Someone using my web-page
 

Hi all,
I have a website that I am working on http://www.tanyaonweb.com/main/ and suddenly I see a strange thing in my stats. When I check it out I find this site: http://www.karadavis.com/movies/tanya_tarasof/

It seems like someone has take my page and uploaded it on their own server. Dont understand why they have done so.

Does anyone have any ideas of why someone would do this?

Thanks

Only thing I can think of would be to use the page as a method of getting listed in the SEs under similar search terms and then once spidered redirecting the incoming traffic elsewhere...more or less a way of hijacking SE spots close to your site's.

That's a pretty farfetched theory though, just the only one I could think of =)

We're finding more & more affiliates doing this lately. I can't say that I'm a fan, since I am of the mind that affiliate sales should be earned, not stolen; but that's just me.

Thanks Bunnyhop and Emmanuelle.

Yeah, I dont get this either. And it is not an affiliate either I think and they use even my sign up page: http://www.karadavis.com/movies/tanya_tarasof/ and there is no affiliate link in the sign up page.

I think I will make an complaint to CCBill, their hosting company and other places. This gotta be misusing my copyrighted design and images so I gotta do something about it.

Being really careful to get this right. They are lazy, no-good thieving COCKSUCKERS.

Just sent an complaint to CCBill leagal department as this karadavis.com is also a CCBill client with screen shots and all information. Will see what happens.

Yeah, that is exactly how I feel about it also |thumb

Did you email Kara Davis? I have always hesitated with pursuing these things, because they do send us a lot of traffic and affiliate sales, despite the fact that I hate their methods.

The fact Kalle's perps aren't using any affiliate codes and what not makes it all seem highly suspicious (or they're incredibly dumb). I kind of agree with Emmanuelle though, there may be no malicious intent involved and might be worth speaking with the site owners directly first.

I am curious what other people here think of these tactics. Let's pretend that there is an affiliate code in those links. Is it considered okay to steal search engine traffic in this manner? Where is the line drawn?

Tough question...on one hand I could feel that well since I'm listed there then the traffic would just be going to my site directly anyways...so why should I pay out to an affiliate for a sale I could have gotten directly anyways?

But on the other hand...that individual might be getting indexed on other keywords, in better (or at least different) positions or more SEs and overall increasing the exposure to my site. In addition with him linking to all my pages will improve my PR rankings (not a great deal of improvement, but something to consider)...especially if he does it on multiple domains. So the increased exposure might be worth it.

Personally I would have spoken to them first, they may think they are being helpful, or maybe about to sign up as an affiliate, so you do not want to piss them off yet. However it is also probable that they have some nefarious purpose so you have got to keep an eye on them as well.

Remember, if they are honest and either being helpful or stupid, a letter to CCBill or their host may cause them to badmouth you everywhere and however honest you are, shit sticks, so you will loose members and affiliates, and thus loose money if they badmouth you. However you should defiantly keep a close eye on them.

There is a Scottish saying "Trust everyone, but always count the change".

I have not e-mailed Kara Davis about this cause it all seems a bit strange to me the hole situation. I don't see any affiliate code beeing used and it is also on a domain that is their own paysite. I really don't like that.

And when I look at the affiliate information that they sign up with I find another sponsor program: http://www.hundies.com/. They signed up in april this year and have not sendt any traffic or sales so all in all I don't like what I see.

I also feel that they should e-mail me before and ask permission to do this and that I should not be chasing them to get an explanation. If affiliates or other persons acting like affiliates will do anything they want it will be a very bad situation. There are rules to be followed and it would have been very easy for them to do this the correct way. I hope that I don't sound like I don't appriciate what my affiliates do, but some rules we gotta have and follow |thumb

What you say is fair and reasonable, but the point I was making is that even so, it won't be much of a consolation to you if they start posting on surfer boards not to sign up to your site and on WM boards not to use your affiliate program.

Besides although not even trying to speak to them before reporting them is "fair and reasonable", but it is also a shitty thing to do.

Based on your suggestions I have decided to contact them and ask for an explanation about this and will put the "report" on hold for the moment until I see what intentions they have. But I still dont like it lol

Stealing someone's work is stealing. I've had a lot of my work stolen and there has never been a good excuse for it.

