Katrina aftermath - what the fuck???
 

Ok, I don't normally respond to political issues, but this is simply a dead fucking wrong response.
See if you can spot 1 white person left in New Orleans???

Look folks, yeah, they were told to leave. But you know what, they don't have a car and simply can't leave! They couldn't afford one!!
You can't simply leave them there to die, (which they will).
They could supply Berlin with airlifts in WWII with supplies but they can't supply our own damn city?

I honestly don't know what the hell this administation is thinking.
Trust Me - there will be thousands and thousands of deaths.

Looting, flooding etc... Good thing we sent millions of dollars to New Orleans for an evacuation plan! Seems that money was well spent!

Get the people out of there, and call it a right off. Anything built below sea level from now on should be declined building permits period.

Bush, I have about as much faith in you as a rock.

Enough ranting, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Ever heard of The Netherlands? ;)

SirMoby - yes I have, I was speaking of the US only, my apologies.
I don't think that Holland (Netherlands) have needed to survive a hurricane.

and btw- they have their plans together. The massive (millions of dollars) of closeable dikes, and what not.

Apparently, we just don't think that far in advance! :)

Great point dareutwo got into the same discussion with some people last night. If your poor and your told to leave how do you??? They didn't send any one in to remove them which is such bullshit. Does it have any thing to do with the fact it is a poor area of blacks? Of couse it does. One lady said it right on CNN yesterday. Where was National Guard when we needed them? Oh thats right they are in Iraq!! All this aftermath would move so much smoother if we just brought our boys home. Help is needed to protect and save our own people.

i just seen Bush at CNN , damn these guy looked scared, he cant handle the situation poor busterd

The thing is with every hurricane there are people who refuse to evac out of "it won't happen to me" attitude even when they own a car and have a tv set to hear about it days in advance.

btw anyone knows whats up with SpaceManspiff (freepicsessex.com) and Rogue ?
as i remmember these guys from louisiana , and i didnt seen them goes online since katrina droped by, hope those guys are well

It's Republican policy to let black people fend for themselves.

Except when it's Republican policy to treat them like criminals at police stops. (I'm referring to the recent Government Statistics officlal who quit when he was told to suppress a report that showed that whites and blacks were stopped by police at equivalent and essentially fair levels, but that after the stop, blacks and latino's were 80% more likely to be treated agressively, handcuffed, searched, and detained.)

Fortunately, emergencies like this will reveal Emporer Smirk's mismanagement.

Watch his Republican buddies run like rats from a sinking ship as this next year unfolds.

Also, tho I'm not all that familiar with the construction methods over there but from what I can see is that timber framed houses are whats mostly constructed - concrete blocks should be mandatory in a hurricane prone zone.

It's just getting worse by the day. :(

I don't know if it is so much of a race thing as it is a case of the poor being the ones that are getting hurt the worst.

I don't know, it's just a big fucking horrible mess. :(

are there any citizen or private movements that assist those people ?
i mean beside the national guard

I'm more worried about the aftermath on a national level. Can our economy handle this?

If I was there, I wouldn't wait on my roof for more than 12 hours. I'd float my pungent ass to land and then keep on going. Those poor fuckers have nothing left, nothing to return to. It's like they were just born into the world at the age of 30, with no possessions, no work, no direction, nothing.

isnt fixing all the houses and the city suppose to create new work places ?

I've donated money to the Red Cross for the hurricane victims. I also sponsor a local Red Cross class to train volunteers that want to go to the affected areas.

spacemanspif and jenny are from Baton Rouge I think. Haven't heard from them myself.

yahoo seems to have a problem with verbiage.. let me see if i can find the links..

"black people loot"

"White people find"

The thing is.. how many of us would be able to evacuate in a 12 hour time span? If we didn't have transportation? Or the money to get on a plane? or the money to get on a bus/train etc? Let's face it, a large percentage of this country lives literally from pay check to pay check. or could access ready cash on a sunday other than the 300.00 limit from an ATM?

The sad part is that so many people in this country live like this because they don't have the comprehension that there is a way to get out.

I doubt seriously this will reflect on George. I think he's going to thump his bible and say "the lord's will" or some other bull shit.. when actually Mother Nature is PISSED that he declared there is No Global warming.. but she didn't want to hit Cindy in Crawford.

|angry|

is Baton Rouge was also visited by Katrina ?

