I want a job
 

Hire me.

I'd expect pay commensurate with my skills. In other words, I'm cheap.

I really want a company car, preferably one with a popular brewery decal on each side.

Something with extensive European travel would be great. There was a point at which I could speak German at the Kindergarten or first grade level, but now I'm more along the lines of a toddler, just learning to toddle. Ich habe eine Panne. Bitte mir ein Schleppwagen anrufen!

Are you serious or is this just a Useless post?

Both. I'm a tad mixed up right now. I'm considering leaving the industry, but at the same time I'd simply hate to give up all the work that I have put in to it. It's just not panning out.

It takes time to get to a point where you are happy. If you hang in there through the rough times and keep plugging away, you will thank yourself later on :)

We all go through rough times every now and then. It may be financially, whiny submitters, boredom and everything else that can happen in this crazy business.
Just look at what your goals are (personal and business) and see if they go hand in hand. If they don't, then you have your answer. But if they do, then it's just to hang in there. Take a break and when you get back do some brain storming and maybe you will come up with another angle to go about doing things?

Good luck what ever you choose :)

PS. Get your own car, call up the brewing company and tell them that you love them and that you are willing to put ads on your car if they pay you enough - voila! Now you got a free car ;)

I know that sometimes it can be frustrating talking to friends that have no relation to this industry, other than being on the surfer side ;)
So if you need someone that can see it from this perspective my icq is 252081.

Like swedguy says. Feel free to step away. But don't throw it away.

Keep what you have already so you have something to come back to.

Of coarse I would rather see you not go at all...

things are always darkest before it is pitch black.

:)

Having been where you are many times throughout my life, I can say that usually you just need to regroup, refocus, and learn from your mistakes.

I'm on month 26 of my reworking my life. Choices I've made over the last few years have made it difficult, but, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and this time its not an oncoming train. Probably more of an SUV or 18-wheeler. haha

Keep your head up. Things are bound to turn soon.

ya know, UW, ya gotta shake thru a lotta silt mixed with BS before you find those golden nuggets that make us say.. THAT's why were here!!

it does help to interact with your fellow/fellowette wm even if it is only thru Hoo or Q.

maybe a few sessions of on the couch er bench will give you new prospective or new thought process to jumpstart your view again.

and besides you can't leave, you're the "everyman" of the board.. the "greek chorus" ..the Bill Mahr of Porn.. |king|

Would you feel better if I sent you $175? |couch|

Keep at it in some way :) It's hard to get things to pan out sometimes..

Sometimes a little thing like "It's easier to get 10 hits to 1000 sites than it is to get 1000 hits to 10 sites." can be very encouraging to think of.

You guys are the best. You really are. That's why I hang my hat here at GG&Jim's porn palace and 1 hour dry cleaning emporium.

I'm not giving in just yet, just pondering my options. Some days I find it particularly difficult to ride the waves. This has been one of those days. Just seems that every time I think that my income is growing from a trickle to a stream, someone up river builds the dam higher. I try to remind myself that everyone goes through this, but I'm so damn good at feeling sorry for myself, I sometimes get swept away in the moment.:D

Thanks for the encouragement. Now get back to work!

Hey GG- do you think Lensman would hire me? I think it's time that he got someone with personality in the office.

I will say that sales for January have been disappointing. This has been surprising since December was a record month.

Hang in there :)

Cleo
Same here.

"Patience is the art of idling your motor, when you wish you could strip your gears" :D

Useless, howlong have you been in the industry if you don't mind me asking? As for January, I set a new record for sales and income, but that's not really saying too much. :D

UW, just sent you a pm.

I first started back in late 2001/early 2002 when I lost my job during a long and ugly labor strike. Since then, I have made many very poor attempts to gain a foot hold of some sort, but ultimately failed each time. What I have done is attempt to learn along the way. Even when I wasn't active, I would read the boards and try to figure out how on earth everyone was doing this for a living.

Since then, my beloved whoringwives.com has been a paysite, a swinger's resource site, a really poorly planned hub, and many incarnations of a TGP.

I had an interesting ICQ chat with a newbie a while back who wanted to know the key to my success. That's when I let him know I that I am not an success by any means. "Oh, but you seem to know so much" That is when I fall back on the old saying - Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.:D

I hope this isn't a stupid question, but do you build and submit freesites?

Remember, the only stupid question is one in which you ask something stupid.:D

Yes I do. Most of the money I have made is off of free sites. But it is far from being a steady income.

Hehe Useless..

