New 2257 Problems
 

Just when you thought it was safe to go in the water again.

http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...ticle&sid=9763

What next?

|angry|

That's an interview with an attorney. The main agenda of most attorney's is greed. Scare tactics mean great revenue.

Here is a link to the bill

http://www.theorator.com/bills109/hr3726.html

Some things of interest are some of the changes to 2257 such as:

(7) in subsection (h)(3), by striking `to produce, manufacture, or publish any book, magazine, periodical, film, video tape, computer generated image, digital image, or picture, or other similar matter and includes the duplication, reproduction, or reissuing of any such matter, but does not include mere distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring, contracting for managing or otherwise arranging for the participation of the performers depicted'

and inserting
`actually filming, videotaping, photographing; creating a picture, digital image, or digitally- or computer-manipulated image of an actual human being; or digitizing an image, of a visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct; or, assembling, manufacturing, publishing, duplicating, reproducing, or reissuing a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digital image, or picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution, that contains a visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct; or, inserting on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise managing the sexually explicit content, of a computer site or service that contains a visual depiction of, sexually explicit conduct'

which would make the statute cover so called secondary producers,

and:

1) in subsection (a)(l), by striking `actual';

(2) in subsection (b), by striking `actual';

(3) in subsection (f)(4)(A), by striking `actual';

(4) by amending paragraph (1) of subsection (h) to read as follows

which would eliminate the excemption for simulated conduct.

Also the ability to seize assets and other intersting changes.

The republican extremists are out of control again.

|dizzy|

|skyfall|

so that means amazon.com, blockbuster and all other distrubtors are gonna need the ids for shows like the sopranos, the Lword. and thousands of other movies

newsstands are gonna need the ids to sell mags like hustler and playboy

National Geographic with have to get IDs from indiginest tribe members in Borneo.

Tsk. Tsk....remember only u.s. ids are acceptable

from now on they have to do stories on savages that are located in the us

Tommy
that wont be too hard..
they can start at 1600 pennsylvania ave.

I was thinking they could look in the astrodome

I think I am 2257 stupid....but what the heck does all this mean? I am not following this at all? Does this mean that all pornographic material is against the law? Or is this still just about ID's?

I used to think I was smart....until the government showed up....

|cry| |cry| |cry|

LindaMight - Basically if you are in the US you need to have proof that all the models on your site are over 18, and a link to such statements on your site.

Of course those of us based in Europe are just putting our feet up and drinking beer while our American cousins work hard to follow this new law. Kinda makes me glad to be British. :)

I have all of that and have complied with everything that was previously written as the 2257 regulation. I just don't understand what this new stuff means.....

Don't worry about it :)

Right Wing = Animal Farm
 

I think we should chip in money and sue the Governemnt for violating our rights as citizens. Let's Impeach Bush! How do we do that?

|shocking|
Kinetic

Okay, it's all crystal clear now as to why Prez Shrub wants Roberts to be Chief Justice... You can't get impeached if you've got one of your bible-thumping, lifetime-appointment, blatantly-obvious-to-anyone-with-eyes-religioius-agenda buddies overseeing the procedings... Duh! |dizzy|

Might as well suck it up, guys n girls. These religious-wing bastards aren't going to quit until they get what they want. The truly sad/scary part is that I'm not even sure they have a clear-cut game plan other than "give our big-business cronies and/or all "christians" whatever they scream for, no matter how ridiculous or unconstitutional" and "get as many of "our" guys in as we can wherever we can and watch the next group try to play clean up".

You thought the last five years was fun? Wait till they're done in another three... the good ole US of A won't even be recognizable as the same country where Billy-boy shocked the nation by getting blown under his desk.

