Index doorway trick (or some magic :)
 

To the attention of LL owners and posters!

Looks like some sly guys who post free sites to SortLinks,
begin to use very simple technique to generate doorways.

Theoretically
".. One can put 2 indexes: index.htm and index.html in one folder and then in .htaccess
set any of these pages as default page for the folder... so someone's recips (on the other page) will got off"


Example:
http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/te...ring/index.htm
See the page google indexes :
http://216.239.59.104/search?sourcei...ng%2Findex.htm
Sortlink's recip is out there :)

some of those guys use this trick to google-cache their own page instead of recips page
http://www.thepantyhose.ws/foot-jobs/index.htm (see google cache)...and all of his free sites.


To free site posters: These are doorways. Please DO NOT use such technique
PLEASE USE structure like that:
domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

To Link List owners: Check your listed sites, I think you may find these examples easily at your LL. :(
Please watch carefully and post cheaters there...

Hm, interesting.

Nice catch too.

for what it's worth, the assfuck who owns thepantyhose.ws is blacklisted by me as well as all his other domains. This is just the latest on him. Do a board search and you'll come up with a thread or two in "cheaters" :)

it isn't a trick, it has been posted here numerous times to put recips on .htm and .html because every list is starting to demand that they are on an index page... if there are both index.htm and index.html files in the same directory .html is the default and that is what google caches

Just curious, how does someone submit to multiple LL's then? Duplicate the page and put it in a new folder? I don't do freesites anymore, but was curious about the process :D

|yawn|

I think the best way is the example given in the post which started the thread:

domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

You would have one set of images in the site's main directory, referred to as 'site1' above. Then you'd make copies of the html pages, put them in subdirectories, and link to the images in the main directory. Some people copy only the index page and put it in a subdirectory, then link it back to a single main page, but jumping directories can get you rejected at some lists. There are, of course link lists that you'll want to put on the sites true index because of the value of their traffic, or it's abundance.

Ah, I see. So why wouldn't you submit to the top 12 lists only? If you submit to say 120 linklists, putting 12 LL's Recips per page, you're creating 10 duplicate pages and would probably end up getting hosed in the SE's for the duplicate page penalty?

I've noticed this with my tgp gallery pages, I used to SEO all the pages and use text sales pitch. They do get indexed in google, but I get killed because of the the fact there's x number of duplicate pages created.

Sure reducing the LL's to the top 12 would cut down on the initial burst of traffic, but wouldn't it help you in the long run in SE traffic if you did that?

I agree, Mr. Blue. That's one of the reasons that I only submit to the amount of link lists that I can fit on a single index. The other reason is laziness. At the same time, I wouldn't suggest my business plan to anyone, unless I didn't like them. ;)

:D That makes complete sense. I guess if you really wanted to you could make the duplicate pages "no index" in the meta tags, but that would be kinda sleazy and unfair. So, less is more in the long run.

Others would argue, the more "different" link backs you have is better. 120 links from 120 different urls is better than 12. So they say...:)

ronnie

I wonder if the 120 linkbacks would negate the duplicate page penalty. I'm thinking it wouldn't...I guess you could always change the index page enough so it wouldn't be an exact duplicate. Say, change the alt tags and the warning for entering the site might be enough to remove that penalty.

Course thats a very big question, how much in similarity is duplicate? According to SE's. Probably something that does'nt have a accurate answer.

ronnie

Japamor posts here, maybe he'll reply?

ronnie

The warning text on most freesites is pretty lengthy though...if you came up with enough variations you might do alright into tricking the spiders.

Hi All
I've already swapped several Emails with Sortlinks over this. I thought that using index.html and index.htm was just normal practice. I certainly didn't realise that Google always defaulted to the .html.

I presume then that .htm sites have no real use to Free Site makers?
All I can say is that in future all my sites will be on a true index. My apologies to LL owners who've been on my .htm sites.
We live and learn.
japamor

Once the page is full of different recips links it's no longer a duplicate, right?

Now there's a thought...hmm, interesting.

Here you got an useful tool (posted by PointingPercy on another thread on the SEO forum) to see if your site may be falling victim to the Google duplicate content filter. Apparently a duplicate rating of 75 - 80% is pretty bad news for your SEP's.
http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php - Duplicate content tool.
Hope it helps ;)

Mcbethar |peace|

TY, looks like a good way to check.

Assuming that the tool actually reflects Google's reality, the more text-based recip tables you use on your mirrored warning pages the better.

I was under the apparently-misguided impression that mirrored index pages for LL submissions were standard practice. I know that certainly used to be the case, and at one time all of the big WM boards taught that as a matter of course (some still do).

Granted, I've been out of the loop for awhile and things may have (probably have) changed while I was away... |dizzy|

Yeah,
The best may ever is to use the structure of first post, and modify each doorway's main and gallery pages by hand (pretty much of code-jerking :)

But as long as every singly index page is filled with diffrent recips this example alone serves well.

Google has this URL in it's DB & look at the "Google Cache of":

http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/teenblondefingering/

which would be whatever the default index page is on the server.