If we can finance a war on your childrens wages. I think we can afford getting the people out.
I think GW got his new Amex Gold card when taking office.
I don't know about rebuilding the whole damn area, just get the people out.

Diesel Engines do not short out... Where are the tractors from that area? 10' of water isn't a problem on hard roads. Get the farmers in there. At least they have some common sense.

In the meantime, airdrop whatever is needed. This isn't rocket science.

And Yes btw - I DO think it's a race thing.

They are all red states down there... You think Bush would have really wanted to take care of them in something like this. This will be bad for the republican party...

I don’t understand why the people are shooting at the choppers that come in to supply them, take them out, and try to repair the levees. Just because they stole them selves some new guns doesn’t mean they have to use them.

This is not a political issue. It is not a racial issue. The people of the south will pull together and we will rise again.

You saw the national TV coverage and saw color. As a life long Mississippian, I see the TV coverage and I see fellow Southerns in trouble.

Since this is the most recent katrina thread I will post this here.

Fats Domino was missing Thursday, days after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, said his longtime agent, Al Embry. Embry told The Associated Press that he hadn't been able to contact Domino since talking to him Sunday evening by phone.

The 77-year-old R&B legend, whose real name is Antoine Domino, told Embry that he planned to stay at his New Orleans house with his wife, Rosemary, and their daughter.

"I hope somebody turns him up, but as of right now, we haven't got anybody that knows where he's at," said Embry, who has worked with Domino for 28 years. "I would think he might be safe because somebody said he was on top of the balcony."

Checquoline Davis, Domino's niece, posted a message on Craigslist.com Thursday pleading for information. Davis wrote that Domino, his wife, their children and grandchildren "didn't get out" of the second floor.

Domino, who has rarely appeared in public in recent years, has a home in the 9th ward, a low-lying area of the flooded city.

Getting information on possible missing persons has been nearly impossible as phone lines for hospitals and police haven't been working.

Domino has sold more than 110 million records in his long career, including the legendary singles "Blueberry Hill" and "Ain't That a Shame."

I think it would be much better if they used race, or class of income for a reason they are not getting help as they need it…

To call it a southern thing is weird, as is calling it a political issue... Seeing as how the same hurricane went through the state of the president's brother and killed people, also it hit a state that boarders the presidents home. His political base is in the south. It is the area hit by the hurricane.

Yes it does seem to be a racial issue to me also. It's just sad that it has come to this in light of such a tradegy. Sure help is on it's way, people will get moved out of there into safer places. I agree with Chop Smith that they will rebound. I just think if the poor had been moved out like they should have before the storm it wouldn't be so bad. What the hell was the local goverment thinking in not bringing the buses in before hand instead of scrambling now?? It was on the news as soon as the storm left Florida it was going to be a big problem.

I think dochollys post about how black take and white find is what angers me so much. It's the news that help spread this kind of stuff that angers so many and starts trouble. Sure the black poor citizens were over looked which is unforgiveable. But why add to it by reporting shit like they did on yahoo??
I don't care if a person is black, white, purple etc.. they could have stop a lot of whats going on if they had just got them out.....before |angry|

I just wish there was something I could do to help.

The south will rise again, just like Atlanta.
Southerners are incredibly proud and independant

Hurricanes Cindy and Dennis were expected to be severe, and did not live up to their hype. When the warnings came for Katrina, they were not taken seriously enough.

Forget about racism, who is at fault and everything else that armchair analysts seem to be preoccupied with. Get yourself over to the redcross site and see what you can do to be part of the solution. Hundreds of thousands of people have been affected in that region alone, not to mention the entire continent's economy.

Everyone joined together when 9-11 happened, and even for the tsunami crisis. America needs to pull itself together again for one of it's own. The longer we argue and delay help, the more people who die.

I think it's absolutely a political issue. And it will become hugely more so as the repercussions of this event unfold.

People have known NO was a disaster waiting to happen for a long, long time.

But, there will be time enough for the politics of this in the future. Investigations will tell us a great deal.

It's going to be a hellish night for those folks. Hopefully tomorrow the relief trucks will arrive.

I recently started on a quest to help, My goal was to create a list of shelters and possibley the names of people within to help locate family members separated and sheltered in different locations. I called alot of people today and this was the result....

