Florida's new gun laws
 

florida

Does this mean Cleo can shoot UW if he comes to visit?

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I just love it... a clear reason not to go to internext in miami next year. The way I read it, you can be shot just for raising your voice or calling someone an idiot (and trust me, miami has it's share of idiots).

I expect the death rate in Florida to shoot off the scope once someone gets away with it once.

Alex

It's just fucked up beyond belief. :(

Florida has also ruled that employers can not stop workers from bringing guns to work.

Just plain fucked up. :(

wow thats sound scary , minimum wage employee with a gun

The employers part I just don't get. That means that the right to bear arms is greater than a person's right to private property? Doesn't the owner of the business have the right deny access to those people he does not want and ensure a safe work place? This is sooo out of wack.

So now people can walk around with concealed weapons and shoot people that THEY perceive to be a threat? I can tell from a Canadian perspective this looks crazy. BTW, if I make threatening remarks at Disneyworld, will I get wacked? LOL!!

--art

I guess if the guy in the mickey mouse costume has his gun permit, the answer is yes :D

Actually the law says the employee has the right to have a gun in his car in the employer’s parking lot, not actually to carry it at work.

Should make car pooling much more interesting.

Yeah that is what I want doing construction in my neighborhood… a whole work site of construction workers with guns in their trucks having some after work beers.

Should do wonders for rush hour road rage.

Hey i read that Jeb's youngest son got picked up for DUI and something else.. do you thinking he was out drinking with uncle Dubya??

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You heard wrong Holly.... GOP and relatives of, do no wrong.... unless they are gay.

Does this mean that Priests can have guns in their churches? Sounds like a movie "Armed and Dangerous Confessionals" ;)

South Florida has multiple shootings ever day already.

I myself have been a shooting victim.

These new laws are just so fucked up. :(

I'd like to read the actual law but I'm concerned that if I demand to see the law that Cleo can shoot me the next time she sees me. That makes her threatening to me so maybe I can shoot her. Hmmm....... :)

I've always thought that guns should be left in cars where they can be easily stolen. That's a good idea that I'm sure the gun makers and gangs love!

Personally I think you guys are overreacting the multiple shootings that took place before this law were criminals all this law says is the citizen who would be shot by the criminal in the past can now shoot the criminal given a few will use this to become criminals but should work out better in the long run if the public is threatened by death for attacking someone then seems only fit that the public will behave also the article you posted is from a totally anti gun viewpoint and the quotes you are reading do not necessarily reflect the acctual law itself. I believe in the saying better armed citizens mean better behaved criminals but then again I am pro gun and a licensed C&R by the ATF. And newsflash but there is always a self defense plea in all states for shooting someone this is no different here where I live a guy beat up another guy who in turn shot him 7 times and got off on self defense because he was threatened this is no different. The shouting and yelling I believe will not be a sufficient enough reson to shoot someone and will be sorted out in the court system. Just don't overeact from reading a anti gun viewpoint according to most of these the ban that went out a year or two ago meant world war 3 and it has yet to happen most of them missread the laws simple fact of the matter with the ban was you could always get banned items during the ban if they were manufactured prior to the ban. Just my view point don't overreact to my points either. ;)

there is a poll on that page and
from 25749 people 14460 feel less safe now (56%)

Today
Man shot outside W. Boca temple during Rosh Hashanah service
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines

Yesterday
Two arrested after man is shot to death outside Pompano strip club
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...,4021074.story

Should do wonders for our tourist economy
Fla. Tourists Warned on Deadly Force Law
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nat...,2518482.story

Companies can't keep employees from bringing guns to work
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...,5537520.story

We just need more guns. Maybe force everyone to carry at least one gun. That should make it much safer for everyone.

The problem isn't to many or not enough guns it is that criminals get the best guns threw illegal channels and citizens don't have the force to stop them just think back threw history ancient times everyone carried spears and swords and for the most part crime was down. When guns are banned only criminals have guns. Think bank robberies would happen if the tellers had guns? Same goes for almost every crime criminals when met with citizen force don't stand a chance. Guns don't kill people people kill people and most in this country would rather not kill but be protected.

I'm beginning to wonder if I live on the same planet as some of you |dizzy|

Just a sumary of some things.

Can you get an automatic weapon in the US? Yes with a class 3 atf license

Can you get a silencer in the US? Yes and in most states the common citizen can own them

Can you get armour piercing shells in the US? Yes again

Can you get grenades in the US? Big ole yep

Can you get incidiary rounds in the us? Yep again

Can you get C4/tnt/other explosives in the us? yes with a destructive devices license from the atf

Can you get shot in the us? Yes but less than 1% of legal gun owners have shot someone.

