Editorial Content
 

I just spent a few hours setting up a new editorial category to my linklist:
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/editorials.html

They are all homepages that I had previously written for Consumption Junction – my reason for adding the stuff to my site, isn’t so much to prove to the world what a genius writer I am (well, ok – I am brilliant, but genius goes a little far). My reason for adding the Editorial Content was: ***MAYBE – JUST MAYBE** it will give me the juice needed to cross the “PR 6 threshold” that seems to be applied to most adult sites with the exception of Jane’s Guide and Suicide Girls – there may be a few others.

I have PR6 now (thank you,– bow, applause) – I have a feeling this may give me the ability to cross. It may not – but fuck it, but it’s worth a shot.

Everything is stuff that I wrote and hosted on www.jays-xxx-links.com - I may list some other writers in the future. I may have just wasted a couple hours too. Who knows?

If any of you guys read the things; I love feedback – positive or negative.

|lightsabe |lightsabe

Before anyone calls me out - I see Jane's and SC have slipped a few pr points.

XXXJay
It was so kind of you to share your 'brilliant' writing skills with us all.

Your article on picking up women
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/editor..._down_mack.htm
"The Wearing-Down Mack Approach" is a sure fire winner and these methods should be adopted by men all over the world.
Classic lines like
show that you are absolutely on the ball when it comes to your attitude towards women. You go Jay, you must have the women of the world clamouring to be with you.

But my favourite approach has to be 'The Wearing Down' approach

Succeeding where millions of men the world over have failed, just by applying a bit of mathematical logic is a stroke of genius. You belong up there with Einstein and Edison.

Oh!! Hang on a sec. I didnt read the end of that article properly. Seems the 'lucky girls' got away. Obviously they know nothing about mathematics, that could be the only possible reason they would walk away from
Oh well, there is always next time |pokefun|

dallasdeb - thanks for your comments. In case you missed the alagory - the point of that is NOT to use those methods, because they don't work. :-) I guess the irony was lost on you.

I don't really care if people read them or not - I want the spiders on 'em - hopefully heavy editorializing will move me off the "pure porn" wagon and maybe I can get a better rank.

Jay..I think that the logarithmic feature of PR will require a lot more than text on the site to get to the next level....although it certainly helps in one of the some 100 aspects of the algo, the main path I would be following would be gathering as many quality links from other sites as you can (I think you already know this) as they are what will eventually push you over the top.

Looking at the adult sites that make it to a PR7, which are very few these days as you noticed, either get there through "other methods we wont discuss" or a huge amount of targetted links, which looking at the link sites, would be best in the internal pages level on your site. (just my opinion and I may be wrong but when the internal pages are 2 points lower than the root page, it usually shows the PR of the root page to be at the low end of that PR6)

That said, other than a few small benefits of the PR, I'd be more concerned with adding the text type pages to go for more rankings on keywords to make sales....a lot more important in my book and from personal experience, it doesnt take much PR to get ranked pretty high for some important keywords as long as you have good content :)

Hey jay, im sure you will get a very good SE traffic fro thsi combination "Yngwie malmsteen getting high and loaded on swedish meatballs" |bananna|

Next time I search for some Yngwie tabs for my guitar I end up on your page :)hehe

Linkster - the internals of my inside pages are a solid PR4, and have been for almost a year. I am quite proud of that. 90% of the Link Lists out there can’t boast and internal PR4 (including www.linkforsex.com – hehe, kidding just kidding – seriously, www.linkforsex.com IS one of the best LLs out there, and one of the ONLY one I consistantly submit to). The point I was trying to make is that; I know exactly how I got my inside pages to reach PR4. I had a method. I see a lot of other LL owners cutting themselves short by using PR sucking FPAs or mostly working on trading links, and not spending enough time on solid link structuring. Your site can be boosted as much from inside links as it can be from incoming links – I know this for a fact. There are some great benefits to having a good internal PR:

1. Your inside pages will get SE hits.
2. People submitting to you and getting list will have a PR4 link passed on to there site.

I also “optimized” my internal with a little bit of extra text before the links:

http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/hardcore.html

It isn’t much, but it seems to be working:

Top 10 of 553 Total Entry Pages for September

# Hits Visits URL

1 66742 4.75% 59586 17.51% /

2 44121 3.14% 33999 9.99% /links/reality_porn.html

3 19366 1.38% 17762 5.22% /links/blowjobs.html

4 23351 1.66% 15605 4.59% /main.html

5 12995 0.93% 12995 3.82% /tables/force.php

6 13583 0.97% 12205 3.59% /links/lesbians.html

7 12102 0.86% 10860 3.19% /links/babes.html

8 11544 0.82% 10349 3.04% /links/teens.html

9 11952 0.85% 10138 2.98% /links/amateur.html

10 11101 0.79% 9764 2.87% /links/mature.html


The reason I felt that adding the editorial content would help is that I looked at sites like Suicide Girls and Jane’s Guide (both formerly PR7); what was the difference between them and the other big guys with just as many or more links (link-o-rama, Richards, tommy)? What I saw was that these Jane’s and SC were heavily editorialized with links to music, pop culture, and just plain info about sex. I thought THAT maybe was what gave them the ability to cross PR6. So I added the pages – it probably won’t even work, but if you don’t try – how will you ever know?

If this all seems stupid to you I would like to also make the following two points:

1. For the first time in 20 years, thanks to state mandated drug test – I am not smoking pot all day – therefore I may not be thinking clearly.

