What spin control? You don't agree with me. So what? You're nothing to me. You disagreeing with me doesn't harm me or my opinions. If people reading this thread agree with you, I don't care. If they agree with me, I still don't care.
No, ned - you're the non-genius who doesn't get that. You can't seem to express your opinion and give advice to Kisa without first attacking our opinions. You're the one who told Star man to "stop talking bullshit" because you disagree with his statements. You could have ignored what he said or respectfully disagreed and continued to dispense your own, but, for whatever childish reason, you had to declare that his opinions were bullshit.

You are fucking child. Buy the way, my income has increased over the last 4 months. Weird how someone could possibly make money while not agreeing with the almighty, yet unknown, ned, huh?

Well, as stated, there are many, many ways to sell porn. Was that not obvious or did it just dawn on you?

Again, you're a child.

Once again, you can't disagree with someone without referring to their opinions as "bullshit" or "nonsense." Of course, they're neither. We're discussing time-tested and proven ways of making sales. Just because it's not the same path that you follow, doesn't mean that it doesn't work. I assume that you simply don't know fuck-all.

I can't help but get let out a little giggle each time I see you stuck on this little point which you like to spin.
Why do you think that the people here don't know that? This isn't big news here, nor any other industry board. I don't know why you feel it necessary to condescend, but I assume it was the way you were treated during your formative years.


You may be surprised to hear that a fair amount of people make their living with free sites. They're not for you, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the free site isn't a viable tool. Oh, that's right - anything that you disagree with is nonsense and bullshit.

I'm not angry.Believe it or not I get a kick out of being a prick if someone deserves it.

Now your just trying to push my buttons.Nice try.

Even though your a pain in the ass,I shouldn't have resorted to name calling and I'm sorry that I called you a fucking idiot.

Ned02, its sounds like you obviously have everything under control on your end. With that said why are you here? maybe you should take you "successful" ideas and run along with them. If creating enemies on webmaster boards is apart of your business model, well done.

Geez fellas, I don't know what to say. (but I'm sure I'll think of something)
I sure am glad that you take my opinions seriously enough to try and shoot them down.

Yeah, free sites are viable but their base is quickly being eroded in favor of tube and torrent sites not to mention the porn BBS's that look just like this forum but every post contains more free porn then you will find in 100 free sites and at no charge too!

It isn't that the advertising isn't there, it's there alright just in a different form, sometimes much more bold and in your face and sometime subtle like the page peel add or the IM pop-up. The point is it's dynamic and adaptable and the level of participation between surfer, webmaster and affiliate has changed tremendously.

Looking at the rules to get your static, don't you dare change it, free site listed on a link list is like looking at granny's old school book. It's amusing and way out of touch. How quaint.

Just a few more of my humble opinions :)

Thats usually a good indication that you should shut the fuck up but we know were not that lucky so why not open with your usual act- Say something really stupid!

For all we know your a deranged porn surfer that found his way to this board.You have done or said NOTHING to convice anyone else otherwise.Like UW said,you speak in generalities.It's wierd.

Let's see what your working on ned.And don't grab some nice looking tube porn site from google and claim it's yours either.Let's see what your up to hot shot!

Now I feel EXTRA guilty from making money from free sites.

Oh you mean those advertisements that no one clicks on? Gotta get me some of those.


Oh sorta like your posts.

After a fairly poor night's sleep (dog woke me up to go outside even though there's a doggy door, PSU fan started making noise, etc.), I've reread this thread and I'm not entirely certain what the hell the real argument is about. Ok, ned, you feel that free sites and the rules governing their composition are antiquated and they fail to adequately compete against tubes, torrents and porn forums. Is ned really so passionately opposed to free sites that he was willing to take a good-hearted effort to help a newbie and transform it into this mess? Perhaps, but I'm sure many of us could find some points of agreement on the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of the modern free site, but with the understanding that free sites, galleries, blogs or any other method of SELLING porn isn't meant to compete against those who ignore copyrights, content licenses, sponsor TOS and common sense. Thus far, the argument against this model is analogous to saying a pharmacy should be shut down because it'll never going compete with the crack dealer on the corner.

I suppose what I'm saying, ned, is that you should step up and bring something to the table. We get it - you don't think Kisa should build and submit free sites because she won't be able to compete with stolen porn. Fine, what then? What is poor, innocent Kisa to do? ned? You there buddy? Illuminate us all. The naive children of GG&Jim are eagerly awaiting omnipotent illumination.

While I appreciate your reply, I did not think the argument was based on how to compete against the plethora of free and stolen porn.

I took exception to a statement made by starman:

"We're the ones with the free porn here and were running the show so if we feel like making surfers go through 5 pages of bullshit to get to the porn not only are they going to like it,their going to beg for seconds!Were calling the shots here!We got em by the balls and their credit cards!"

Hindsight being 20/20 I should not have said this was bullshit, so let me rephrase it to "I strongly disagree with the above statement."

It's misleading on it's own, it's misleading in the context of the original post and it's misleading in the context of a newbie board.
It's just hype, (I'm being polite here), totally unrelated to the real world of selling porn.

