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Building Adult Search Engine
In a genuine effort of building independent adult search engine and portal [JoyScape], I need your guys' input. As a webmaster, what facilities you would like to see us implementing, what puts you off or on when you want to get listed in such a newish adult portal (other than obvious traffic generation - which we are making some headway in this direction)
All suggestions are welcome in any aspect to make JoyScape a webmaster friendly place besides being surfer friendly. If you want to take a look before giving your input, the url is: www.JoyScape.com cheers |
I think a lot of webmasters are looking for PR (which you have), but your go2.php kind of denies it being passed on.
Apart from that........ :) |
Hi Kim |waves| welcome to the board :)
An interesting project. IMO you are losing tons of potential ad pace with big banners on the results page. Instead I would have 4-5 nice text links. |
I just submitted my freesite to your search engine :) Hope the project works out well for ya
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Thx urb.
---------- I know go2.php is a bit of a double edged sword. It's been implemented to avoid rip-off spider bots. Some other well known portals [Yahoo] has been doing the same and asking $600 per year to be or to be considered to be listed, or was it the other way round! No, I am not comparing JoyScape to "Yahoo". They are #1 while we are hovering around #58000. At present we can just dream being a "Yahoo" type of resource for adult content surfers and webmasters. Hello surfn, -------------- Thx. Certainly it's someting we should look into in the near future. At present we are all piled into building a valuable substance before asking anybody to pay us. Maybe we are overdoing it and start looking for advertising sponsors? Hello lordaron, ------------------ Thx I'll get your site listed in your submitted category and JoyScape AVS sites section as you qualified [main page reciprocal] for JoyScape "Preferred Link Partner" status cheers everybody |
Kim, apart from what I mentioned, I really like your site. :)
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I dont get it?
Beastiality? Incest? Lolitas? Individual galleries? No free sites? DD |
|sad| Oooopps, except for the bits that Dave just mentioned.
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You know you don't have to build a search engine from scratch, you can use our resources and make some nice money off it. We pay our traffic affiliates 50/50 net off the click.
Here are a few Examples of what we can do: http://www.sexaroo.com/search.php http://www.wildsex.com/ Private Label - Search Engine http://www.billywildhack.com/index.shtml Private Label - Search Box http://www.smutblaster.com/ Private Label - TGP Let me know if you want to explore this farther... Happy Halloween!!! |
nancella - Kim has obviously decided to build an actual search engine (a big one too I might add) so your post is, for lack of a better word, ignorant.
Kim - shitcan the borderline illegal niches & then we'll take another look at it :) |
Hello DangerDave,
------------------- Let us be broad minded adults. Plz remember we do not have any content that you point out on JoyScape, we just list them like others such as Google. However, one area that we feel very strongly and don't list under any circumstances is sites that feature or promote under-age sex and sexual acts. Where did you get the idea of Lolitas??? I'm not clear what you refer to as "Free Sites" and "Individual galleries". Plz enlighten me... Hello nancella ----------------- Thx for the offer. I think we are talking on different levels. Money is not the driving force for us. We are trying to build a genuine & ind adult search engine. cheers to all |
Hello Greenguy,
Thx, much appreciated. We are based in the Netherlands. Over here attitute towards sex and sexuality is much more relaxed than many other countries. There again, if we are trying to build a global adult search we need to show some respect to other's feelings and views but NOT those impotent & frigid censorship freaks. Plz tel me the favourite candidates for the "shitcan" in JoyScape... Cheers |
I'd shitcan the beasty stuff for sure - I too am not sure where DDave saw the ****** or incest categories - maybe he can shed some light on the subject :)
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Kim,
I know "your site" doesn't host the content.. but it still links to it.. http://www.joyscape.com/index.php?a=...eywords=incest http://www.joyscape.com/index.php?a=...eywords=****** http://www.joyscape.com/index.php?a=list&dir=461405 You have 45,000 odd TGP galleries listed on there.. but not one free site? That doesn't make sense to me... and it looks like your a big TGP with some other bits added on. I realise that the netherlands and europe are a little more open than most.. but as you said aiming for a global audience means looking at your biggest market and their reactions to what you have. I am not saying remove anything.. what you link is your choice. DD |
Hello DangerDave,
I am sorry, but I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding your point. I will assume your personal view is that it's wrong for any website to have anything to do with the subjects you have highlighted. Therefore you are against it and they should be banned, barred and so forth. If I'm wrong plz correct me. In light of the above assumption, I had a look "Danger Search" and found a result for the word "******" and "Incest" Also shouldn't you remove "We will list anything!" phrase from your forum signature? Plz understand, I'm not criticizing you or saying right or wrong for having THE words or the links. I am a true believer of free speech and freedom of choice. On Monday, when everybody is back, I'll put beasty stuff on the discussion table for whether we should keep it or remove it. I'll announce the outcome here. I can not accept censoring any word whatsoever. I'm sure you know yourself that some webmasters uses inappropriate words and phrases to describe their site. We don't need to go in detail discussion here. We are living in a multi-dimensional world. Plz try to see more than one of them. Remember they first burned books, then... Sorry but I can't agree with "and it looks like your a big TGP with some other bits added on" There are plenty more useful, mostly hand picked sites - unlike some who just copies "DMOZ" without even any credit. Perhaps, you didn't have enough time to look around properly. Again, there are a lot of free sites listed in JoyScape. Just look at any category accept "Membership Sites". Our definition of "FREE" is as the word meant to be. When you ask a fee for a site it's no longer free. Therefore we don't classify AVS sites as free as long as you have to pay to access, no matter how big or small that payment may be. Mind you we still list them. Maybe you are referring to the sites as free, those offer few Image galleries with plenty of ads. Well we will still list them when they are submitted, as long as it's not overwhelmed with banners and ads. Also, we will not list just an affiliate entry page. We list direct links to galleries in line of the feedback we get from the JoyScape surfers. In closing, I have no intention of bitching anybody or their business here. I prefer to provide and receive constructive feedback and help where I can. cheers |
I think what Danger Dave is trying to say some of the stuff your listing may be legal where you are but its sure not in most other places :)
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Kim,
My personal view has no bearing on what you do... you asked for opinions.. so you got mine;) MML made one point better than I could.. If you want to be a everything to everyone "portal", thats fine.... but things like... having beastility links off your front page are not going to help.. DD |
Nice looking site, looks like a lot of work went it to it.
