Where have I said I like the site or am seeking to defend porn that pushes "assault" as sexy? Just because I disagree with Susanna's own brand of angry finger-pointing rants doesn't mean that I'm defending rape. (Yet again, why is this discussion all "you're either rabidly against it or your a basically a rapist"?) I have repeatedly stated that I disagree with the site and that I think as it stands now, it caters to shitty people and encourages shitty behavior. I'm not "justifying" copy that tells men that raping sleeping women is hot, I don't get where you read that in my posts.

The positive two cents I'm offering in terms of the site has been about changing the copy and the theme. I could say, "Rage Cash should smash all their hard drives and run away in shame. We should go burn their offices." Since I imagine that the company put a lot of money into making their sites, I figured I'd make the suggestion that the they could rework the site and make something better out of it.

I don't have a problem with role play and kink when clearly presented as role play. Arguing that fantasy force or domination role play is the same thing as rape is incredibly insulting to any one who has actually been raped. As a rational adult, when presented with entertainment which is packaged as fiction, I understand that it is not a guide for action. A movie I watched recently involved a jilted lover killing his ex, but does that mean I'm a misogynist who advocates shooting women who leave you?

Are you really saying that two consenting adults engaging in role play or BDSM in porn is on the same level as CP or actual rape? Just this morning I engaged in some naughty talk while fucking my boyfriend, I guess I'm as bad as people who rape children.

No, but I'm saving it for masturbatory purposes.

I have a Debates and Articulacy Fetish.

I'm singing the never ending shit fight la la la, la la la, la la laaaaaaaaaaaaa

Damn swedguy that totally cracked me up!! Too funny! Thanks for the huge laugh this morning!

Not even commenting on the attack from furry girl. What is the point !!!

I am very pleased to see that rage cash has changed the text on their sleep assault tour! Congrats to them for hearing so many of us in these threads and/or thinking this thru a bit.

That site is very hot now! the title is still a bother but with the text change it is fantasy and the the text change was done very well! I might just put a few links up in some of my hardcore fetish areas.

Incase some of you do not know, I am not a kid, and I am not just about couples sex and for women sex. I have a server full of fetish, some of it very hardcore. I have no reason to change my signature and so I dont bother.

Oh and clerification on consentual...it is a very canadian english spelling of the word. I make zero apologies for spelling errors but since furry girl thought it necessary to educate all of you, I thought I should add that it is an appropriate spelling. You can search yahoo and get 173,000 pages based on this term.

Anyway, Thank You to Rage Cash for changing the sleep assault tour.

yawn |yawn|

I agree with Fonz that this is a bit of a yawn.

I do, however, wish to make one observation.

Many films are about fantasy, some of them violent. If any of us actually did the things that are protrayed in many films, we would be jailed. Maybe I come from a different, more permissible era, than most here, but I can remember when Straw Dogs was released. If any of you here are old enough to remember that movie, it was quite controversial - and quite disturbing.

Regardless of its level of controversy or discomfort, it was still made, released and shown in theatres.

I guess I just can't get too worked up over the production of fantasy sites. Personally, I would not promote the sleeping woman site as it was originally released because it made me uncomfortable. The mother daughter site, if I were still promoting alot of porn, would be one of my top sites already, assuredly (anyway, most incest related laws that are geared toward adults are based on sex between men and women because of the obvious genetic risks involved in a pregnancy). Anyway, I don't see the mother/daughter tag teams that have been on Jerry Stringer heading off to jail.

Mostly, I am simply surprised by how uptight some people who make their coin pushing porn are. When people produce a publication on the net dealing with an issue that has been dealt with theatrically and in literature, I just don't get it. The right of free speech is important and always protected for the simple reason that people who are uncomfortable with it will try to shut it down, and I am somewhat disconerted seeing pornographers of all people slinging judgements about other people's fantasies and publications. Other than child porn or the active production of real imagery that violates others rights, I really don't understand the issue of "ethics" in production content if you are involved in an artistic or entertainment business.

Susanna: your Canadian spelling notwithstanding, you seriously need to take a writing class. You can have the most impassioned, brilliant concept to share with us, but that can't be conveyed if you have the writing skills of a little kid. Sorry, but as I said before, how can anyone take seriously your proud touts of having a "high IQ" when your sentence structure is all over the place and you can't even seem to decide what you're talking about. (I wouldn't even pick on you so much if you hadn't bragged about having a high IQ, BTW.)

Here's a quick lesson:

Ellipsis, those little dots traditionally in clusters of three, are not for ending or segmenting a sentence with, unless you are quoting someone and skipping over some of the source material, and then they should probably have brackets around the ellipsis to show that they were not in the original text. Unless, of course, you're citing material APA style, in which case you would not use brackets. |rock|

Plus, I imagine that even in the cold frozen north of Canada, they teach you people to end questions with a question mark, not three exclamations.

I think you'll find that ellipsis can also be used to show a pause in the flow of a sentence.

Ellipsis, schmellipsis, when did grammar and splelign become such an issue anyway?

"Excuse me, where is the library at?"
"Here at Harvard, we never end a sentence with a preposition."
"O.K. Excuse me, where is the library at, asshole?"

I can't find the "glass houses" smiley. LOL

Scrotum, the reason I'm harping on Susanna is because she's bragged about how smart she is and even said that she has a high IQ. If someone was bragging about what a brilliant webmaster they were, and all their pages were filled with broken links and image sources were going to their C drives, I'd make fun or them more than I would a newbie who wouldn't know any better. I've never claimed to be a perfect writer, and like everyone else, I screw up on spelling and grammar sometimes. I know you want to defend your comrade against the evil tyrant Furry Girl, but even you must know that you'd be up all night outlining the writing mistakes she's made on a single thread.