Send them a note and wait 48 hours. I've found most people will change things quickly once they're busted. You don't want to make enemies but let's be real here. It appears this web site stole his work.

I've had affiliates steal work from others and I do ask them to change it. I'm making one change his site right now for stealing someone elses work and content. I don't do business that way and I won't accept sales from this method either.

I gotta agree with you cause I really have the feeling of this not beeing the right way to do business. I have just sent them the e-mail and will give them 48 hours to reply on it.

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I believe that your pages are being called within a frameset. In this case there is no copyright issue, but there is a problem with join pages being called within their frameset.

You can see by clicking through the join link to ccbill's server. The kara davis domain is still in the address bar

Ah ok. Yeah, I see that now. But I think it is still not good and will make a rule about this on my affiliate program. Don't want to have this kind of promotion in the future.

Thanks |thumb

I hope that I am not hijacking kalle's thread, but this is an issue that has bothered me for some time.
Which of these methods are considered 'acceptable' and why?

1. brutusblack.thebestporn.com/ (this site was not reviewed, however has the #1 google listing)

2. brutusblack.pornreporters.com/
(not only "reviewed" without our blessing, but erroneous information and content stolen from our member area)

3. www.karadavis.com/movies/emmas_balloons/ - the same issue as kalle's, they are pulling my tour within their frameset

4. www.pornresource.com/videos/brutus_black/
the same system as karadavis is using.


Are these generally accepted industry practices? Do site owners have the right to forbid affiliates from these tactics? Should they even want to? Or is it simply a courtesy not given? Is a paysite owner's only recourse to have their own SE guru on staff, or trademark their domains? Truthfully I've never been certain whether or not I should be allowed to feel annoyed by these things; which is why I'd like to hear other's opinions.

Feel free to post Emmanuelle |thumb

Try this code to break out of their frameset...
http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/framebreak.shtml

I didn't read this thread in detail coz I gotta run, but it may help.

Well, I'm sorry to hear about this. I don't see what incentive they would have doing it since they don't have any aff. codes in there, so it's really weird to me. I would have tried emailing her at first as well.

Firstly congratulations to emmanuelle for noticing it was in a frame, give the lady a cigar. I (and most of us) should have realised that too, so we all deserve a kick in the ass for not doing so.

However that gets me really confused, because I can see no benefit they could get from this, nor can I see any way they can use this to their advantage later. I really hope you (kalle7) get an answer from them, and when (if) you do, please post and let us know what it is, because I can think of no reason other than they are friends of yours trying to help you out that they would do this.

I just did a whois lookup, and it appears to me that this domain was used for a similar site to yours but has now shut down. Three possibilities occur to me:

1. Have you ever paid a traffic company for hits? Because a lot of them buy or rent expired domains and put the client's site in a frame in these domains. In other words, if you have paid for traffic, this might be what you have paid for.

2. They may be planning to open another similar site soon and do not want the domain to look closed, so are putting your site on their domain as a temporary stop gap. If that is the case then you are effectively getting what I said in point (1) but not paying for it, so quit moaning and start getting grateful. It is free traffic and the domain is reasonably well ranked so you are lucky.

3. The same scenario as (2) but for a different reason. They may have closed down and run off and have put your site up so it looks like they are still there (kind of the Internet equivalent of shops who put up a notice saying "Closed for refit, reopen next month" then do a runner owing rent etc.). This could be a little more worrying, but I cannot see how you can ever be held accountable for their debts, and their dissatisfied customers will still want a "Russian Girl" type site, so some of them will probably sign up for your site, so you will get a few sales out of this.

Bottom line I spent about a month writing a script that searches out good expired domains, and I spend a lot of money buying them when it finds them. I then put gateway pages to my existing sites on them. This is exactly the same as you got here (except that for SE reasons I don't use frames), but I spend time and money doing it. You got it for free. Now obviously you want to keep an eye on them in case they are going to start doing something dishonest, but until then enjoy the freebie. You are like the guy who moans about all the $50 notes in his wallet taking up too much space.

(A couple of other point occurred to me after I posted this, but rather than edit this post and confuse people who had already read it, I have posted them as new posts after this one.)

And what I should have done before posting the above is done a search on Hundies Entertainment (the site owners). Apparently they have been taken over by another company who are redesigning their sites. So it looks like point 2 in my last post is the most likely.