From CNN:

"In a surprizing move by the White House the Supreme Court is to be disbanded immediately and replaced by a council of Methodist Elders. The Constitution is suspended indefinitely and masturbation is made a Capital Offense."

this is happening because the jesus freaks get out there and vote and normal people dont

when you really watch this adminstration
you start to see how they play games with all these names

like the blue skies Bill which is really a handout to his oil buddys
but who is gonna not get behind a bill called blue skies

now haliburton is gonna get all these no bid contract in New Orleans
what a surprise ...

they are just a bunch of crooks with a great line of christian bullshit

That is soo true. |bow|

Amen |bananna| Praise Jesus! |bus|

That is speaking the Fuckin Truth Brethern!

Kinetic

There is No Afterlife when you are dead you are just dead ya lay in a box and slowly rot away. Religion was made by two monkeys one day that were picking lice off of each other and the thought pooped into their head we need some sort of control factor So they thought about it for weeks then came up with religion.

If people think if they do " right things" then one day they will go to a better place . Then you cut down on the chance of total fucking anarchy and chaos.

Take away religion and no one gives a fuck if they kill 2 million people nothing will happen to them in the end they will just be dead no heaven or no hell just lay in the box and rot.

Another take from one of the FSC lawyers.
http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=240327

So what I get from all of this, after all of these months of people doing everything they can to be in compliance with the 2257 regs back in June.....now the government is saying that anything they consider obscene is subject to prison and fines, no matter what it is, (image, video, drawing, dvd, movie) and it matters not when it was produced, and this has nothing whatsoever to do with a model's ID or child pornography.... it is the right-wingers attempts to shut down the entire adult industry from the internet, to the mom and pop adult stores, to the porn channels shown in hotel rooms? Am I getting this right? Do I even live in the US anymore? And why do I remember a line from a song of our country that says "let freedom ring"? Gosh I remember singing "God Bless America, Land of the Free"....

i am getting tired of that 2257 thing, to hell with them all, all have the biggest mouth , while all watch in an sneeky way porn of the youngest g*rls. fuck them

Those bitches are insane!!

Here is the other take direct from the FCS:

BILL WOULD EXPAND GOVERNMENT POWERS
WASHINGTON, DC -- A bill (H.R. 3726) by Representative Mike Pence (R-Ind), which would greatly expand the reach of obscenity law and U.S.C. 18 §2257, the federal record-keeping law, has passed the House, sailing through committee hearings and a floor vote with virtually no debate shortly after it was introduced and attached as an amendment to the Child Safety Act of 2005 (H.R. 3132). In effect, H.R. 3726, the “Child Pornography Prevention Act of 2005,” was a done deal in the House almost before the adult industry or civil liberties groups knew it existed. The fast-track nature of the process, along with the key characters involved, has led some observers to speculate that the Justice Department, perhaps embarrassed by their lame defense of the 2257 law against adult industry attorneys in FSC’s challenge, have teamed up with legislators to up the ante and possibly to shore up what they see as loopholes in the law (See Mark Kernes’ report at AVN.com).
H.R. 3726 covers the waterfront well beyond changes to 2257. It also amends other title 18 criminal code sections, including sections 1467, 3486, and 1465.
The 2257 amendments insert new language which, according to an initial ACLU analysis, seems to require 2257 documentation for digital images of sexual conduct even though no actual person is involved. In addition, it strikes the word “actual” from the phrase “actual sexually explicit conduct” in U.S.C. 18 §2257, thereby appearing to expand the law to apply to simulated sex such as might appear in R-rated mainstream films. It broadens 2257 to apply to “lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area,” which, of course, could be construed to apply to most nude models in adult entertainment materials, and perhaps even some clothed ones. It also strikes the language in 2257 which excludes “mere distribution” and other activities not involving work with the actual performers from requirements for 2257 documentation, substituting language which appears to rope in a much broader range of activity. Under H.R. 3726, for example, 2257 record-keeping would be required for managers of computer sites or services that contain a single visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct (including, under this bill, simulated sexually explicit conduct).
Not satisfied with this exponential expansion of the 2257 law, the bill goes on to amend the following sections related to obscenity law:
U.S.C. 18 §1467 is amended to expand the reach of federal assets forfeiture laws to include 2257 violations and obscenity convictions.
U.S.C. 18 §3486 is expanded to include obscenity charges under administrative subpoena powers previously dedicated to child pornography cases, making it easier for the government to compel a person to appear or to obtain records in a legal proceeding without having to demonstrate probable cause before a judge.
U.S.C. 18 §1465 is amended to prohibit the production of obscenity as well as the transportation, distribution and sale of it. Under this change it would be illegal to produce obscenity with the intent to transport, distribute or transmit in interstate or foreign commerce. According to the ACLU analysis, this would amount to prior restraint on speech. The only way to determine if material is obscene is to have a completed product for a judge or jury to evaluate under the Miller test for obscenity.
Regarding any potential impact H.R. 3726 might have on Free Speech Coalition et al v. Alberto Gonzales, the Free Speech Coalition’s current legal challenge to 2257, FSC Board Chair Jeffrey Douglas said, “This action by the House of Representatives does not have any direct impact on the pending FSC lawsuit. If this horrific bill were to become law in its current form, it would change some of our arguments, indeed strengthening several. For the purposes of the awaited ruling on our preliminary injunction request, it should have no effect whatsoever.”
FSC attorneys and FSC Legislative Affairs Director Kat Sunlove are preparing a complete analysis of H.R. 3726, which will be posted on the FSC website (www.freespeechcoalition.com) as soon as it is ready.
From an FSC press release, 9/15/05
And from an ACLU “Talking Points” paper -- URL not available
And from Mark Kernes, AVN.com
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=240327
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You can't have it both ways. You can either have your god with a capital G blessing you or you can have freedom. Pick your poison.

