You stay away from CCbill sponsors?
 

Just checked some LLs and noticed most of them don't list CCbill sponsors in their paysites listings..

Talked to a LL owner and she told me she doesn't like ccbill because of all the scrubbings etc...

I think they're missing some great sites and money from rebills

I don't mind CCBill too much - I'm sure every CC Processor scrubs in their own special way. I do like these newer programs with the cascade billing under one acocunt :)

I have serious concerns about CCBill. |sad|

I tend to stay away from CCBill. I had a sponsor that was using them, but when the sponsor switched away from CCBill, the signups went through the roof, without chargeback problems.

Yeah cascade billing is the best... NATS would be great ;)

better ratios coz the user can choose between 6+ processors... end of the denials..

But I'm still making good money with CCbill sponsors.. promoting them from my tgps too

around $60/sale with OliversGirls
|bananna|


and for LL traffic it should rock... LL users normally stay longer than the normal TGP user which signs up and cancels just to download everything and move on ...

This email from xxxjay about OCCash really had me thinking about the other sponsors I use that are still on CCBILL

"After about a couple weeks of pre-beta testing, we are ready to start using OCCash V2. This is an email is going out to all of our old CCBill affiliates. We've been running cascading billing through NATS and the difference in the numbers is phenomenal...

...We are now running on a NATS backend, which is a huge improvement over using CCBill only. In our first two months running on CCBill only, we found scrubbing up to 30-40% of our sales and there is also the issue cookie loss for affiliates. The cascading NATS backend now tracks everything and is quite solid. Conversions for new affiliates have more than doubled. We will also have a few new sites that are pending Visa approval and free hosted sites for you to promote by the end of the week. "

30-40%! The only reason I still use ccbill sponsors is because of some of the smaller niches like handjobs, footjobs & creampies where if I dropped them, I'd have a lot loss sites listed.

Yeah the OCCash announcement was very impressive.. from 1:1300 to 1:450 sounds great :)

But sometimes i prefer 1:1000 and 3+ rebills instead of 1:500 on $25 per console free sale :)

Well CCBill has been sending us cheques every week for years.. so we aint worried..

DD

It seems everyone wants something new from ccbill, I have never had a problem cheques from them, more than I can say for some processors/sponsors.

Is it just the totally crappy stats and interface that everyone doesn't like? or is it the heavy scrubbing? just curious.

i dont have problems with ccbill sponsors , i use alot, always get my checks no problem here.|violin|

I tend to stay away from sponsors who don't use ccbill.

What's this NATS thing?

no offence, Jay have a great LL with some nice traffic, but he is still new within the paysite biz. He didnt compare apples and apples. The decline ratio on ccbill is about 10%, not 30-40%, I never heard, that somebody would have that high decline ratio. And also he posted that his affliates has a average ratio of 1:1800 at ccbill, forgot that those are raw first page hits + the ratio is not a problem of ccbill. I have 1:500-1000 raws on ccbill stats on average, so he shouldnt blame ccbill. Cascadding is great, but to expect a 10-15% increase from it, is more real.

Yes it wasnt apples to apples, actually he posted from the ccbill "sales per click" page which doesnt show all the sales just the ones that were tracked. Had he took the total clicks divded by the total sales, the ratio would be way lower.

I'm too lazy to check everything strictly but I have nice CCBill check every week and that's the only thing that counts. |bananna|

Yes, what's NATS?

http://nats.toomuchmedia.com/

like mpa ... allowes program owners to bill the clients with more than one processor...:)

ccbill does way better than globill, globosale, psw, probilling, acpay and lancelot |bananna|


cheers,
Luke

The original question about why dont linklists seem to use ccbill programs might be more to do with history than any ccbill issue..

I didn't push almost any revshare programs for many years and I think that's similar to many LL owners. I listed them but never featured them. and there really has been a perception among a lot of webmasters I know that CCbill sucked for conversions for years.. I don't think that's probably correct when compared to epoch and ibill.. but it was said quite often.

Anyway, i use a few ccbill only sites now and seem to do nicely on a few.. and I actually think out of the last group standing in that business, I would rate them probably the best myself now.

Still think to do really well, a program needs its own processing arrangements though..

I don't do well at all with em, but like everything else in this biz, I'm sure their are plenty of people that are. Ya gotta try lots of stuff and stick with what works.

No need to stay away from CCbill sponsors :)

even if you join a program without a ccbill signup page they process a huge number of sales with CCBill :)

My biggest check is week is from CCBill.

I personally love recurring as long as it is a sponsor that actually retains members.

how come you declined my paysite submission then ? |huh

I'd give you some nice % ;)

What is the URL of the paysite that I declined?

There are lots of reasons that I decline a paysite but CCBill is not one of them.

www.hoodpussy.com :)

hehehe

That's so true.

|jester|

It will not load for me. :(

dude, pls add mine sites :)

For instance?

YEAH!!! Got my first post out of the way on here! Great board... lurked for a while... figured this was as good a chance as any to get into the mix!

p.s. Surfn, hit me up on ICQ if you prefer. 84769138

CCBILL
Sr. Account Mngr

I have had a couple sponsors switch to other processors and my signups tripled immediately. I don't want to go any further into the details.


Welcome to the board :)

I'm perfectly happy with my CCBill sponsors. Ratios are as good as, if not better than, other processors.

And Mark keeps my drunk ass off the streets... ;)

I have some ccbill sponsors that convert tgp traffic at 1 in 300 and some 1 in 3000. It has more to do with the site than the processor, IMO.

That's what we did. We were CCBill only at first - switched to the cascade and sales jumped over 30% on the same traffic.

bingo

Welcome... and thanks for all the checks! :)

Can I ask if CCBill have plans to replace or enhance the cookie tracking system in the near future?

:(

we moved to a new server..

i think it was down/slow for a few mins |pcsucks|

We are constantly testing the system and looking for ways to improve it, but since the addition of IP tracking there have not been any major changes planned.

Would be worth explaining how CCbill track affiliates traffic and what percentage might be possibly not tracked if you are able to.

Opti,

We track affiliate traffic by by banner clicks, setting cookies, and gathering the ip. It is basically impossible to come up with a figure of traffic we are unable to track. Please hit me up if you wish to discuss this further.

paulk@ccbill.com
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Thanks Paul, but I don't have an issue with it, just that it was related to the subject of this thread and has been an often posted comment that there is some inherent flaw in your tracking when compared to a program using a system like NATS for example.. and thought it might be good for people in general to hear what the facts are from the horses mouth.

I'm not knocking CCBill, I actually really do prefer to promote sites that use CCBill.

I've read a lot of posts about this NATS... what is it? An affiliate tracking system?