Or have you used "The Adult Broker" for site promotion recently, if so it is probably (1) because they list Hundies Entertainment as a client.

Kara Davis has been around for years, and was recently sold. The reason I knew about the frame is because I see both sites doing the same thing in my stats frequently. Their affiliate code is in the frameset, which goes unseen.

What confuses me is that the other site is an adult resource board, and should know better.

http://www.pornresource.com/videos/brutus_black/ this domain/site use to be ( I don't if it currently is) owned by Boss Hawg. Who operated Hawg's Cash until he folded earlier this year.

RE: "the other site is an adult resource board, and should know better." Than what? The reason I mentioned them is that they do site promotion and the other site is a client of theirs. If kalle7 has paid them to send him hits, then this is a legitimate way of doing it, most traffic brokers will sell you hits sent from "closed" sites that open your site in a frame. (Although I don't think it is the same company that runs the board, but another company with the same name.)

I meant them in relation to my earlier post http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...1&postcount=20

They are doing the same thing to me, as kara davis is doing to kalle.

Do you feel that this is okay?

RE: "Do you feel that this is okay?" You are asking me if it is OK for someone to give you free traffic? If you walk into a supermarket and the manager comes up to you with a brass band, tells you that you are their millionth customer and gives you $10,000 as a prize do you 'phone the police to complain that he maliciously gave you a suitcase full of notes?

Jeez, some people will complain about anything.

I don't see where you can come up with that example for Kallie. If they are are stealing his search engine traffic they are still useless cocksuckers.

I would not appreciate one of my affiliates doing that and I damn sure know how to turn their swithch off. And to hell with Kallie being nice to them.

It is in a frame, so they are not stealing SE traffic. SE's do not count content pulled from another domain into a frame on your site as part of your site, they ignore it

However whatever traffic that site is getting (and remember it has a good Alexia rating and a Google PR of 2, so must be getting reasonable se traffic) goes to http://www.tanyaonweb.com/main/ .

If your definition of "useless cocksuckers" are people who gives you all their traffic, including SE traffic, then you can suck my cock any day. :)

It just crossed my mind, you may be confusing this situation with "redirects" that can be used to steal SE ranking, that is not what is going on here.

I get the impression that you are less than an honest webmaster by all your suspect posts.

You spout unsubstantiated rhetoric and abuse my friends for sport. I don't care what you think of me. I do care what you say about my friends.

Pass on sucking your dick since I am not a cocksucker. I am not sure anyone understands what is going on here. We might have to get the big guns involved here to get a decent opinion.

Calling Greenguy. Hello Linkster. It is daytime, Danger Dave

ecchi- please go and re read the situations mentioned before advising other board members to perform fellatio on you.

If the frameset name is named with the url of the site, then it is indeed attracting search engine traffic to itself.

The original question, in simple english is: Is it acceptable to steal search engine traffic by the 4 methods mentioned in post #20. It was a sincere question, and should be neither mocked nor ridiculed. At least not on this board.

RE: "You spout unsubstantiated rhetoric and abuse my friends for sport." What I am trying to do is help your friends. The original poster asked what was going on, I offered my opinion, I also took time out of my busy day to explain a few things they did not understand, I could have been spending the time making free sites or something. As to "abuse my friends for sport" I don't think I have been abusive, I may have been a bit blunt but I am not talking to ten year old schoolgirls, I really don't think you have to treat them like babies.

And as to "You spout unsubstantiated rhetoric" Can I suggest you go to Amazon and buy a few books on how the Internet works, you will find what I have said repeated in most of them.

RE :"I get the impression that you are less than an honest webmaster by all your suspect posts." Sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? I try to help your friends, and you accuse me a crook because of it. Are you drunk or stoned, or do you just want your friends to fail.

RE: "I do care what you say about my friends." But you would rather they were mushroomed (kept in the dark and fed bullshit). They may be your friends, but you are not much of a friend to them.

RE: "I don't care what you think of me." Although I occasionally disagree with your opinions, I used to think you were an intelligent guy. But after that post I just think you are a bit of a cunt (I may change my opinion if you are very drunk or stoned, everyone acts like an ass then).

My apologies to everyone else for this post.