My last post on this topic.

There is a huge difference between proposing legislation and enacting legislation.

Wake me up when the judge rules on the injunction hearing.

I was referring to the bitches in D.C. who dream up this shit.

and we pay them too......

I've got just one question for all you US webmasters:

How many got off your ass and voted last election?

I did. May the rest of you catch ass herpes.

I voted for the first time in NOV

it is important that we all get out to vote
a lot of you are thinking it wouldnt have made a difference

maybe if the race was a little closer bush would smarten up

the best thing is to tell your friends, neighbors and family
to vote Democrat, keep up the bush bashing:-)

This little amendment was attached as a rider to something that will pass based on its name alone. There's no stopping it because it was introduced in a way that avoids any discussions.

In 9 months we've seen The Energy Bill, The Highway Bill, the responce to Katrina, the admitting that there were no ties to terrorism or WMD and now this attack on freedom of speech. We have 3.3 more years of this.

We can vote and try educate those that are allowing these fascists to take over.

There must be millions of WWII veterans rolling over in their graves to see that after sacraficing so much to defeat facism in their time now our country is quickly succombing to a religio-facist minority |angry|

some one must take care of bush... hehehe... but must look like an accident.
I mean, take alcohol, two trannys and a picture camera. Get bush drunk and take pictures with the trannys. Dick on his mouth, all the hardcore stuff... but it must look like an accident!

:D

hey, face it... bush is hitler's rencarnation.
How can more than half america vote for that pice of shit?????

|angry|

i have a question. i have a forum like this one. where a lot of my members post their own personal pictures. ive seen this on numerous other sites. am i responsible to get them all(4000+) to send me release forms and copies of ids or do i need a disclosure.

thanks

sounds like a good idea I will open presidentialporn.com to upload the images who is taking them now? Some pissing on the white house rose garden wouldn't hurt either and make the tranny pics in the lincoln bedroom ;)

It depends. If you're worried about someone getting pissed because thier photo is on your site then you need a disclosure.

If you want to be 2257 compliant then you need unblocked photo IDs and a date stamp of when the photos were taken. Basically there is no way that your site could possibly comply with the proposed changes in 2257.