Glad to hear they understood |thumb
|bow|

No worries, just want people to understand that. I have only dropped about 6 or 7 links in about 8 years I think, and none of them had anything to do with this. I will re-evaluate everything in the next week or so and decide what to do then. Rest assured, if I intend to drop any links, I will make every effort to contact the other party.

I just started using the google webmaster tools to check how it see's my sites. Not sure if it would show why it may be ranking your sites different, at least as far as tbpr, but have you guys tried using it to see what they see?

yeah jennyM since my no PR pages are aired out to the public how about yours....you said you didnt have any

http://adultlinkpost.com/nude-redhead02.htm cashe date feb 2nd 07

captainJ has them also http://debauchery.com/free-sex-pics-teens_2.html 0 PR and a march cashe date

young and teen girl all over the place, maybe thats why is has a 0 pr google assumes its a bad neighborhood:D

you be surprised who all has supp pages and no pr pages and free sites now since google is a cock

|haha

I thought his post was funny. I thought the other post was hilarious.
When did you lose your sense of humor?

Plateman, I don't get you. You attack, then apologize, then attack again. You keep making references to me because I pulled your link. Hell man, your whole site, except for your index page, has got some sort of problem. Sorry, it's not my fault that something happened to your site. If I knew what it was, I'd certainly tell you, but I don't. Read my original post in this thread.

I was going to start a post letting folks know that I pulled some bad pages from my links section. I had no intention of doing it and not bringing it to their attention...just the fact that I posted here shows that. Most of what I pulled had the same kind of things that Preacher pulled when he started this thread.

Yes Plateman, I pulled the links to your category pages, in my judgement they have the potential to be detrimental to my site. I don't know this for sure and I had no intention of broadcasting this to everyone...you did that. Had you PM'd me I would've been glad to share everything that I know, and my theories, with you, and explain why I felt it necessary to pull the links to your category pages.

Now you're going to "throw shit at the fan" and try to point out that I have some pr=0 pages? You are correct. The particular page that you pointed out is a secondary page for that section that I created recently. It has currently has no incoming links so I doubt that it has a penalty from Google. I do have 26 pages in the supplemental index...let's not forget about that. Do you know how many you have in the supplemental index? I do. Matter of fact, that weighed more in my decision to pull the links to your category pages than the pr=0.

My intent was not to attack you, or bring up your dirty laundry in public. Understand, I am not obligated to link with you nor do I need your permission to pull your links. All that honor dictates is that I let you know about it and this post certainly meets that.

You are kidding me right?? You did all of that research just to show a couple of pages that were CREATED in January?? I believe I said I had never LOST PR...not that I didn't have any pages that were PR0. And, a cache date of Feb 2nd on a page created the end of Jan is not too bad...wouldn't you agree?

captainJ I am pulling the index trade we have

jennyM the same thing

spaceman the same thing

and thats it, I just dont wanna link to your sites anymore

Honestly, if I thought for one second he meant it as amusement, it would have been funny. But IMO, DD is like that bitter, lonely old man in the neighborhood who hates all the kids and hollers at them from his front door. With every post he has ever made, he comes across and rude and condescending. He is honestly the one person on this board that I can not stand, so maybe I am a little sensitive to his posts. I can admit that:D

I really can't believe people act this way over a business discussion. I never once dissed you or your sites. But...whatever. Your links have been pulled. Don't forget we traded on main page and submit page as well.

No prob plateman. I truly hope your site loses it's penalty and that you end up doing well.

Yup I know all gone here

its not a penalty read what matt cutts says about

As a reminder, supplemental results aren’t something to be afraid of; I’ve got pages from my site in the supplemental results, for example. A complete software rewrite of the infrastructure for supplemental results launched in Summer o’ 2005, and the supplemental results continue to get fresher. Having urls in the supplemental results doesn’t mean that you have some sort of penalty at all; the main determinant of whether a url is in our main web index or in the supplemental index is PageRank. If you used to have pages in our main web index and now they’re in the supplemental results, a good hypothesis is that we might not be counting links to your pages with the same weight as we have in the past. The approach I’d recommend in that case is to use solid white-hat SEO to get high-quality links (e.g. editorially given by other sites on the basis of merit).

Honesty, from the bottom of my heart, with every bit of sincerity that I can conjure forth, I truly hope that you all continue to ignore Bill's advice and allow your little lists to crumble. I could really use that very minor boost in traffic. |boobies|

My new slogan: Live by Google. Die by Google.

well If you created that page in jan going by your group it's already penilized

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...&start=10&sa=N

adultlinkpost.com/nude-redhead02.htm - 23k - Supplemental Result

I am sorry, but that sounds EXACTLY like a penalty to me.|huh
Not necessarily a "you are doing something bad" penalty, but a "we are doing something different, and don't like this" penalty from Google.
You seem to think for some reason this is personal, and that couldn't be further from the truth. I am truly sorry you felt personally attacked. I simply wanted to have a nice business discussion, and find out what others were thinking. Unfortunately, very few people participated in the discussion, and it turned into an emotional debate instead of a business one.

