Look at it like this. You are doing a speaking engagement. You should be paid for your knoweldge. Even tho you state you have none. Just staying in this biz for as long as you have is worth something, and lets face it you are some what of a celeb in this biz be it big or small. Ex-presidents get paid to speak, why should'nt you. This biz is just like any other, everyone is trying to make a buck and save a buck. In no way should you feel that speaking for them is anything special. What are they giving you in return that you can't get yourself? With things like this it can go two ways, you can get some respect from your peers (which you already have) or you can say a 1 or 2 dumb things and have your peers start wondering how you survived so long. I say forget about it and drive on. Life will not be affected.

Johnny V at Wildline aint a bad guy to know....

The one benefit that might make it worth while is exposure for the board, and that's a big might

I'm going to Vegas anyway - hotel & flight's are booked (not thru Rose cause I want to get the room comp'd with my very poor gambling habits) I do not plan on getting a pass as I really see no need for it. Submits at LOR are fine, so I'm not at the point where I would need to seek more submitters.

So exposure for the board would be the only benefit & I'm not sure we need to gain exposure by doing the panel.

I'm just so fed up with all the AVN crap & a lot of this needs to be brought out into the open & talked about (even if AVN has not joined into our discussions)

I've never heard of him, but if you say he's an ok guy, then so be it. My point about him - and I'd say this about ANY traffic broker on the panel - is that you have to assume that a traffic broker has an agenda. It's his business to buy & sell traffic. So maybe there needs to be 2 separate "traffic" panels - one on how to generate your own traffic & one on how to buy & sell it.

You could say the same thing about ANYONE on the panel - Jay's doing it to get exposure for his link list, his traffic projects & his affiliate program. Q'on would be doing it to get exposure for his projects, etc.

And this shit thing about all this - and I am a cause of this - is that it's happening on the board instead of on the phone or in person. We really need to get people from AVN in here & start up a serious discussion about the conventions so that they know our side of things instead of just bashing them & hoping that they read the threads.

I've used this analogy before - we know way too much about how this particular convention works. My Dad's been to many conventions & when I tell him the problems that we have, he, being just an average convention attendee, has no clue what I'm talking about.

I'm rambling again......

Or as guests on the Radio show......
That would draw more people to the radio show, give webmasters answers and info about Internext/AVN and keep the listeners entertained.

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We do plan on having Far-l on the next show (Nov 29th) & he's gonna AVN is someone wants to join him so that there's 4 people on the show & no one can hear 2 of them :D


That's a shot at the Radio Show & not at Far-l or AVN

Check your ICQ Greenie haha

I sorta know who he is now (and oddly enough, he's part of the reason this board is here, but that's another story that he probably doesn't even know about) but my opinion is still the same.

If I was a traffic broker, I'd be on this panel to promote the buying & selling of my traffic & would not even mention the concept of generating your own traffic.

lol.....
Hey had an idea came to AVN with it, i came to you as one of the very best of the biz, and at that time maybe timing was not right, or what ever.

You really had know idea who i was or you still dont...so i dont blame ya, i may have done the same thing, or maybe not.

:D

I knew that you ran a program (I've been promoting you since June 04) but other than that, I still don't know much about you :D

Interesting.. we threw a similar idea at them about two years ago.

But, we recommended them using their own traffic to test as well as posting some of the reputable folks comparisons like |greenguy| and creating something like a "consumer reports" type analysis.

Okay GG, no more LURKING FOR ME |thumb

I am not going to go to that seminar if you are not on the panel, so I guess I'm not going :D

I'm not going if he's not on it either. See, this is how boycotts start. |viking|

Thanks for the sales and the great traffic, we have some cool stuff coming up.
All the Dirt on Mike Hawk and Smashbucks.........

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Believe it or not Greenie but I told my lovely wife Vickie this story and she believes you are worth a min of $5k :) Could have knocked me over with a noodle.

I guess at the end of all of this, what really bothers me is that unless we were making a fuss right here right now, AVN would blissfully go on it's way entirely ignorant of the sheer numbers of people they are pissing off and alienating as they go.

Greenguy, take the money, do the seminar... but don't do it for free. They are going to make an assload of money off of you and people like you, so why not get paid for the effort?

Just a thought.

Alex

I can add 1+1 on that that equation.

The vintage smashbucks stuff does convert quite well.

It's actually 3-1=2 :D

F-J=V ?

:D
Thanks Jay!

Let us know what you decide GreenGuy. If you can get them to pay for you to speak opening about traffic generation and management you could be opening the door for others willing to speak just as openly and make it even more beneficial for attendees to get their money's worth.

Oh....I'm doubt I'll be speaking at an AVN sponsored event & will be looking into doing something in private with a handful of board members.

Now you make me want to come to Vegas in January :)

Yes you should. We could split a suite |bananna|

I'll throw in some Cheetos to make it worth your while |pokefun| Fonz