Can you get radioactive material in the us? Yes some on ebay right now.

So with all this being bought and 1% of it being used to terrorize citizens i find it hard to believe that guns are to blame for it.

Hey I feel threatened by George W. So get him and me together in Florida and I can make America a better place !

(I also feel threatened by Bill Gates, all anti-porn protesters, and the guy who fired me for farting in the jewellery repair area. Let's get them all together in Florida and P-A-R-T-Y.)

Well that is just stupid! I'm staying off the roads at 5pm when good old road rage is at it's best. Fucked up to say the least!

Like I said earlier, I would like to see the actual law. Someone that's not pointing to the law and saying don't listen to a one sided story just gives me more reason to be against it.

Reading the thoughts of gun proponents is usually the reason why gun owners make me nervous.

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I've had the gun discussion with my hunter/gatherer brother on multiple ocassions and it usually ends with me saying something like "you have any idea how fucking nuts you sound?" or "you DO realize that communist Russia no longer exists and that they NEVER had plans to attack the hick towns of upstate New York, right?".

I've come to this basic understanding about gun worshippers. If the gun owner's feelings about guns has something to do with their constitutional right to bare arms in case the need to overthrow our government or assist in defense of the homeland, they're just someone with a small cock and a very poor sense of reality. If you ask a gun owner why they need a gun and they reply, "I don't need one, I just really like them", they are probably pretty normal.

I don't need one either just like em alot :P fun to work on shoot hunt and all noone ever "needs" a gun but they elect to own them ;)

When i want to shoot someone i play counter-strike...it's much safer :) ..now serious I don't think it's a good ideea to give guns to everybody...There are a lot of dumb asses out there and the only thing they need is a gun...

I just read what I could find of the bill on Florida's web site. What concerns is that I read nothing about alcohol influence or provoking someone. Basically the new law allows me to start a fight in a bar by calling someone’s mother, wife or girlfriend a whore. If that person comes towards me in a threatening manner like would be a normal response I can shoot them.

The opportunity in this new bill to commit first-degree murder and kill random people is huge. Yelling at the opposing crowd in a sporting event could now get you shot.

While this bill does correct some absurd notions about my right to protect my family it is irresponsible in its support of random violence. A better written bill could be acceptable but this is fucking nuts.

I'd like to understand the purpose of the bill. In all countries with a common law tradition (US, Canada, UK, Australia, etc) you've always had a right to defend yourself from the attacks of another and, if necessary, kill the person. Why create another piece of legislation?

---art

Unfortunately in the USA you don't really have the right to protect yourself with such a level of force. I legally cannot shot someone for simply breaking into my child's room and if they don't have a weapon then I really can't use a gun to keep them from raping my wife.

Of course even if someone enters my home and points a gun at me there is the civil suit that the criminals family can slap me with if I shoot.

This law states that I can now use a gun to protect myself in situations that were previously outlawed or open to civil suits. From that stand point it's really a blow to bullshit lawyers and prosecutors but if you read the text it opens up a new world of legal killings.

How can you say guns are NOT to blame? People are to blame no doubt!!! But if guns were not legal to carry and own in the US then you can bet there would be waaaaaaay less shootings each year.

And by the way, the US population is over 295 million so 1% is nearly 3,000,000 people. So nearly 3 Million legal guns owners have shot someone. :(

We should start giving guns to all the inmates in prison so that they can protect themselves from other inmates.

I am all for paintballing and things like that but yes I own 26 guns as of now and growing from pistols to shotguns to semi auto assault weapons I have them. I trick out most of my guns my Russian SKS has a black pistol grip stock, a 55 round mag, a flash supressor, a bayonet a sniper scope, and a neat lil completely legal crank on the trigger to make it fully automatic (got to love the loophole in the law that allows those), and I also have a couple cases of ammo including a few boxes of armour piercing which work great to shoot bowling balls :P.. I buy ammo by the 1000's and shoot em the same into a feild of cars that I own really fun when you are mad and need to let it out.. and yes everything I have is legal in my state have all the law books and god they read like a darn dictionary had cops look over it a few times specially when i made the mistake of walking down main street with my tricked sks on my shoulder.. I am currently working on getting a 50 cal BMG anti tank gun to play with but i own everything from junk 22's i got for $10 that need work to a 22 revolver made in germany over 100 years ago worth over $5k. I don't expect everyone else to like my hobby but it is my hobby and I love it.. This law may need some fine tuning but I believe in the long run it will do more good than evil..