Bestiality is legal where I live, but I choose not to list it at my link list. To each their own I always say, but that doesn't mean I will list it. Personally I think it is far worse to kill animals and eat their flesh then to have sex with them, but then I find both pretty fucking gross. The kind of content you list will reflect the morals of the site's owners. It will also affect who will link to you. I will not exchange links with a site that promotes bestiality and especially ****** stuff. It is your site so do what you want, but understand you do not operate in a vacuum. For me this means listing basically anything between two consenting adults. This means nothing under 18 and no animals. |
Hello MrMaryLou,
Thx for the help. This point has already been noted in my previous massages. My longish answer to DD was to clarify the way it has been put through |
DangerDave,
Thx for the clarification. Now, I can understand your view about JoyScape much more objectively. And Thx for your patience. |
Hello Cleo,
Thx. I'm pleased to ascertain that you are one of those lucky ones who can see what they are looking at. Unfortunately, JoyScape needs much more hard work to make it what we want it to be. Any volunteers..? What about, if we stick to proper definitions instead of the words that can be interpreted differently by individuals subject to their point of view. I prefer to use the term 'underage sex' instead of the word '******' and other slang. What do you think, Cleo? We share your views about underage sex and sites that feature such material, 100% |
As promised, just to let everybody know the result of the JoyScape slaves vote.
Discussion topic was: Should we drop Bestiality and some other iffy site's listing from JoyScape or not? 25% Voted: Against 70% Voted: For 5% Not Sure As a result we have now removed all the Bestiality and some other links from JoyScape listing. I thank everybody for their past and future helpful input. |
OK... it's a big ask, but I'd really like to submit my sites to joyscape without having recip... just like a real search engine :)
OK, I know it's probably not going to happen, but I thought I'd just say it. Also, is a "free image and movie archive" like a free site? I find that fairly confusing. It seems that there is no definition between tgp-type pages and real free sites with a warning page. I'm not going to ask for a "for women" free category coz it just gets me into trouble LOL |
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Beastiality isnt that where the men are men and the sheep are Scared :-) Or is it when ya drive by a field of sheep and they all Say daaaaaaddddyyyyy Had to throw some humor in the mix |rasta| |
Kim, IMHO, you shouldn't of had to put it to a vote. Bestiality and other wonderful subjects that were listed just ain't good business. The processors of note won't process for it, I don't Visa wants to process for it, so there is no way to turn it into money.
Good luck with it. I hope you don't have to put anything else to a vote that should be that obvious! :-) Alex |
I agree with Alex. If you can't make money from something and it's not legal generally, why bother?
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I will cote Bill Cosby here: " I am not sure what is way to success, but I know what is way to failure....Try to please everybody!"
I like site, beside fact that I couldn't find way to submit site. http://www.joyscape.com/add_site.php . Add site, Suggest site, Submission policy, Linking info....All links just get you on starting point, and I couldn't find form where someone actually can submit link. Am I blind or what ? |
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Hello grandmascrotum
---------------------------- What's wrong supporting a nice adult resource like JoyScape? After all, we can only go forward by supporting one another. "Free image and movie galleries" is as the words are meant to be. When a surfer clicks on a listing, they go straight to a gallery page. No intermediate ad pages. If you have enough galleries [in line of the above] we would be happy to add "for women" category for you. Hello guitar riff ------------------- Great... we all need some fun from time to time. Hello RawAlex ----------------- Unfortunately, or should I say fortunately, people don't like to be told. No matter how bad or good, it's always nicer to communicate with people around us in an equal manner. How else we can keep "sweet harmony" urb ----- Thankfully, money is not the only driving force for us at JoyScape. [In general, not specific to the subject at hand] I don't believe submitting to every law THEY throw at us. If it's not fair, will you just accept it and obey or fight to change it for the better. Steamy ---------- Thx. Even though, recently we have tried to improve the submission area, but it looks like we couldn't do it well. We will try to it improve further if we can. When you go to the submission page by clicking on "Add URL" link on the home page, first you need to choose a suitable category for your site to submit to. Once you do this you'll see the submission form. I suspect you were short of time and couldn't read the submission help text on the same page. Perhaps it needs further simplification for busy people like yourself. cheers to all |
Kim, with recips, I was mainly thinking about the time I would need to spend. If I didn't have to do a recip, I could just whip over and add a dozen URLs. Quick, easy, suits my lazy ass methods LOL and it would make me more inclined to add a URL. (My existing sites are hand coded so it would take time to add recips to each site and upload). So that was my motivation for the frivolous no-recip comment. I know that recips help get traffic and it was not meant to be a serious question really.