My guess is Google's trying to be "intelligent" about people looking for blah.com/ndex.html or blah.com/index.htm and defaults to blah.com/ if it has it.

nope..i agree.. chances are there is more traffic generated by the .htm pages to the recepts listed on it than there is to the html pages listed in google.

of course this has been a topic of OTB on several occassions.. and perhaps those who aren't quite familiar with the html/htm concept should make a point in attending.

and if the theory is that you have to be on the HTML page to get listed, i think quite a few of the smaller medium sized LL will see a decrease in submits which decreases traffic.

Think bookmarkers, think link pop, think updated PR value.

play to your audience not the google gods.

Looks like another difficult choice.

Probably changing the text on the different doorway pages is the best method. Just means the whole making and submitting process will be longer |yawn|

But i suppose it means both LLs and SEs are happy. (well i guess SEs wont be happy but their spiders should not notice). Just more work for free site creaters. |cry|

I think it caches default page.
the one that is first exist in .htaccees directive:

"Directory index index.html index.htm index.php "
and the one which of course appears after "/" by default

For fair free site creators I would say :)
Cheaters are not affected this way.

I agree!

but i think (or would hope) that in the end fair free site creaters will get thier reward. Link lists and SEs hate cheaters and try to get rid of them - they may get away for it for a while but its short lived and if they focused as much time on trying to make a genuine site rather than how to trick SEs and LLs they would do better

Just my two cents (but going off on a tangent a bit)

Another guy played with sortlinks.com :)
http://www.free-nudrelds-links.com/f...lon/index.html (default, cached, no recip)
http://www.free-nudrelds-links.com/f...ylon/index.htm (doorway recip but not cached)
do you know him?
here is his msg after my request:
"Hi!
I have two pages such as index.htm and index.html with different
recips. Why the google shows other page, I don't know. I have usual
free site and scriptless hosting. Write me, if you don't want to work with me, and my software remove all your recips. Did you check my other sites?"

guys, any comments?

Seems to me like an intentional way to cheat. Dont waste your time with it, band him and move on, there are plenty of genuine submitters out there.

I have posted a couple of times now and killed all threads I have posed the question - mirrored directories - ok so the index is changed with recips etc. but theres still at least another 3 pages in that folder that are being duplicated exactly many times over if for example you sub to 200 LLs.

What is the reasoning that all html must be in the same folder? Why can the mirrored directories not contain only the index.html and link to the original mainpage? On a freesite no-one links back to the warning page from the main or gallery pages, so I can't work out what the benefits or reasoning that all html must be in the same folder and cant just jump from

/freesite/foldera/index.html
/freesite/folderb/index.html
/freesite/folderc/index.html
/freesite/folderd/index.html
back to

/freesite/mainpage.html

If it's because of something to with more content in the same folder, then wouldn't google penalise for the dupe pages in those folders and thus penalise the folder itself, making that concept flawed? What am I not seeing or just plain ignorant on :D

Anyone able to enlighten me before I go nuts lol ?

My idea is this:

If you want to submit to 120 link sites, make 10 folders. Copy your entire site (less the images) into each folder. Now, change the return links in 9 of them, and also change the meta tags, title tags, and perhaps use a different warning text on each one. Always use different warnings with different returns (so they are not the same over and over on different domains).

ta-da. You now have 10 completely different sites without all that much effort, and they are all different, and google will likely pick up every one of them.

Think past the end of your nose.

Alex

Jel, a bunch of doorways that lead to a single inside site would almost certainly (1) piss google off, and (2) lead to little or no return traffic to the link sites giving you the links.

It is normal that only the root doorway will be listed, not the other doorways. So the guys on the other doorways get, well, weak soup.

Alex

If you guys think google is fooled by having the same site in different folders with indexes, you are nuts.

Fuck all you little linklist owners with your wacky rules and your ego trips.

Next month you'll want a blowjob with your submission, for your crappy hit a day.

I think I'm getting to be known as pretty damned anal as far as reviewing and declining for minor shit goes, but I pay very, very little attention to directory structure and page naming schemes. I don't see the big deal here. I review for the surfer first. If the surfer is happy, the list will grow.

I've found that with each mirror in its own complete directory and changing the text completely on all pages in each page of the freesite (meta tags, title, content on pages, the lot) that I still got hit hard for duplicate content. To be fair its only one site so only expect one result in SEs for it. I decided it was best to spend the time making new freesites.


I dont really know why the LL owners want wach site in thier own directory I just do it. But I would really like to find out why.

Really!
 

IMHO this isn't possible. If your really doing what you describe above then you no longer have duplicate pages... bottom line. Spiders only see what you give them they aren't psychic.

Correction!
 

Let me correct this, the only remote possibility (remote) that you're getting hit for dup content would be because your not changing the alt tags. Since a freesite is mostly pics on the content side, try changing those too. Will also give you a chance to experiment with new keywords.

That is true - I dont think I did change the alt tags. Still I think its best just to spend the time making a new freesite rather than changing the text, meta tags, alt tags etc on a number of different mirrors.