First off guns if made illegal doesn't solve anything as most shootings occure with stolen or smuggled weapons. Second off your statistics are messed up out of 295 million not all own guns in fact I would bet less than 50% and most of the shootings i reffer to in the 1% are accidental ie cleaning a loaded gun or mistaking a person for game when hunting. further more even if guns are banned you next have bows then knives then clubs then stones you will never stop violent behavior.. Just look at the bombings that happened in oaklahoma city and abroad most were amonia nitrate and diesel fuel bombs which you cannot ban diesel fuel and amonia nitrate anymore than you can watter or eating.

Florida ... Bang! Oooops! Sorry!
 

Sub Titled: Guns Don't Kill People. Bullets Do!

First off... Cleo, I'm very sorry for your experience, I know it must have been terrifying and you have every reason to hate the idea of guns everywhere. I have more than a few acquaintances that have been shot, and even killed (I'm in Chicago now, lots of gangs, lots of guns) and I dated an ER doctor so I know the trouble that a gunshot causes all the way up and down a family line. I am very sympathetic to your feelings. I just wanted to say that first so that my comments below don't seem callous.

If I could just say one thing about this and Florida (I'm really only just trying to add to my post totals really quick). I'm originally from Florida and it is a fabulous place to go and have fun especially on the Gulf Coast.

The gun thing isn't as big a deal as all the press made it out to be. Yeah, its a little extreme on the concealed side but not for Floridians. The reason is that everyone already had a gun anyway and most carried it. Most jurisdictions just required that the clip not be in it when you transport and it wasn't uncommon at all to see shop owners, etc. walking around strapped. The first thing you did when you got pulled over for speeding or whatever is say "hello officer, just want to let you know I have 9mm Gat in the glovebox and cruise missle in the trunk". He'd go "Oh' ok thanks for letting me know. Insurance and registration please". There is a gun shop in almost every strip mall up and down the trail. The funny affect that it has is that usually everyone is immensely polite to everyone else and you never have an argument at a four way stop sign. |blowkiss|

Criminals... that's another matter and no law will ever really change that though the feds are trying with extremely long sentences for felons that use a gun in commission of a crime AND they are really starting to prosecute them in bulk.

You gun nuts just don't get it... come to a place where basically no one owns or has access to a gun and you'll get it eventually

Look at the statistics - the causes of death - the homicide rates - and you might get it

Yes murder and crime is a part of a big matrix of causes and counter balances - we've got social problems too - but when someone cracks they generally don't have a lethal weapon at their side...

Everyone almost in my redneck state of WV has a gun and only shootings to take place in my town was 1 guy sdhot another in self defense now the second shooting was the same guy only this time with the cops as his target not uncommon here to see gun racks in trucks and hear shooting all hours of the night but hardly anyone hurt and noone died in either shooting. Also mine is a state where you drive a backroad in hunting season and see 10 hunters per every 10 miles walking with A 30.0.6 over their shoulder and noone is dead.. Also refuse to see where the statistics you reffer to lay california is one of the toughest countries on gun laws something like 37 pages in my book i think and has one of the highest homicide rates and gang violence rates in the country..

You have your facts all screwed up. For one thing Wazza isn't from California. For another not everyone is as gun crazed as you.

I never said he was from cali he said take a look and go somewhere where not everyone owned a gun well cali is the toughest anti gunner in the country called komiefornia by the pro gunners thought I would start there. What pisses me off isn't the fact that not everyone is gun crazed it's the fact that the anti gunners bitch and whine til they get laws passed to get rid of guns which limits my collection and the pro gun side doesn't do anything to hamper their choice of not owning a gun to each his own but pisses me off when other people have to whine like 2 year olds to affect my life without my ok or say so..

My girlfriend server her internship as an ER doctor. She and I (I would stop by an visit her) have seen far too may innocent children shot and killed. Both accidentally and intentionally.


There is absolutely no reason for guns other than to hurt, maim, or kill.

Hey i spend all day long hanging out argueing pro gun and anti gun views in yahoo chatrooms and in other forums but trust me one of these days when you guys are out and get mugged or attacked be it by human or animal you will think back and say to yourself omg dragon was right i should have bought a gun ;) I have been attacked by a bear before thank god had one of my semi autos on me at the time trust me a time like that happens you don't think i shouldn't own guns you think where the hell is the gun and do I have enough bullets.. Given I live in a small town in the wilderness where this type of stuff does happen and not many chances of bear attacks in LA/NY or bigger areas but it is a reality here. Also I shouldn't have to be called a nut for my choice to own guns and like them I have never shot anyone nor have i called you a nut for not owning them. I call you an anti gunner which is what you are no nut before it no nut after it would appreciate just calling me a Pro gunner. And to be a nut would clearly mean that the ATF would not have given me a license from their office to collect these guns..