If we want to get into real glasses houses, and I had the time, I'd be happy to construct *yet another* analysis of why the porn made by your kind is some of the most offensive, anti-woman, and flat-out sexist I've ever seen. Jeez, chicks, you're about as glass house at is gets when it comes to critiquing the messages sent by porn.

Go focus on writing "Obedient Christian Housewives Weekly" or something, because I don't like any smut that marginalizes and stereotypes women, be it made by a man or a woman. Whether a site says that women like to be raped, or that they are so frail that they can only tolerate thinking about sex in "romance" fantasies, they're both saying that women are feeble, submissive creatures who hate sex. Women don't hate sex or need love to have sex, but I suppose some of you prefer making "porn" sites that are frighteningly in synch with the most repressed, right-wing views of female sexuality.

I'm a chick, I like fucking, and I don't need true love and gentle fonts and soft pink to fuck. I don't think I'm alone. And, I don't need anyone telling me that I'm some kind of backwards freakish deviant for not toeing your line of "what women want".

ROFL |pokefun| Now come on Furrygirl, you left yourself wide open there. I couldn't resist.

I've got an English teacher's diploma on the wall. I like to see people write nicely. But this is a webmaster board not an essay competition. I gave up marking people's work ages ago. Now I just try and get the gist of what they're trying to say and respond to that.

You need to relax. Go back to work making your own special brand of porn. We're done here.

Or do you plan to call me a moron again? I love it when you get intellectual in your comebacks.

By the way, if anyone else bothers to read this, you may want to read my long, detailed and quite comprehensive responses to Furrygirl's rather rabid and completely inaccurate assertions about the nature of my particular porn niche here . I don't normally link to other boards but this will simply save me from writing a six page essay in reply on GG&J.

We've had this conversation. We didn't agree. We're done.

Christ in the morning, is this still going on?

I will sum up my thoughts in one tidy little post.

I do not see a thing wrong with any of the Rage Cash sites.

Porn isn't about being pc.

As long as it is legal, promote what you are comfortable with promoting.

There's always going to be someone who doesn't think you should promote a niche.

And it wouldn't matter if all we did was push sites full of nothing but missionary sex between married couples, we are still making our living from the pornography industry.

We're never going to win brownie points for that from the straight world.

OMG we need to start using and writing proper English? I lived my preteens in the northeast and raised in the south with the Latins so I guess I'm fubarded.

As far as this thread goes I only have a problem with their sleep assault site and really don't care what other's opinions are.

I am the very model of a modern Major General |pink

Todays Fact. Money can't buy free advertising. :D

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I'm taking beginners Spanish and it is just totally messing up my English grammar and spelling even worse then it was already.

This is easier to read than most of text in some of my submits |monkey

Yes, Scrotum, I still think you're an idiot. I stand by that, I'm not going to back-peddle and cry and beg forgiveness before the gods for my meanie behavior.

I called you a moron when the discussion got to the point that you were so desperately grasping as straws to attack me with that you called my sites racist because there are no black models. (Fact: 20 models on a site who happen to be white does not indicate a nazi at the helm. I never exclude anyone based on race from any of my sites. I rely on amateur submissions, and if I don't happen to have gotten submissions from Asians, Latinas, or black folk yet, it's beyond my control.) If you could actually use sense and reason and post-"sexual revolution" thinking, we could have a discussion about women, but you know you don't have a leg to stand on, except with your little close-knit fanclub on your pink board.

Poor baby, no one should dare question your sexist beliefs, it's just mean! If you're going to enter a debate about ethics, sexism, and porn, be prepared to be called on your own shit.

Wow...so my nxet fere stie smbuission wlil raed...

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Description: Egnlish teaehcr dpros by to ttour Dnaie who suedces him...tehn the mehtor wkals in on tehm and edns up jnoiing in on the fun.

LOL Furrygirl.

As much as I don't want to continue this silly argument with you, because
1) it's obvious that you made up your mind on page 2 of that 5 page FW thread in May, and
2) this is not the place for it
I can't help but reply. I shouldn't bother, but feel the need to clear something up.

You see, there's this thing called "sarcasm." Obviously you're not very familiar with it if you actually think that I was calling your site racist.

I made that post about your site to try and show how you were making wild assumptions and generalisations about me and FTG based on the site tour and based on your own preconceptions about the topic.

Shall I post it again here?

You know, I think I will, because it's such a silly post it still makes me laugh.

So, folks, here it is:

Now, don't tell me you didn't pick up a certain hint of sarcasm and satire there? Or do you honestly believe that what I just quoted was a serious critique of your site?

Beyond that, all I can say is I made my final comments in the debate here on LEE'S pink board. I even asked you to make explicit what aspects of our site you considered to be "stereotypical and sexist" but you didn't reply.

You can continue to go on ranting about this as long as you like but I've replied to you, I don't agree with you, I believe that you're wrong, and that's it.

We're done.

Oh, and since I've posted, I'll make it slightly on topic: I think the changes to the text on RageCash's sleep site have made a huge difference and I no longer have any personal objection to it.

Copy is definitely king.

tut tut - can't you spell check?

Clearly you were foaming at the mouth when you wrote that... (Fuck! An ellipsis. Am I using it correctly? Where's the guide gone when you need it)

tut tut, grammar check |peace|

I enjoyed reading KarenJ's posts on that FW thread. Kind of an eye opener really since I always have a male surfer in mind when I'm building my sites.

BTW, I find personal attacks on threads distracting. Rape can be a hot topic especially for female webmasters (so far most male webmasters seem to be mildly opposed to or indifferent) but no one enjoys reading mudslinging posts.