LOL
Based on the info YOU supplied, the supplemental is based on PR. That page hasn't achieved PR yet, therefore being in the SI is no biggie. My other BRAND NEW pages are there as well.

we will see I am done posting to PR bots

|boobies|

An interesting read for sure. As of a few weeks ago I've been trying to think of a way to change my existing trades that are recipricol into a>b>c trades, with my new LL being the 'C' link. Unfortunately it means work on the part of my link partners changing links they have to my old(er) LL to the new one.

As a general question that might even get a bit lost within this thread, is it safe to assume that generally speaking people would be ok doing some changes on their LLs to benefit both parties by creating a>b>c links, which definitely seems to be what Google prefers?

I'd hate to open another can of worms and piss off my existing trades by asking them to point my links they have up to another page and create a 'fuck me Jel is more trouble trading with than it's worth' scenario.

For the record, some of my internal pages on cfnmparty.co.uk have recently gone to PR0 and show in supplemental results. So I've probably been dropped by some anyway :D

Oh now that's just not right! |catfight|

And I'm moving all thaqt stuff to my blog |thumb

While that may be true, I have to admit, the guy knows his shit.

That is very true - and fortunately one of the nicest guys Ive worked with in the industry |thumb

Oh...and HI DEB!!!! |waves|

yup he is, DD is good people in my book and the friends of his that I know are too

Since this thread is obviously not going to be productive, I will make a few comments, and bow out.

I have never said DD was an idiot. I just have a problem with his delivery. He basically comes in, says "all of you are fucking idiots" and leaves. That being said, I am sure he has been pleasant in personal dealings with some people.
However.......
He is great? All his friends are great? This just comes off as typical message board ass licking.

Since it is obvious from this thread that I can be a bitch, :D I will concede that fact. But, I am not here to kiss ass or stroke egos. I will bring up what I think is a discussion worthy topic. And, if I believe I am doing the right thing, I will defend it to the end. At the end of the day, there will be those that disagree, and that is fine with me. There are certainly no hard feelings on my end over a business discussion. I won't pull links, decline sites, or be a bitch to someone in the future based on a message board disagreement. It certainly wouldn't have caused me to pull plateman's links. If any of you feel differently, then you should back up, take a deep breath, and maybe come back later.|thumb

On that note....happy Friday the 13th to all|bananna|

why is that linkster can say dave is a nice guy and so on, but I can't and am called a ass kisser and stroker?

I should have pulled the links and moved on and told you guys to kiss my fuckin ass a lot of posts ago

Where else in the world is being in agreement considered ass kissing? Of course, it's always the person who disagrees who calls it that.

There have been many, many occasions where it has been insinuated that I kiss GG's or DD's ass. Trust me, there's no point in that. They see through it and don't respect it. And anyone who is a regular reader of this board has seen me openly disagree with both. I just don't call them cocksuckers or cunts during the argument. :D

Back to the point - during SE discussions here, I have read that the sites which link to you may be as important as who you link to. BUT that doesn't necessarily mean that where one's pages fall in the results is of any great impact. Losing those inbound links, in my opinion, is more likely to cause you problems than maintaining them; assuming those sites are not SE spammers.

Steady as she goes is my rule of thumb.

If you think you are declining in the SEs, you should probably look internally instead of assuming that its the fault of your linking partners. Hell, an improperly setup, or unhealthy, server can cause you huge issues when the bots come-a-knocking. If you are not failing in the SEs, then there's probably little point to this conversation.

Reviving this one - just got an email today - site is edited out but thought it was interesting that they considered the fact that other sites might leave links up to them after they pull all outgoing link trades - more interesting is that when I visited the LL I noticed that they had broken their categories down into pae 1, 2 etc and no cat link trades were on the first cat page at all - and this is before they started pulling links???

"Hi,

We really appreciate the link exchanges that you have done with us over the past years.

We have some link lists that are performing poorly in the Google SERPS and we're trying to figure out why. We've looked at a lot of on-site factors and made adjustments without much effect so far. We're now looking at the off-site factors that we think may effect rankings. This is not a "knee-jerk" reaction. We've been studying and experimenting since October on sites that started trending down at that time.

We think that google may have identified certain sites as part of a link farm (for lack of a better phrase). We think that this link farm consists of somewhere between 50 and 100 sites. If you look at the SERPS and go to the back (the 1000th result) and start looking forward you'll see a lot of pages from sites that are part of the same group of link exchanges. We not saying that these sites constitute a link farm in the usual sense like free-4-all schemes, but that Google may have tightened up their definition of link farms.

We are conducting an SEO experiment to see if we can identify this as the case. To do this, we are going to pull links to all sites on site. We are doing this because we really have no way of telling which sites/pages Google considers part of this link farm and which are not. We want to let Google spider this site for a few weeks and see that it is no longer linking to the same group of sites, then see what effect this has on our placement in the SERPS. We're not making any statements as to whether any sites are penalized or artificially dampened.

We apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause you. We encourage you to watch the SERPS to see if our experiment works. Please feel free to contact us at any time and we will gladly share our thoughts and findings with you.