2. I spent four years literally chained to a desk and being beaten if I didn’t get enough SE traffic to a certain big company. While my posts may often by silly and loaded with misspellings – I am very schooled in working the search engines.

NICKNAME – If you know where to get so Yngwie taps – lay ‘em on me!

Pretty decent writing, even if the topics are a bit rough for some folks. There are a lot of straights who won't understand dark humor.

I think the SE idea is sound, but like linkster I would think you would want to add, oh, say 50 or a hundred more pages (just a guess) to get your desired result. It'll be interesting to see how it works out over the years.

BILL - I write the hompage for CJ once a week, so every time I write on there, I will archive it on Jay's. Yeah, I didn't think the 16 pages I added would be enough.

It's a work in progress...

Jay...yeah...I knew about that stint you had at the desk :)

actually I do totally agree with you about the linking structure and the internal link trading....I was one of those that ran a FPA for a long time and killed myself in the SE's for about 2 years...got straight and its finally working out...rankings for the one little tiny keyword I wanted are doing fantastic, and all of the other phrases are finally paying off big-time.
I am an advocate of the more "quality" content is always a good thing...I just think to break the barrier takes the type of outside incoming links and anchor text that gives your site the hub authority that they look for in a 7. One other mistake I made and since rectified is always asking for the same linkback text - and found I was getting a slight dampening effect due to it...as soon as I started changing it my rankings soared.

Linkster - Yeah man, I know you know what you are doing. When I was chained to the desk, I read your stuff on ANS a lot. I never posted because I din't ever have time.

Jay...I dont actually know that much...but thanks anyway :)
I just finally realized that about 95% of what you read on boards and newsletters is pure BS and started experimenting myself until I figured out what works most of the time...Im definitely no expert...if I was I probably would have somebody posting for me LOL...that I finally sat down one day and read Googles help pages and figured out what they were saying were the clues to exactly how they like to see a site...no reason to spend loads of money on "larnin' stuff" when its free :)

Jay, you submitted a site to me last week that I havent added yet, I have been pretty busy with work and such, unfortunately my email database got completely wiped out and I lost your url. Could you shoot me an email webmaster at back-off-bitch.net with the url?

Hey Jay :)

Nothing wrong with trying to break into new ground with Google PR. I'd love to see it happen |shake| But I just have gut feeling that the powers that be at Google have placed a ceiling for adult there. Up until lately it was 5, but lately I see a few at 6, so who knows, maybe you can break out.

At the present time Google is "THE" SE, but there have been many before that were "THE" SE. Alta Vista, Excite, etc.

My personal favorite is AOL, those people BUY from my experience, seem to get a large amount of "Looky Lou's" from Google these days.

Linkster - linkster nobody realy "knows" - there are some people on these boards that know a lot, like Danger Dave and then there are people that are just flat out wrong, and then there are meglomaniacs that have the gall to attach the word "guru" to their name. When I started in the business, the guy who I learned from dealt with nothing but se traffic - we didn't even submit to linklists, so I got a good jump on things.

Back Off Bitch - I list pretty much all of you stuff. I'll email the url when i get over to the office - I'm at home now.

Smoothie - Yeah, I remember trying to optimize for excite and all of those old shoolers. Yahoo is switching to Inktomi - IMHO is shooting themselves in the foot. I would never try to find info on Inktomi and in case you didn't know or have seen the AOL commercials - "NOW AOL SEARCHS, ARE FASTER AND EVER - POWERED MY GOOGLE...", so...you know....Google is pretty firmly planted in the and will be here for a while, IMHO.

Weather this takes me to PR7 or not, good content is good content, so there no way it could hurt.

Hey great thread going here come on over to todays chat at 3pm EST we are gonna chew the fat about SE with Linkster. Jay if you see this come on in and chew along :)

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Damn - by the time I saw you post - it was too late. Maybe next Saturady, man.

Not sure these pages will make the break, but sure as hell they will help, especially when you add more of them frequently.

On http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/hardcore.html I found 354 URLs in 366 links, therefrom 287 outgoing links. That's way too much to be effective. Splitting category pages increases overall PR too (proper internal linking assumed), and you gain more points of entry for SE traffic.

In general, the advantages of a structured internal linkage are underestimated. The importance of content (body text!) spread across the pages of a well structured site is underestimated. Homepage PR is overestimated.

Amen :)
Wish they would stop showing PR and let people learn the other 100 things that make a good SE page

Tell us more I got some |popcorn| :)

So, Sebastian..how many links per category pagewould you suggest to be effective?

BTW..I took youradvise and threw away webposition gold..got my pr up to a 4 on the index page in 3 months..so time to work on the rest..

Depends, preferably less than 100 because cat page trades and ads tend to increase the #of outgoing links steadily. A page with 10 site listings can easily have 100+ links, internal links do count. OTOH you haven't enough unique text content with 10 listings per page using the usual short descriptions. If you can sort the listings by keyword phrases, few site listings per page are fine. Let me think 5 seconds longer and I'll find a ton more factors influencing the links management. So the answer is 'depends'.

I know a few moons ago it was the bomb to have a top ten listing now its all PR I am so confused |confused|

A big benefit I see in PR is getting spidered. You can buy a new domain, put it on a high PR page and have SE hits coming in right away. Many benefits to that of course.

the more - and better - listings you have - the more traffic - therefore the more money :)

PR is about getting links counted and new pages spidered like Ramster said.....thats about it

also...some confused notions I hear occasionally...PR is for a single page only...it isnt applied to a site...you just get some of the PR to other pages in the site due to links....the same as if the links came from another site