No contradiction - Venetian sells out and people like to find cheaper rates at other hotels.

The problem this year is that with the show running at the same time exact dates as CES, there are no cheap hotels in Vegas. The city is as packed as it ever gets, the lineups for meals, bars, taxis, limos, and just about everything else you could want will be insane, and you get to pay a premium price for all of it.

Move the Vegas show even 1 month later, and suddenly hotel prices would drop to reasonable, the city would be more relaxed, a little warmer, and nobody would be suffering for it.

Anyone else notice that shows like Pheonix, the Cybernet shows, and such have seen an upswing in the last couple of years?

Hmmm...

Alex

Greenguy
What Alex is saying is Harrahs and other hotels are usually way way cheaper. But because of the CES Harrahs is $500/night as are the other hotels. For people who stay at the Venetian and booked early there isn't much of a price difference, you are right there.

Just got these prices off of Hotels.com right now for Harrah's:
2 Jan - C$57.27
3 Jan - C$57.27
4 Jan - C$511.89
5 Jan - C$584.35
6 Jan - C$584.35
7 Jan - C$584.35
8 Jan - C$161.28
9 Jan - C$128.56

Sorry for the C, that is Canadian dollars. LOL The price jumps from $50 to $500, that's Fucking insane.

Oh, my first show in 2001 was $125 and it was that price for another year or 2.

2000 -2003 the early bird special was $125, and $150 afterwards.
In 2000 & 2001 there was actually a referral program on the badges, where we received $10 from AVN for every badge purchased through our code.

It sort of is - like Farley said last night when I asked him about just renting a hall/convention area & letting us find our own hotels, AVN's POV is that it's better if we are all in one place & have the hotel to ourselves & don't annoy anyone or bump into families & whatnot. If they truly felt that way, they'd look into getting a hotel in Vegas (probably off the strip) that was just us where what he said about Miami would hold true.

Point is that if it's ok for one, why not the other?

Alex & Ramster - I agree 100% that the rooms at any hotel near the conventions are priced really high, but like Farley said, more people wanted both AVN shows at the same time & the squeaky wheel gets the grease. We're all just stupid for not telling AVN that the way they were doing it was just fine by us & assuming that they'd realize that the hotel rates would go thru the roof (How long have the blocks Rose had been sold out?)

emmanuelle - thanks for the info $125 thru 2003, $170 for 2004 to 2006 is exactly what I was wondering (I have no point to asking, just wondering - LOL)

OH! It's a moot point, but a little birdy told me that there's no major convention in Vegas from Jan 8-11 & only 1 starts on the 11th way down at Mandalay Bay :D

Interesting. I remember the last time I went to Florida I gold Starwood and was quoted lower rates for the week before and the week after show. The rates weren't a lot lower but like $15 to $20.

Why is it higher during the days of the convention then it is on other days?

Can't we find another hotel some where else in the country in AUgust that would be cheaper?

We suggested that ANYPLACE in the continental US in August would be fine (high 70's, low 80's here in Buffalo at that time of the year - just a lovely time of the year) & Farley did say that he would have them look into the possibility of having the August show in a different city & he was taking notes.

Jim said Denver |thumb

GG, I think Rose was sold out by early September... basically as soon as the Miami show was over, every found out how totally fucked January would be and started booking.

I called them and got the "only a few big suites left" deal... those were expensive at the time (but now not far out of line for a regular room at Harrahs).

Now, let me tell you a little bit about shows, and why there is the hotel room thing:

Basically, almost every hotel that has a convention center attached to it runs the convention center to put guests in the rooms. There is often a direct tie between number of square feet taken for the show and the minimum number of rooms that the show has to guarantee to get the space. Anything less than that number, and the show ends up paying for rooms that it cannot use out of pocket.

Go over that number, and there is a small travel agent style commission made.

If they didn't do that, the cost of the show floor space would likely be double or maybe even not made available.

By compressing the time frame of the shows together, AVN also benefits from having to deliver less rooms for less days (Instead of maybe 1000 room nights per day for 7 days, they maybe only have to deliver 1200 a night for 4 or 5 nights, example) because the space for both shows at the Sands is always tied up for the full 10 days or so (they cannot run another anything with a porn show at that end of the building).

AVN cuts their entire show time down by 3 days, saves themselves a butload of money, gets rid of the new years day load in costs, and the bottom line looks much better as a result. They can lose 10-20% attendance and still come out far, far ahead.

It is short sighted to the max... but it does improve the bottom line.

Alex

Get that little birdy to find out what a block of rooms (500 or so) cost during that time frame. Looking at Harrah's, one would be saving $1K just on room cost alone

I had a nice long post but changed my mind.. decided just to "tweet and chirp" on my own.

|deadhorse

The Venetian has to love having us, since if you booked thru Rose, you not getting that room comped at all, regardless of how much you gamble.

In 2004 I was at The Venetian for 7 days (6 nights) and I think I paid for 2 of them (since I am a degenerate gambler)

While I'm for anything this side of the Mississippi if they're not tied to any city in particulr then they might want to consider something centrally located. Denver, Chicago, Indy, St. Louis, Kansas City ....

Of course Buffalo has some good webmasters there :)

I can't fathom the $$$ being talked about here. As a comparison, I go to a trade show in Vegas every April, NAB, the #3 largest show of the year. Last year, my cost less money spent on drinking, whoring, and gambling...$1000. Thats for 4 nights of the show, networking on the exhibit floor, flight, etc. Now I didn't stay on the strip but the hotel I stayed in, the only thing between it and the convention center was a parking lot.

Walrus, you hit the nail on the head. Done on almost any other week of the year (except pure holidays) there would be enough $50 hotel rooms to go aorund for everyone, enough cheap flights, and only normal size lines for stuff.

Vegas is a really nice place in the spring and fall (after the heat dies down).

Imagine being able to go to 2 or 3 shows for the price of one.

I am starting to see why people do the speciality shows and the regional events rather than doing the AVN shows...

Alex

you would think with all the buisness they get from us at one time a discount would be in order

I am sure there is a huge discount but avn and rose tours pocket it

I have to agree otherwise we would see significantly lower prices by the hotels.

I doubt it given that CES alone supports the largest convention in Vegas each year. Expanding the city's population by somewhere between 200 - 250K each year. The Venitian would be booked whether AVN/Internext was there or not. They have absolutely no incentive to offer big discounts.

Correction it was only around 150k in attendance last year for CES

So now an example of why the prices are higher - I go to the mailbox yesterday and there is a shiny black envelope - legal sized - with a poster from Internext in it - with a caption at the bottom - make sure to register early by Dec 2 :)
Why waste the money we are giving for the passes to send out advertisements to drum up business - to people that have already registered???? And send it so that it arrives after the registration cutoff??? What a waste and just another example of the mis-management of the whole show

I got mine yesterday too. The first thing I thought was "Is this a portent of things to come?". Meaning the demise of Internext in relation to our industry.

I think so.

Goddammit

I just got 2 of those postcards in my mailbox. I really don't need the mailman knowing what I am involved in.

I try to never spread rumors but, I heard the words, "15% kickback" being floated around.

15% kickback from what?

Linkster: Tell us what date it was mailed on... If the mail was slow - is that also AVN's fault?

Also, why shouldn't they continue to market the show to people that are most likely to refer more business? I think you could likely put anything they do into a negative light but there are definitely two ways to look at the situation in your example.

So let me get this straight... first you are complaining not to get the magazines and now you are complaining that you got a plain black envelope...

er... please go and re read my post

I received 2 large postcards, not envelopes, with adult themed text all over them. I'm sure my postal carrier got a giggle out of it. Discretion is the issue here and a plain black envelope would have been lovely.

Since they can manage to find me to send their useless advertisements; I do wonder why they cannot locate me when it comes time to the magazine.

Far-L - I have no idea when it was mailed - I would assume some time in the last week based on when I normally get checks from the same location (Las Vegas)
The point was that they are wasting money by sending out something trying to get me to come to Internext - when I already signed up 3 months ago.

Note I did not say it was from AVN - I said it was from Internext - also known as Internext Show Management

I know you was not born, but did you ever see the movie "The Postman Always Rings Twice"? :D

I don't spread rumors. But the words Travel, Hotel and Amenities were also mentioned.

Since we both received the same thing on the same day I doubt there was any postal screwup.

I received mine today. Postcard with adult words and such "the worlds largest adult digital media expo". Mailed from San Fran.

Not discrete, not subtle, and certainly not to the liking of everyone involved.

Just as importantly, considering this show is running the same time as CES, sending out "sign up now" cards less than 30 days before an event in a town where hotels are effectively sold out is a major league waste of money.

Jim: Kickbacks... basically, if the show makes the number of rooms nights they require (I am suspecting close to 1000 room nights average for a 5 or 7 day period) they will get an amount equal to the travel agent commission, or other financial or non-financial spiffs for hitting the goal. It can also be a reduction in the cost of the show floor space, or not having to pay an surcharge for failing to make the number. In the overall scheme of things, it isn't the biggest number in the game, but it is one of many ways that a very large show like this can pad the numbers. They probably wasted most of that spiff money mailing out these cards.

Alex

I received the postcard in early November. I'm talking about the legal size envelope with the fold up.

Has anyone here complained to someone at Internext and or AVN?

The postcard issue is easily correctable and would have zero to do with whether or not anyone is profiting on it.

I guess those of us who have never been and most likely never will attend an internext don't have to worry about indiscreet mailings. :D Hell, if they won't send me the magazine I subscribed to months and months ago, they certainly aren't going to send me any invitations. They do manage to send quite few daily emails that are now routed directly to my junkbox.

I got mine yesterday tho i doubt if my postman even gave it a 2nd thought considering the amount of Useless mail i get already. Not in an envelope. and no cancelled stamped date..

I'm sure that wouldn't be the case of someone who would be attending from oh say Alabama or Iowa or some other non - porn friendly state which is about OH 49 others.

and since this is from a supposedily tech savvy company, you'd think they could run a query in the database and pull out those who'd already signed up.

oh but that's just me.

I know I have... on the phone, in email and in person.

And Ive complained about them selling my personal information to Girls Gone Wild as well for marketing.

They havent given a fuck in the past.

Yes I did as I stated in this other thread you were involved in - first post of the thread - and then I emailed and there was no answer ever about it

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=postcard

Do you work for AVN? If you do then why don't you or someone at AVN know exactly when the mailer went out? To answer your question, yes, if AVN sent out the mailers they should accept responsibility for the mail being slow. That's part of being a professional organization that provides a service to its customers. Either the mailers took 6 weeks to be delivered or it was poor planning and since it seems that AVN doesn’t know the date then the evidence points to poor planning.

Of course poor planning isn’t a big deal if you accept that it was poor planning and focus on fixing the issues.

I still want to know whay AVN email dont have REMOVE links!



DD

We'd love to attend both
 

but we're faced with the old cant be in 2 places delima [sp?]

The prices this year are simply to high.