We certainly understand if you want to pull your links to our site. It may help you to do this...we just don't know at this point. We own close to 400 sites and the only links we're pulling are the ones on site edited out.

As you know, sometimes SEO is just trial and error. A lot of the webmasters that we've spoken to have expressed the same concerns about linking to a big group of sites that all tend to link to each other. The only way to find out is by experimentation. This is what we are doing, we are trying something and letting all of our link exchange partners know up front so you too can watch the results, and hopefully benefit from this experiment too.

We are not ruling out putting links back on this site after the experiment...we just want to give it some time with no link exchanges on this one site to see what happens.

Again, thanks in advance for your patience and understanding."

Funny thing is this very same site that sent out this email has evidently already pulled the cat trades - but their second page of links - which is where I assumed they put the link trades isnt there - and the free site submitters arent going to be happy with this:
"robots" content="noindex,nofollow - on the cat pages after the newest page

I like how they say, "Your sites and links may be considered part of a link farm (but our _four hundred_ sites are innocent victims.)".

The experiment, however, is a valid one. It would be interesting to see what happens.

However, since they know that not everyone will get around to dropping their links, they know the experiment is invalid because of all the inbounds. Naturally if you kill the reciprocals by dropping the outgoings from your page, increasing the number of oneway incomings, you're going to enjoy a short burst of relevance at other peoples expense.

So, lets say that the experiment _would_ be a valid one, if everybody jumps quick and kills all their links to that domain.

Interesting...

it really sorta good that this going down like this and see what LL owners are gonna start stabbing in the back

plus all the old LL that enjoyed years and years of a good income from google and thought they would never loose it was wrong, if you cant afford to loose a few LL se traffic that you own for a while then you didnt choose your biz model well...

I know for one I am gonna contact a few other LL's that I have index trades with to dissolve them, when I see prolly over a 100 hardlink trades on a index that IMO is a link farm

The whole issue here is that anyone can interpret Google's definition of a link farm - I guess all those blogs out there that recip link on their first pages willnow be considered link farms if you follow the same theory to its conclusion - add to that that there are many LLs and TGPs in the top 100 that have exactly the same structure (and link partners) the whole concept falls apart

I have never pulled an honest working link trade and have no plans to begin such a practice.

Of course I don't have the huge trades I see on many sites these days...I prefer old school trade partners.

Hahaha.. Linkster you should name them! I know that I want to know who they are so that I can make sure I avoid them!

People need to stop blaming Google and other sites for their 'misfortune', and concentrate on their own 'work'. Additionally they should start ignoring all these theorists that only come up with crap to explain their own stupidity or laziness.

The "rules" for ranking well in google have not changed in years since it arrived.

If you have regularly updated relevant and informative content you will rank well.
If you have and continue to gain incoming links to your sites from other quality and relevant sites you will rank well.
Do both and you will out rank everyone, and who you link to will have absolutely no influence on anything..

Based on some peoples theories, if Microsft linked to Plateman then Microsoft's ranking would fall.. What a crock of shit

Hi JennyM |waves| - is that arrogant enuff for you!?

DD

While the core basics have pretty much remained the same, how they are interpreted has changed and continues to change. This can be said for other large search engines also.

I got the same e-mail as Linkster and I was thinking the same way as Bill. I also was hit up on ICQ by another webmaster saying basically the same thing. I was going to start a thread the other day, see how many people are doing this, as one person told me "many" webmasters are taking about this, though I've only seen a couple mention it.

Like Bill is saying, how many webmasters are not going to get the links down right away. Also, how many won't even know about it? And why are these people not posting on the boards to try and let every one know?

someone pm me the LL that is doing this or hit me up

I agree
And that's worth printing out . . hint hint

I read an article recently and I wish I could remember where it is but I can't. It addresses this issue, to a degree. A web site can't be penalized due to the sites that linkt to the site because the site doesn't have any control over what sites link to it. (Think D*sney is going to be penalized because porn sites link to it? Not a chance. D*sney has no control over who links to them) On the other hand, if there is a recip link in place, would that make a difference? I don't know anything about a site being penalized but it would seem that if two sites exchange links and they both have relevant content, i.e. a Lesbian cat. page linking to a Lesbian cat. page, then that would be a good link exchange.

I just noticed I missed removing a link to one of captain J sparrows network "sex on the internet" http://sexontheinternet.com/

I checked my trades a good while after this thread and my LL and sex on the internet were still reciped
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ernet%2ecom%2f

not now, but look I am still linked to him, and you can't tell me he didnt know it....look at all the radical seo he done to his network....he played me for a fool...and lots of other LL's by pulling there links and NOT telling hardly any of them....

he also fucked over the webmasters who submitted to him in the past that had to wait 6 months or a year to get listed if they were lucky...

you guys remember....

sure we had it out about the category trades that HE dropped from my LL and others, but was burns my ass is he didnt have the common courtesy to tell me he is pulling the links on "sex on the internet"

captain j - you are a slime ball snake in the grass no good cock sucker

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF