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furrygirl 2005-08-29 11:16 PM

Yes, Scrotum, I still think you're an idiot. I stand by that, I'm not going to back-peddle and cry and beg forgiveness before the gods for my meanie behavior.

I called you a moron when the discussion got to the point that you were so desperately grasping as straws to attack me with that you called my sites racist because there are no black models. (Fact: 20 models on a site who happen to be white does not indicate a nazi at the helm. I never exclude anyone based on race from any of my sites. I rely on amateur submissions, and if I don't happen to have gotten submissions from Asians, Latinas, or black folk yet, it's beyond my control.) If you could actually use sense and reason and post-"sexual revolution" thinking, we could have a discussion about women, but you know you don't have a leg to stand on, except with your little close-knit fanclub on your pink board.

Poor baby, no one should dare question your sexist beliefs, it's just mean! If you're going to enter a debate about ethics, sexism, and porn, be prepared to be called on your own shit.

Halfdeck 2005-08-30 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!
I no speaka ze engrish, but can read and speel:

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg
The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a
wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be
in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed
it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid! deos not raed
ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I
awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt!

Wow...so my nxet fere stie smbuission wlil raed...

TITLE: Mhtoer and Dguahter Sahring Enilgsh Taehcer

Description: Egnlish teaehcr dpros by to ttour Dnaie who suedces him...tehn the mehtor wkals in on tehm and edns up jnoiing in on the fun.

Ms Naughty 2005-08-30 01:34 AM

LOL Furrygirl.

As much as I don't want to continue this silly argument with you, because
1) it's obvious that you made up your mind on page 2 of that 5 page FW thread in May, and
2) this is not the place for it
I can't help but reply. I shouldn't bother, but feel the need to clear something up.

You see, there's this thing called "sarcasm." Obviously you're not very familiar with it if you actually think that I was calling your site racist.

I made that post about your site to try and show how you were making wild assumptions and generalisations about me and FTG based on the site tour and based on your own preconceptions about the topic.

Shall I post it again here?

You know, I think I will, because it's such a silly post it still makes me laugh.

So, folks, here it is:

Quote:

Perhaps I just need to turn this topic around, since it has become an attack on For The Girls and on me.

So... shall I put a big smile on my face and reverse the polarity, so that now we're talking about Furrygirl's site, VegPorn?

To start, I'll jump into the thread and make a couple of broad sweeping stereotypical statements:

Vegetarians and vegans don't buy porn. Why would they? They're so weak from lack of protein they can't raise the energy to masturbate...

or how about:
Vegetarians can get sex any time they want, they don't need to use porn.

Right, good so far.

Next, I'll have a go at the whole concept behind what Furrygirl is trying to achieve with her site.

"Vegan and Vegetarian indie porn" is just wrong as a concept. It's obvious that most vegetarians join mainstream sites, so it's a bad name for what you do. You can't possibly cater to the tastes of every vegetarian, so how dare you say that what you're offering is representative of what vegetarians and vegans like?

You're obviously a minority. Of course, I myself know exactly what most vegetarians like (although I'm not going to say how I know this), and so I can categorically say that what you're offering is stereotypical, inaccurate and offensive to most vegetarians.

What's more, your site tacitly denies the sexualities of people who eat meat. Oh, sure, you SAY you welcome anybody, but I know what you're really thinking. Deep down inside, you hate people who eat meat, you're meatist. It doesn't matter what you say, you'll just be denying this essential fact about your character. You're really saying "Meatism is a very important value to me."

If a vegetarian joins Meat Holes, then surely that qualifies as "Vegetarian porn" too, right?

Hmm, what other attacks can I make? I know, I'll leap to a few conclusions about your site and what you're all about just based on your tour:

Well, a lot of the people on your site look very pale... You seem to be suggesting that vegetarians are all pale and don't have any energy. How dare you imply that? I'm sure there are a million vegans out there who are running marathones and the like.

Hang on a minute.... there's NO BLACK PEOPLE on your tour. Are you saying that black people can't be vegetarians? How dare you, you're racist too!!

The text says "Titillating tofu eaters." We all know that eating tofu is such an old cliched idea about vegetarians. I can't believe you would put that on your site, it's perpetuating inaccuracies about vegetarians and what they eat (or else it suggests that you're doing something kinky with bean curd).

What's that? Vegetarians actually LIKE tofu? How do you know that? What? Because they told you, and now you're just catering to a certain market? Pah!!! You obviously have no idea what kind of stereotypes you're perpetuating. Those vegetarians who are titillated by tofu are just buying into a meatriarchal idea of sexuality...

Now, what else can I do? Shall I keep referring to your site as "thin pale porn" even though that's not a good description of it? I think I will, even though you'll say that your porn is quite broadly based. I'll just ignore what you say and stick to my own ideas about what you're selling. I don't want the facts to get in the way of my victim mentality.

OK, good. And now, for my final statement...

OH. MY. GOD. You're CHARGING people money to look at your porn? You mean you're not in this business just for altruistic reasons? Well, bugger me with a fish fork! You must be one of those smut peddlers who push certain stereotypes about sexuality in order to make money...

OK... now, do your best to refute all that I've had to say. I won't listen. I've already made up my mind about you.
Now, don't tell me you didn't pick up a certain hint of sarcasm and satire there? Or do you honestly believe that what I just quoted was a serious critique of your site?

Beyond that, all I can say is I made my final comments in the debate here on LEE'S pink board. I even asked you to make explicit what aspects of our site you considered to be "stereotypical and sexist" but you didn't reply.

You can continue to go on ranting about this as long as you like but I've replied to you, I don't agree with you, I believe that you're wrong, and that's it.

We're done.

Oh, and since I've posted, I'll make it slightly on topic: I think the changes to the text on RageCash's sleep site have made a huge difference and I no longer have any personal objection to it.

Copy is definitely king.

Wazza 2005-08-30 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum
marathones

tut tut - can't you spell check?

Clearly you were foaming at the mouth when you wrote that... (Fuck! An ellipsis. Am I using it correctly? Where's the guide gone when you need it)

Halfdeck 2005-08-30 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wazza
Where's the guide gone

tut tut, grammar check |peace|

I enjoyed reading KarenJ's posts on that FW thread. Kind of an eye opener really since I always have a male surfer in mind when I'm building my sites.

BTW, I find personal attacks on threads distracting. Rape can be a hot topic especially for female webmasters (so far most male webmasters seem to be mildly opposed to or indifferent) but no one enjoys reading mudslinging posts.

furrygirl 2005-08-30 05:36 AM

Yet again, Karen Scrotum, you're just madly grasping at straws. I think you're too accustomed to being a god in your own tiny micro niche, so getting someone disagreeing with you really chaps your ass. I don't worship at the altar of KarenJ, so couldn't care less if you think I'm some close-minded asshole because I "already made up my mind" early in a discussion. I'll always disagree with overt sexism and sexual stereotyping in porn, whether it's sexism that you personally dislike or the sexism that you personally adore. And it's not like you haven't heard the same feminist critique or your site a million times, so you should be used to it by now, anyway.

It's funny that you've paraphrased my statement that copy and context are king twice now on these Rage Cash threads, but won't attribute it to me. Sucks ass when crazy deviant whores are right about something and phrase it so well you can't stop quoting it, doesn't it?

Oh yeah, and you like posting jokes to insult me, so here's one for you:

"Knock-knock!"
"Who's there?"
"It's 1992 calling, they want their tired-ass content back."

Ms Naughty 2005-08-30 06:08 AM

You said "copy is king" previously? OK, cool. Thanks for that.

susanna 2005-08-30 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!
I no speaka ze engrish, but can read and speel:

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg...
The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a
wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be
in the rghit pclae... The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed
it wouthit a porbelm... Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid! deos not raed
ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe... Amzanig huh?... yaeh and I
awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt!...


You missed a few ... so I put them in... ahhh looks better now right...



Some peoples psychotic behavior... oh I forgot I should be posting about "ethics, sexism and porn" and not making attacks of character...maybe I am just "desperately grasping as straws to attack anyone that comes within 10 feet of me" ...

...

Kenny B! 2005-08-30 10:39 AM

Wow you people get all worked up on a message board! Why do people take things so personally from others who you couldn't care less about?

Seems like a lot of wasted energy to me.

Greenguy 2005-08-30 10:53 AM

2 weeks. That how long some of you have wasted on this topic.

TWO WEEKS.

Move on.

susanna 2005-08-30 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!
Wow you people get all worked up on a message board! Why do people take things so personally from others who you couldn't care less about?

Seems like a lot of wasted energy to me.


nooo we are actually having fun. ;)

I agree greenguy...besides this thread is misnamed for over a week now.

Surfn 2005-08-30 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susanna
nooo we are actually having fun. ;)

I agree greenguy...besides this thread is misnamed for over a week now.

This thread is not misnamed, but sure has been hijacked to hell.

furrygirl 2005-08-30 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!
Wow you people get all worked up on a message board! Why do people take things so personally from others who you couldn't care less about?

Seems like a lot of wasted energy to me.

Aww, and that time you were wasted at Internext, you thought I was so adorable.

Kenny B! 2005-08-31 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by furrygirl
Aww, and that time you were wasted at Internext, you thought I was so adorable.

I don't find that was wasted time I had a great time and even sober I still find you absolutely adorable!


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