If you are a webmaster just starting off, reading a statement like that instantly gives you the wrong impression of the adult biz.
In fact it was a real hoot to read something so patently false like that in 2008.

To wrap it up, Kisa is free to build whatever she wants to build, I believe the most important thing is for Kisa to build her empire with her eyes wide open and not with a view that's been obfuscated by foolish talk.

Ned - would you like me to merge this username with your other one?

(MML caught it - give him the credit)

Great..100 pages later after turning a newb thread into a battle field you choose to rephrase it...

'stop talking bullshit' is only reason I got snippy with you.It was just a disrespectful bitch slap for no reason."I strongly disagree" on the other hand would have been the way to go. No offense but brush up on your social skills a bit dude.

I attempted to translate/dumb down my quote for you earlier and ended up fucking the whole post up and missing my own point anyhow so fuck it.

I will say though that I have no problem admitting when I do or say something stupid.

Yeah yeah.Let's just call a truce and end this.

Oh snap. A double nick :)

BUUUUUSTED!!!!!!!!!

Nice detective work santa!|santa2

Just for the record, I'm building freesites (the correct way) but am also working on a proposed government bailout for the entire porn industry;)

I'm gonna say that silence implies guilt.

I was waiting to see how long it took for someone to catch it....

heh, nice..

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Hi Alex |waves|

Well thats kinda crazy. You sure? ned is alex? And it was alex saying all the sponsors are crooks? (like anybody with any sense hasn't already known this for years... and still made money off those crooks.)

Freesites are antiquated, thats true enough. Google decided that all for us. We were trying to do something we thought was responsible, putting a layer of protection between free porn and minors, but google decided that the minors aren't google's market interest.

Life is like that.

Hey, lets all start tube sites - we'll make a mint. No lets all start forums. Wait - it's blogs, lets all start blogs. Web 2.0, thats where the money is. Ooops, we're back to tube sites.

Oh noes, it's the end of content!

It's like musical chairs - the last guy left with a tube site wins.

Hey ned, if you're Alex, Hi man. I kinda miss you, you old rascal.

You do have a talent for stirring the shit dude, but it ain't like you're wrong, just a little tense.

It's a combination of factors - but the simple fact is, some percentage of surfers still do.

Not as much as before, no. And it will get worse.

I can go into my theories and explantions of why, talk about excitement thresholds, porn addiction and the craving for variety, "face hunting", the ecology of the internet and virtual regions, specialty shopping, impulse buying, and fetishistic attractions, etc etc.

But it doesn't seem like there's much point in doing so.

Personally, I think you should run from the porn biz like the devil himself was about to gore you with a 4 foot spiked and red hot iron cock. Intellectual property theft has doomed us all.

Or go start a tube site - yeah, thats the ticket!

For the record, I always liked Alex. He's a bright guy, especially for this industry, and was always a sweet guy to me and my wife.

If it was you, Alex - it was fun to tangle with you and I meant you no disrespect.

Like Bill said, ned - whoever he is, isn't really wrong about free sites and certainly not about the menace we're up against. The problem with free sites, which I guess was part of ned's argument, is that they're so dumbed-down and, I suppose, limited, in order to make them easy to navigate for surfers and reviewers. Bill [that old timer :)] knows a ton more about what free sites were in the past because he's been at this a lot longer than I have and spends a lot more time analyzing his game than most people do. The free sites of today are all I really know. They've always been a limited, very clean, 4 page package to me.

Frankly, I haven't built a submitted free site in a long, long time. But I know that you can make money doing that because I have a bunch of submitters who submit free sites almost daily. Either they're making money or they're all gluttons for punishment with too much free time.

Whether you're submitting free sites or galleries, blogging like a maniac, or working your own self-propelled traffic system, this business keeps getting tougher. Google can't make up its fucking mind -- and pirates, scumbags and some sponsors are handing out full length movies like they're penny candy during a parade. I swear, we're going to see a point when content will have almost zero value. It'll be freely distributed and the only programs left will be dating sponsors with fake geo profiles - and they won't need affiliates because they own the goddamn tube sites in the first place. I hope you don't know anyone who wants to be a pornstar because talent won't be paid fuck-all once all content is free to the consumer. Another year of this nonsense and WE will be the ones petitioning Congress to restrict pornography to anyone without a credit card and demanding that it all sits behind the secure walls of a members area.

If I would have known it was you Raw Alex I would have just shut the fuck up.Not that I know you but I know your popular around here and I'm not about even begin to pretend to know as much as you do even though I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE with you.:)

BTW if you bump into Ned,tell him Star Man has him by the balls! |lol|

Peace

I think the problem with freesites was that google stopped liking the linking model they were based on. Or, more accurately, liking it as much as it used too. But, like everything, that can be argued against.

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It will be interesting to see if the value of content can be preserved, and the ways it which it will be conserved. This is arguably one of the biggest economic problems of this century.

The rise of the tubes has been quick. And the legal response to the tubes will be much slower. I thought Jay Quinlan made a pretty good post about organizing legally to deal with the content theft model of the tubes over at the zoo - but he's too controversial to be a good organizer for such a thing.