Check your ICQ Greenie haha

I sorta know who he is now (and oddly enough, he's part of the reason this board is here, but that's another story that he probably doesn't even know about) but my opinion is still the same.

If I was a traffic broker, I'd be on this panel to promote the buying & selling of my traffic & would not even mention the concept of generating your own traffic.

lol.....
Hey had an idea came to AVN with it, i came to you as one of the very best of the biz, and at that time maybe timing was not right, or what ever.

You really had know idea who i was or you still dont...so i dont blame ya, i may have done the same thing, or maybe not.

:D

I knew that you ran a program (I've been promoting you since June 04) but other than that, I still don't know much about you :D

Interesting.. we threw a similar idea at them about two years ago.

But, we recommended them using their own traffic to test as well as posting some of the reputable folks comparisons like |greenguy| and creating something like a "consumer reports" type analysis.

Okay GG, no more LURKING FOR ME |thumb

I am not going to go to that seminar if you are not on the panel, so I guess I'm not going :D

I'm not going if he's not on it either. See, this is how boycotts start. |viking|

Thanks for the sales and the great traffic, we have some cool stuff coming up.
All the Dirt on Mike Hawk and Smashbucks.........

|pimpin

Believe it or not Greenie but I told my lovely wife Vickie this story and she believes you are worth a min of $5k :) Could have knocked me over with a noodle.

I guess at the end of all of this, what really bothers me is that unless we were making a fuss right here right now, AVN would blissfully go on it's way entirely ignorant of the sheer numbers of people they are pissing off and alienating as they go.

Greenguy, take the money, do the seminar... but don't do it for free. They are going to make an assload of money off of you and people like you, so why not get paid for the effort?

Just a thought.

Alex

I can add 1+1 on that that equation.

The vintage smashbucks stuff does convert quite well.

It's actually 3-1=2 :D

F-J=V ?

:D
Thanks Jay!

Let us know what you decide GreenGuy. If you can get them to pay for you to speak opening about traffic generation and management you could be opening the door for others willing to speak just as openly and make it even more beneficial for attendees to get their money's worth.

Oh....I'm doubt I'll be speaking at an AVN sponsored event & will be looking into doing something in private with a handful of board members.

Now you make me want to come to Vegas in January :)

Yes you should. We could split a suite |bananna|

I'll throw in some Cheetos to make it worth your while |pokefun| Fonz

That's a nice offer (I think :D) but I just realised that I'm in Austria then, breaking some arms and legs.

Or you could point out some important people like you did in Miami. I would have never recognized Peter North in that strip club or that former pro football who's name I've forgotten already. :D

Linkster offered to provide the Cheetos and I can provide the booze. With that combo I'm sure the girls would have a ball decorating your nude butt :D

I would do the panel.

I think the benifits of getting the greenguyandjim name in front of more people is a good thing and would ultimately benefit you and the board.

Kath told me all the old-time original webmasters lived on Cheetos and Mountain Dew...

We will look forward to seeing you in January |greenguy| - been a long time since Cybernet Montreal...

Red Hot Flaming Cheetos and the Dew...

Or if your Andy Dunn and on the weekend... Jack and Coke.

And some live with Cheetos on them :)
Hi Fonz |waves|

http://www.greenguysboard.com/miami0...hursday056.jpg

Ok, so this is going to be one of those lifetime lasting things? :D

btw. we're getting off topic :)

You better believe it Cheetos boy! :D

You could be doing that here on Mt. Charleston. Betty Boob boards (LMAO) when she comes to Vegas.. |mml|

In addition to just bumping an old thread - I did notice that AVN has a new rep that introduced himself on another board - guess this one doesnt rate AVNs time - but he was asking for suggestions - I really had to resist asking if they had ever thought of possibly doing a webmaster show :)

Whoever he is....they arent paying him enough.

They fucked up by loosing Aly.

I'm still waiting for AVN to invite me to chair a panel on rapport and diplomacy. :D

|haha

Criminy you all are merciless.

Cut the guy a break and let him learn to swim before you drown him out in criticisms.

Aly was great in many respects and I like her but the simple fact is that she was simply a spokesperson, albeit a good one because of her charm and gracious wit. However, she was not a program OWNER, a link list OWNER, a TGP,MGP OWNER or anything else in terms of being the genius behind building a company. She was a rep and people often confuse REPS with OWNERS. She was paid to be at shows. She was not a leader. She was never a programmer. She didn't control traffic descisions. She was an employee who went to shows to put a face with a program. And that is still her role.

She will be the first to admit that.

So if the new guy needs to establish relationships and wants to start helping communication and effecting change then give him a friggin' chance. Let him establish himself on his own merits just like Aly had the chance to do.

I am still irked by the passive aggressive nitpicking hating on AVN... how many have picked up the phone or written an email to them to actually deal directly with them and form a relationship by letting them know how you feel?

Far-L - we'd welcome him with open arms before we started to throw tomatoes |tomato|

Seriously, I was gonna try to find him on Monday & see if we could get him over here for a civil discussion.

I'm a lot less angry about this now that Russia hates me :D

Greenie my love...
despite the fact that I'm often unsociable and unreachable I think you're worth millions. The amount of information that you've shared with people over the years for free has been more than generous. If they don't know who you are the reason why should be perfectly clear. There are those who are part of their little network of circle jerks and monopolistic video clan and those who are not. In that respect, I would consider you the king of "the other". |headbang|

If you choose to share at Internext do it because you have something to say. Id decide what your minimum is then ask for 4 times that. Decide in advance whether the exposure itself is worth your while then go with what you feel isnt exploiting you. I personally think that you're MORE than necessary to make the panel worthwhile.

Much love!

I miss Andy