ??

Useless 2005-06-11 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by plateman
You Guys are crazy - jim blew a fuse and a new poster comes on and calls him a moron on his own board, You think he made a few other peoples moron's list ??

He's on mine. I'll chase his every fucking post if he decides to come back. I have the feeling he's a just a hit and run cocksucker anyway.
|slice

Kinky 2005-06-12 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior
I have the feeling he's a just a hit and run cocksucker anyway.
|slice

there was a link to this thread in a GFY thread, I'm surprised that the sheep haven't been in here in numbers just to stir up shit.... anybody with comments like that regarding 2257 is a complete fucking idiot, whether you are trying to comply or not any webmaster worth his salt knows that 2257 is a bullshit way to get rid of "obscenity"

obscene - (ob-seen) adjective: anything that makes the human pee pee stiff or vagina wet (taken from: the religious right wing dictionary)

Trev_UK 2005-06-12 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim
I suppose with your thinking, Gandhi would have made your moron list as well. Or, the gentlemen that participated in the Boston Tea Party. Or, any Vietnam war protester that peacefully broke the law by not moving when being told to.


Jim you are a world away from those people!

I do apologise for pumping one off so quickly but after all the years I would never have expected you to give such novice advice, albeit your view and you’re entitled to it.

Saying that you feel all unjust laws should be broken is all well and good, but how many people reading this board (that actually have sites) will see you as a hero and follow you?

Breaking the law peacefully is still breaking the law, it would have been better to advise them to comply imho.

Trev_UK 2005-06-12 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kinky
you can't even form a proper sentence you fucking cocksucker

you have just made IT onto my moron list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol, fair enough!

I'll pay more attention to my grammar, diction and such!

Trev_UK 2005-06-12 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by plateman
You Guys are crazy - jim blew a fuse and a new poster comes on and calls him a moron on his own board, You think he made a few other peoples moron's list ??

Oh I’m sorry! I didn’t realise that with Jim owning this board it allowed him to post foolish advice and views whilst being exempt from criticism.

Trev_UK 2005-06-12 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior
He's on mine. I'll chase his every fucking post if he decides to come back. I have the feeling he's a just a hit and run cocksucker anyway.
|slice

I’m honoured you would feel the need to chase my every post.

swedguy 2005-06-12 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK
....but how many people reading this board (that actually have sites) will see you as a hero and follow you?

Breaking the law peacefully is still breaking the law, it would have been better to advise them to comply imho.

I think you have to us a little more credit than that. We're not in 3rd grade anymore. I think we're old enough to make up our own decisions.


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