You gave me a good laugh, thanks. Howmany freesites would you say you have? The reason I'm asking, is because I'm just now approaching 100 freesites for myself, and am just now starting to see some sales start to add up. And I should add, I'm nowhere near where I want to be. :D

But, I think it will take several hundred if not a thousand or more freesites to be able to sit back and relax a little bit IMO. Keep your head up man, and don't give another thought to giving in!

hey Useless.. head up... haven't you noticed we start these doleful 'my worst month in biz' threads each month and everyone allways agree? it's just the way it goes but we all are still here.. have a beer or two and get back to work you lazy bastard :)

GG, you can send me 175 if it makes you feel better. :)

Perhaps a random LowryBigwood contest? |thumb

Hi UW,
Keep your chin up :D Easier said than done I know, and I'll agree with Cleo & Ramster, December was my best ever, and January sucked ass. So far Feb is shit, although we are only into a few days of it so I'm not overly worried JUST yet, although I've taken up a friend's offer of 2 weeks manual work to get back on track. Hope it pans out OK for you, and you stay in the biz. As you say, 2/3 years input is a lot to walk out on. I don't know if you are in the position to, but this year has opened my eyes up to the 'put some away for a rainy day' philosophy, and when I get back on a good run I'll be doing that instead of my usual mantra 'hey let me see how fast I can spend all this' :D

I know what you feel man and I am in the same boat.. And Many times I have thought of giving up but I will allways Keep my hosting up and if your not making enough go get a job and what you make there and online should be enough to keep things ok.. free sites are just a small part of what it takes to make money.. you should have LL maybe a tgp and try adwords on some soild things and most important you have to submitt daily and if your tgp is not making anything just put it on the back burner and do something that you made money at before.. And think of it like this if you can double your traffic and the number of free sites you have - in turn you should double your money.. And I am not really making enough either but I am in a different position than you maybe..

Is Greenguy the only person that makes money in this business?

I think Jim's makeing money too or he needs to talk to the GreenOne about their partnership |headbang|

Useless hang in their just keep throwing shit at the wall some of it has to stick

If there is one thing about this board I like, it's the fact that I always feel the love. You are great gang of porn mongers. Don't ever let anyone telling differently.

And don't you worry. I'm not going anywhere. I may not have my share of the market yet, but I'll keep dicking away at it until I do. I'm very fortunate to have a super supportive wife who gives me a kick in the ass when I'm feeling sorry for myself. She's cute too.

Well I do need some dirty deeds done dirt cheap…

Don't let anybody kid you, it's way harder than it used to be to make decent money in this business.

You'll hear people say "I had a record month last month", yada yada- but that's not the general trend. Overall, things are tougher.

You should read iggy's tut. An inspiration for everyone. It's on the board somewhere.
It will cheer you up.

I fail to see how.

UW, you're definitly not alone in this...tell you the truth, the last three months have been dismal sales wise for me. There's been times before this when I've seen sales just about daily (it wasn't 3, 5 or whatever everyday, but sales none the less), and getting better and it made me feel like I was actually accomplishing something. Now though...I've had the same thaughts about just saying screw this & going back to working non-adult whatever. BUT, even though right now it looks bad, just remember the determination you had before to make it in this business and apply it now. I know it's pretty dis-heartening to see a lack of sales everytime you log on to a sponsor, expecting to see some after building/submitting/whatever & thinking this new site/project will definitly bring in sales. Been going through that phase recently and yes, it sucks to feel that way.

Hey, who knows, next month may start an upward trend of kick ass sales and all. But yeah, my wife is very supportive towards me in this also and kicks my ass just as hard whenever I start thinking about giving all this up. It's been a pretty long path to travel and there's aways to go yet...but why give up after coming all this way? |thumb

All you can do is keep plugging away. When I first started, I went about 6 months without making a penny. Of course, I didn't have any idea that I could make money :) After my first check, I knew this was the only business I wanted to do for the rest of my life. So far, So good...

Thanks for the encouragement Jim :)

In the book "Think and Grown Rich", Napoleon Hill tells a true story about R.U. Darby.

An uncle of his had caught gold fever back in the gold rush days. He staked a claim and worked with lust for gold. After a few weeks of labor he was rewarded with some shiny ore. He needed machinery to bring the ore to the surface. He covered up his mine and went back home to raise the money for machinery from friends, relatives and neighbors. Mr Darby and his uncle returned to the mine with the needed equipment and began to work.

The first car of ore was mined and shipped to a smelter, proving they had one of the richest mines in Colorado. A few more cars of that ore would clear their debts, then would come the big killing in profits.

Down went the drills, up went their hopes. Then something happened, the vein of gold disappeared! They drilled on, desperately trying to pick up that vein again, but to no avial. Finally they decided to quit.

They sold the machinery to a junk man for a few hundred dollars and took the train back home.

Some junk men are dumb, but not this one. He called in a mining engineer to look at the mine and do a little calculating. The engineer advised that the project had failed, because the owners where not familiar with "Fault Lines". His calculations showed that the vein would be found JUST THREE FEET FROM WHERE THE DARBY'S HAD STOPPED.

The "junk" man took millions of dollars in ore from the mine.

R.U. Darby later went on to sell millions in life insurance, of course, because he learned not to take no for an answer, and not to stop three feet before the gold...:)

ronnie

Hey Ronnie,

That's a great story. Thanks for sharing, it gives us all a valuable lesson. Don't stop building, sooner or later, you gotta make some money at it. :)

I can't believe this thread is still alive.

I noticed that no one has stepped up and offered me a company car yet though. |greenguy|

you could be viper & yukon wash boy

Any one that has been in this business for any amount of time, I think would agree, often it can come down to one thing that ends up working very well. And pushing on till something does work. Going past the point of wanting to quiting.

But of course, many people cant go past that point. I would be the first to admit, it can be difficult, even harder when things are not going well in the first place.

Most people find it much easier to give up and have the security of working for some one else. Which most likely wont make them rich..:)

ronnie