Thanks for clearing up where Joyscape stands in relation to traditional freesites. I don't do TGP-type galleries so I don't have anything to submit at present :) |
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Hi Kim,
|thumb Initial impresion was very nice. Clearly, a great deal of work went into this and your team really sweated the details. How many hours overall would you say went into that site? One suggestion I'd make is to have a couple different style sheets for easy layout changes. Laptops and LCD screens and big monitors are really coming on strong. My webstats show a big spike in very high screen resolutions over the past 6 months. Even at just 1152x864 the text is a bit tiny. It's well optimized for 800x600, but offering multiple text sizing/color combos would be easy and beneficial IMO. I read the previous posts and read this: http://www.joyscape.com/aboutus2.php I think unless one is young and idealistic, the initial thought is where does the money trail go? That's no cheap template site. So, there was a lot of resources human and computer used to make it. Someone is paying to host it, monitor it, operate it..promote it, etc... Forgive some people for being skeptical but it is very rare for someone to put that much resource into something without considering ROI. The fact the site claims to be so altruistic but... "Your listing in JoyScape is totally free but we would require a reciprocal link to JoyScape from your site." ...has me wondering if this is a very smart long term goal to set up a a site with a lot of links, good PR then one day it redirects to one of the 13 other domains on that IP that does sell something. I guess...a lot of us are jaded. I am not stating the above is true in any way at all, but that was the first thing that popped into my head. There is a lot of intelligence and "man" hours in that site but it's not about money. Just things that make one think is all. It's very slick indeed- truly...no sarcasm in that. Has a PFI scheme been considered? If you hand check all the sites like DMOZ, what happens if you start to get dozens of submissions per day...or more? In the rate the site aspect anyone can rate the site, right? So, all the competitiors will say a certain site is bad. The submitter will ask all his friends to rate the site good. :-) I dunno- a lot of things I don't get. If you were agressively searching for sponsors, launched an AdWords and Overture campaign I'd feel things were more..."kosher". Talent is there...potential is there- where's the beef? Good luck though. You're either someone to look out for or...someone to kiss up to with those design skills at hand. |smooch| ;-) |
Hi AW,
I thank you for your valuable in depth feedback. Much appreciated. First of all let me clarify this money business. Of course we all like to get some return for the work we have been putting into it, in terms of monetary and non-monetary areas. JoyScape is a fairly young website. We have to develop and enhance it further. Once it's viable, then we will be looking into various options. However, we will never turn it into a promotion center or a re-direction site. Our overriding goal to provide quality adult resources for the surfers will always remain the same. Of course, running and maintaining JoyScape costs money. We were lucky enough to find some people who has seen the long term possibilites in our ideas. Yes, you are right. We put a lot of work in JoyScape. We do this as a long term investment and everybody is aware that our investment may not yield any result. I'm not saying we are doing everything 100% correctly. No doubt there are shortcomings in some areas. Perhaps, you could be kind enough to give us further guidence especially in the direction of promotions. |
Kim,
I'm a total newbie to the biz. If you're really dead serious you'd hire a consultant who takes to your site and has success in this industry. A track record. Let me ask this: What are some specific goals of the site? Short term and long term? Are you trying to compete with the big boys like sex.com? What is your marketing budget in order to reach the goals of the site? A year from now, how do you and your team envision the site? If money isn't the primary goal then the 'ethical' aspects are and those are personal based on your group. Regardless, you need to market your ass off. If anything, launch an AdWords campaign *just* to jump start your forum. If you can get your site sticky this will help a lot. In particular, if you can get like minded people to join your forum they can spread the word, slap links around, etc... In the end, since the ultimate goals of your site are psychologically based your victory will be personal and only you will know when you have victory. |
We cover all aspects of sexuality - that's the point of a proper search engine isn't it?
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Wow!
Nice looking site! HUGE! |thumb Good luck! /Thomas |
Nice read......
But it seems joyscape has become a PAST !! Can somebody confirm it |
Wow, the dead walk !!
Yes it seems that site is down for me as well. I do not know much about them otherwise. |
A lot can happen in 11 months & 1 day :D
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