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Cleo 2003-08-27 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brave
but what did you mean 'for that matter you already have web space'?
Brave if it is working for you and is reliable then that is all that matters.

What I meant by you already have web space is that if you keep the stuff that is on your local machine on your web server and the stuff that is on your web server on your local machine then it is in two places and this solution costs nothing. :)

For my personal backup I use Data Backup X with a 120 gig FireWire drive and also archive to DVD disks that I keep someplace else then my home office.

My clients use Retrospect Workgroup with either tapes or FireWire drives and archive to DVD. Again it is important to have copies kept someplace besides the machines your are backing up.

Setting a mirrored RAID is also a good solution, but you are fucked if your data becomes corrupt since you don't have multiple backups to restore from. Basically a mirrored RAID only is good from a hard drive failure, but combined with other backup strategy can be hard to beat.

Extreme John 2003-08-27 08:11 PM

I remember a time when we never backed any of our data up, we arent the best at it on our office machines, some of them have multiple backups running though (graphics, etc.).

bret 2003-08-27 08:15 PM

ok. i really need to unsubscribe from this thread.... i think my settings are set to subscribe by default (might be time to look at those)...

anyway, i hate to sound like a raid freak, but raid also offers the option of a parity disk (where a drive is dediicated solely to checking againt data corruption and other such mishaps)... and like i said, raid is not to be subsituted for backing up but when coupled with a proper backup system offers GREAT benefits for open file applications, just the abilitiy to be able to remove a disk from the array and backup from that would allow you to make a perfect backup without interruption of the system.

obviously there are many solutions, but uness you are a making huge (maybe 10+ million) a year, most of them are out of our reach.

Greenguy 2003-08-27 08:37 PM

FoZzI - I went & saw Iron Maiden last summer - they palyed for 2 hours - I knew 2 songs: Iron Maiden & Run To The Hills - every other song started with or ended with "this is off our new album" |banghead|

Bret - my raid card here at home crashes once a week - LOL

bret 2003-08-27 08:40 PM

oh my god.

must be a SIIG |flush|. time to trade up for a new 160 or 320 adaptec

ok. i really am unsubscribing now.

Extreme John 2003-08-27 08:44 PM

So Bret you use Raid on your everyday machines? I think my new machine I just bought for the office is raid ready or something like that, if Imcorrect Raid is the way to go when ripping movies.

bret 2003-08-28 12:03 PM

traditional raid is much to expensive to run on a standard workstation.

a decent raid card can run you $1000 easy.

like cleo mentioned there is firewire raid (i know it is builtin to the new apple computers, not sure if it will run on a windows machine) firewire raid is becoming a lot more popular for applications that rely heavily on the hard disk (such as video editing) because you can setup a stripe (where all the drivers are use in parallel) which provides a HUGE increase in both reading and writing data. the downside is that if one drive fails, all or nearly all of your data will be lost. you can setup a parity to run on a dedicated disk or have it run on all the disks in the array, but this gets extremely costly if you need a lot of disk space.

there are also physical limitations to the raid card itself, and at some point you will need to increase the number of cards in your system in order to maintain a decent level of performance.

like i said, i would not recommend it for everyday machines as it would be extreme overkill and very costly. if you have a niche for it to fill, it can be a great tool.

Wild_Unicorn 2003-08-29 10:43 AM

So even the big boys have problems!?

Good to see you guys back!

Naughty 2003-08-29 12:26 PM

Damn, 5900 posts down the drain. I'm telling you, this thing is rigged |smooch|

Greenguy 2003-08-29 03:58 PM

5900? We lost 30,000 posts :((((((

Naughty 2003-08-29 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
5900? We lost 30,000 posts :((((((
Of which 5900 were mine :p



j/k buddy, I only had like 30 :)

Bell 2003-08-29 04:49 PM

testing to see if I need to re-register...

and I want to make a banana dance for john-john....

|bananna|


~Bell
p.s. sorry for the aggrivation you had to go through gg and j...
missed you... (and some of the *other* characters here...LOL!!!!)

Bell 2003-08-29 04:51 PM

I noticed my avatar is gone...

MML do you still have it...
you resized it for me...
I had it named something like:
BellsAvatar.jpg
or
Bells_Avatar.jpg
do you still have that in your hd ??

~Bell

jscott 2003-08-29 06:29 PM

i'm here still :)

Extreme John 2003-08-29 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bret
traditional raid is much to expensive to run on a standard workstation.

a decent raid card can run you $1000 easy.

like cleo mentioned there is firewire raid (i know it is builtin to the new apple computers, not sure if it will run on a windows machine) firewire raid is becoming a lot more popular for applications that rely heavily on the hard disk (such as video editing) because you can setup a stripe (where all the drivers are use in parallel) which provides a HUGE increase in both reading and writing data. the downside is that if one drive fails, all or nearly all of your data will be lost. you can setup a parity to run on a dedicated disk or have it run on all the disks in the array, but this gets extremely costly if you need a lot of disk space.

there are also physical limitations to the raid card itself, and at some point you will need to increase the number of cards in your system in order to maintain a decent level of performance.

like i said, i would not recommend it for everyday machines as it would be extreme overkill and very costly. if you have a niche for it to fill, it can be a great tool.

I agree it does sound like a bit of an overkill, but for editing large movies it seems like it might be a great option, time is money and I HATE editing movies, it's the worst. Thank you for taking the time to explain that I appreciate it.

bret 2003-08-30 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Extreme John
I agree it does sound like a bit of an overkill, but for editing large movies it seems like it might be a great option, time is money and I HATE editing movies, it's the worst. Thank you for taking the time to explain that I appreciate it.
yes. it is perfect for movie editing. you would be hard pressed to find a render farm that does not relie on a RAID setup.


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