-----Original Message-----
From: Specenl1@aol.com [mailto:Specenl1@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:10 PM
To:
Subject: Making of website list from Terry

Hello,

I am trying to make a list of people located in shelters so other family members can locate loved ones during the disaster. I do some web work and purchased the domain shelterlist.com to try to accomplish this task. The domain will not be active for a few more hours and so far I have contacted the coast guard, fema, and have tried to contact the redcross to get some sort of list started. At this time fema has no such list, nor does the coast guard, I am hoping the redcross may have some information that would start this process.
I can be contacted through this e-mail address
Thanks for any input you can give,
Terry

Terry,
The American Red Cross does not post the names of individuals located in shelters due to confidentiality reasons.
Take care.
American Red Cross of Central Florida


I still have some people trying to figure out a way to get the info about the shelters but it seems this may be very difficult at this point.
ANY IDEAS???
Terry

Moveon.org has a website called Hurricane Housing which lists shelters, organizations and families that are offering short and long term shelter. Even tho we are in vegas we added ours as we have a spare room and who knows.. at least vegas has jobs.

Also Craigslist.org is posting information for NOLA and surrounding areas about housing, food, jobs etc and i think they were starting a "here is where I am" list.. for those who are looking kind of like what they did after 9-11.

There are several regional message boards where people can post the names of the missing, as well as get out word that they are safe and where they have evacuated to.
Many are associated with local newspapers, and cnn has one as well
try these:
http://forums.sunherald.com/n/mb/lis...r-biloxkatrina
http://www.nola.com/forums/searching/
http://208.137.136.144/phpbb2/index.php
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/hurricanes/list/
http://kenburtonne.web116.discountas...na/Status.aspx

Here is the official gov site listing most resources http://www.firstgov.gov/Citizen/Topi...loved-ones-vgn

Nice post, Emmauelle. Thanks.

Good video of the damage at http://www.wlbt.com/

Thanks,
I will get those links up as soon as the dns resolves and I will pass the info on.
Terry

My thought is NO. I never thought that the economy could handle another 4 years of Dubya even without this.

It will be 2006 before people can have drinkable running water in homes but these people have guns now.

Those that know me know that I would love to blame the administration for this but it's not easy.

Think about a bill presented by the senator of Lousiana for $250,000,000 to build damns in his state. How is he going to get the support of CA, NY or any other state blue or red? He ain't and it don't matter what 100 reports says. He ain't gonna get it.

Blame the administration for starting the war in Iraq, giving huge amounts of tax dollars to friends and family and spending more then our great grand children can repay. You can blame the administration for not being able to provide support in a week to 10 days but voters would not allow them to spend the 100s of millions of dollars needed to keep that city above water.

I don't think it's a racial issue but the news will make it so. It's about money and power and NO never had enough of either to keep he city above water.

Well said. I admit I'm not overly charitable by nature, but I cruised on over to redcross.org and donated after reading your post.

The more I watch the coverage, the more it saddens me to see that our government is, for all intents and purposes, allowing people to starve and to die from dehydration. This is one sorry state of affairs. You cannot tell me that there is no way to reach these people. If a damned news crew can film them, then why can't the national guard get in there with food and water? It's sad that it requires armed people to restore order, but that's what happens when you allow people to feel abandoned. Mob rules will always take over in the absense of authority.

so true UW. and about the guns... if my family was stuck and starving, I would prolly grab one too.

|peace|

one reason is that most of our national guard is in Iraq fighting for "freedom" and dubya isn't smart enough to figure out where to get the manpower to help...

it was also nice to see him take a low pass real quick over in air force one to check the damage instead of actually giving two shits and getting in a chopper and visiting the damaged area... so many people said he was "a great leader" after 9/11 well what the fuck happened? he is a friggin' retard with a perma smirk |angry|

It is taking longer than it should but you just can't send in 30k troops onto bourbon st, you have to know where to send them to make them effective. The devastation doesn't just start at NO either most of the roads are AFU to get them there. It does take a little time to get the troops called in and loaded up planned out as far as where they are going to sleep and how they are going to get fed as well. The airport is being used to stage rescue ops of the living if the pres stopped there it would hault operations (due to security reasons) for hours while he was there and I don't believe anyone would like to stop rescue ops so I believe he made the right choice not to stop in and take a peek. Tues the Coast Guard alone did over 1700 rescue missions not including the other branches of the service. In short the whole area is a mess and it is a HUGE mess. Roads are destroyed bridges out, people shooting, looting, and running around like crazy. I think this is the first time since the civil war that an entire city was ever evacuated.
I think we should figure out how to fix the problem not who to blame.
Just my $.02

Exactly. I heard they were calling up Coast Guard reserves. Even that takes time. They have a huge hospital ship coming. From Baltimore.................... it should be there in 3-4 days. Everything should be there in 2-4 days..... but meanwhile.......

There are two white guys left in New Orleans and they seem to have the only beer:
http://sigmund.biz/kat20050901%20par...Picture137.jpg
(Pic taken from the DirectNIC photo pages here: http://sigmund.biz/kat20050901%20part%202/)

Yahoo has taken the "white people find" photo down but there's copies and commentary at Salon:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...rsy/index.html

I also read a news report where a black man said he considered driving his family out before the storm hit but he only had a five- person car and heard the people were being arrested for overloading cars.

:/

Just an fyi before you think I'm a complete moron - (well ok, some of you still will think so)
I did donate to the Red Cross for this on Tuesday night.
My brother and father of 4, a combat medic, is on stand by (National Guard) to fly down from Minnesota.
I have also called my local Representative.
I did call both my Senators (had to leave messages), and have done everything I could do from here.
This is simply just a complete frickin mess.
NO lies below sea level, this has been known for decades, yet they had no plan???

I have no doubt that the "South" will rebuild, but that's not the question now. The immediate question should be (and have been), "Get those people out now".

From my vast experience in the military and federal employment and working with the National Guard I have to say those guys have it harder then any other military. Not only from the stand point of having a day job but also from the command sense. They take their orders from the state level. Meaning, even if GW sent them to war your State's governor has the power to stop that. Even more so in the mid-east (NYC NJ ETC) if the governor feels it’s too important to take "His/her" troops then he can say no they are not going. But on the other hand you are dealing with a political nightmare. Any Governor to say such a thing would just be looked at as not wanting to fight this war.
So 70% of there air craft are in other places through out the world, we know this. The problem is stemming from most NG who would help with this are the ones who live there. Now on other issues that come from this100% of all soldiers are ruled by UCMJ military law, which is enforced at the DOD level. Now what that means is if a soldier gets orders, those orders are coming from the President. If they disobey those orders, they go to jail (that’s active military). The National Guard is ruled by UCMJ but it's not enforced on a federal level. In other words someone in the NG can get orders, but they would come from his governor. And if they disobey those orders the UCMJ CAN be enforced but it does not have to. The ending decision comes from that’s NG TAG (like their 5 start general, governors military advisor). You will find that most NG does not enforce these rules for a couple of reasons. Most of the soldiers in the NG are long time soldiers, lifers. The average experience level of these soldiers is 18 years in the military. Most of that time is over 10 in the NG. So the TAG's understand what it means to have a day job and deal with the military. They will not stop a man from trying to help his family. If someone from the NG got orders and never showed up, they would get in trouble but most likely just a slap on the wrist. These are not your normal military families; they don't live on bases or live the military life 100%. So for them family comes 1st and no governor or tag is going to put someone in jail for helping his family, even more so if the soldier is a good solider, never having any infractions. Worst part about this is, that most NG soldiers are better then the active military. Nothing against them, it's just the numbered facts. They have a long military experience and training (most train active military), and when sent to schools it’s a hardship on the family for a few months, it's also hard for a NG to get the schooling as all military schools require some kind of physical training test in order to pass the school. The NG will not send a solider to school for promotion or anything if they feel they will fail the PT test. So when they do go they are ready. Plus the state flips that bill and if the soldier fails the school its money wasted. So now you have guys with all these years of experience (most experts in their field, you would be surprised the amount of doctors and lawyers in the Guard) who can't or won't show up to help because they are trying to help their families. I'm sure GW is getting a reminder of what it means to not show up for training or anything else in the NG. I mean he surly remembers he did not have to. I personally would have gone. I know the NG would have helped its family first so their soldiers can work with the comfort of knowing the family is safe. But when no one shows up to drive that boat or fly the chopper where do you get the skilled labor from? Sorry for the long one. Jugg.