Redirecting LinkList owner
 

I really love it when a linklist owner that complains about...

... theft of their sites/templates?!
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=munchers
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=munchers

and..

... "over-zealous" rules?!
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=munchers


.. then redirects their own enter links!
http://www.rug-munchers.com/af/bbw1/index.html
http://www.rug-munchers.com/af/fisti...nzy/index.html

DD

Wow, he really fucked up your recip image. Blew it right up.

Did you notice the links at the bottom of http://www.rug-munchers.com/af/fisti...nzy/index.html to all that site's mirrors? All linked hyphens.

|batman did it while Rayzor was on the |flush|

That's an old site tho, there was a time when links like that at the bottom of the index weren't considered a big deal. I think it was so until some time in 2003, when a deluge of cheaters and new link list owners changed everything.

heck, it's got an original alcoholinks recip, you know it's old.

Yep they are way old sites.(circa 2002). and I aint worried about anyhting except the enter-redirect...

The rest was all standard for the day

DD

Certainly not the way it should have been handled, as was defined in threads on this board. But, think it may have been 2257 related?

Perhaps, still no excuse though. We all made it crystal clear a the time that redirecting enter links was a banning waiting to happen :(

Yep, absolutely true...I remember that thread quite well...it was my guide during my own clean up procedures. But, there were quite a few folks that did exactly as we're seeing here...and there were others that left the entire site, but removed the pics |angry|

Yep, a banning waiting to happen...looks like he got to wait for a long time though if it was 2257 that prompted him to fuck over his fellow link list owners |crazy|

It wasn't him. It was his sisters boyfriend who lives with him, shares his IP, shares his puter, shares his multi submitter...blah blah blah you've heard this story before |samauri|

Morning everyone,

Boy, you sure all got the knives out today huh?

So a few sites i made in 2002 have been deleted from my servers because they were either for a fisting niche which a lot of people seem to worry is somehow going to fall foul of your US regulations or have been deleted because of a reason i forget 3 years down the line and the links have gone to a 404 which goes to my LL index page.

Stop me if i'm missing the point here but what is the problem?

And DD, you never list my sites anyway, so don't worry yourself about it.

Relax everyone.

Rayzor

You managed to leave those free site index pages up so that most bots wouldn't catch it though, didn't ya!

Ummm, you haven't deleted the site. You have the index intact and the rest of the site is gone.
I believe most LL owners only has linkbots that check the index page and not the whole site. So for them, it's like the site is still there.

I'm quite happy to delete the index pages as well,

Would that make things better?

Anyway, i am genuinely surprised that free sites from 2002 are still in anyone's databases. They must be so far down the listings that nobody but a bot would ever find them anyway.

They might still get an SE hit from time to time though, that might have been my reasoning at the time. Like i say: it was a long time ago.

What was the reasoning behind keeping the index page up and delete the rest?

probably in case a stray SE hit found it oneday.

like i said, i didn't think they would still be in a LL after so many years.

No matter how you paint it you are still cheating the Link List and the surfers...BANNED

Oh.. ok.. so it is my fault...

Wrong!.... The sites werent deleted.. the content was deleted! Big diference fuckboy!



I have records of over 110 submissions from you.

Up until a few days ago 32 of those submissions were still listed with me.

Upon examination of the original submissions, I could find no mention OF A FUCKING USEBY DATE !!

I accepted your submissions in good faith and I have always listed all sites, galls etc perpetually, so dont give me the "genuinely surprised" bullshit..

It was however my own fault that I continued to trust you...




Your History

Redirecting sites
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=munchers

Domain - http://www.hellbabe.com/


Redirecting sites(My blacklist)

Domain - http://www.tittyfun.com/


Removing Content pages

Domain - http://www.rug-munchers.com/


Other Info

Other Domains:
http://www.porn-a-thon.com/

Names:
Ray Courtney

Emails:
ray@tittyfun.com
ray@rug-munchers.com
ray@rcourtney.fsnet.co.uk

.. and you run a linklist!?

DD

i have to say one thing here, rayzor you know e know each other, but believe me , i still have alot of my sites from 2001,2002 in the data base of richards realm, hoes, penisbot DD yes even at DD and they still send me traffic, thats why i like to check my old sites ones in awhile, they are still listed, some linksites list you forever.and hell am i glad with that one

ray, i realy like to know which sites you changed i see the domains DD mention now, you did submit to some linksites i do......not good if there are indexes without galleries, oh no my bosses dont like that, did you emaild the linksites that time about it?

oke here we go and yes you wont like it, i am gonna check the data bases at the linksites i do, if i find indeed redirecting free sites, then yes i have to blacklist you and will remove all the free sites you submitted, if not you can keep submitting.the linksites i review, only one deletes the sites after some time, the rest list you forever, so i have no other choise

first linksite i check premium sex links, redirecting link http://www.tittyfun.com/entrance.htm submitted 2003-09-27 blacklisted and all your sites will be removed there ........240 sites up to the next one, thats only 2 years old.............

now link fab has the same owner as premium so blacklisted there too............and removed 213 sites

now i geus you are huge pissed on me, specially because i pmd you with the link to this thread, well i never expected you thought the way you do, if you think linksites will drop your sites after an certain time, then you are wrong..not all do that, always check your stats, i do..it will prevent you from mistakes you did now, and me yep i am just doing my job:(

and now i am pissed....reason i was making 3 google adword pages, but instead to finish those...i am checking the linksites and removing links.....that makes me angry and in a very fucking bad mood..........specially if its 12.28 after midnight here and i should have steamy sex with my hubby.............

Calm down everyone, this has got way out of hand!

All i did was delete 2 sites (out of several hundred). These were from 4 years ago, and they were from fisting sponsors that i don't use anymore, (cos loads are paranoid about fisting), and a BBW sponsor who i don't use anymore but was using her content. The funny thing is that i had deleted these a year ago, or something, and never given it a thought.

I left the index pages there because they were in other directories. because of my page mirroring method. (aa,ab,ac,ad etc) All the indexes were in diff folders to the main site. It wasn't a requirement in those days.

I've been doing this several years and try to consistently submit sites to most of you, they tend to get listed and i have always been grateful to you all. But this is all getting crazy.

But if you all think that i am evil incarnate then there is nothing i can do about it. I made a mistake only in thinking that sites expired after a few years.

What would you do if you had to delete a site? email everyone in the world in case it still had a link to it?

I'll leave you to do what you have to do.
Sorry for getting on your shitlist, it was nice doing business with you for these past 4 years.

Cheers. I'm going to bed.

Regards

Rayzor

first linksite i check premium sex links, redirecting link http://www.tittyfun.com/entrance.htm submitted 2003-09-27 blacklisted and all your sites will be removed there ........240 sites up to the next one, thats only 2 years old.............
not 4 years old but was is redirecting and was listed at premium, rayzor your fucking attitude or what ever you write that,sucks, yes you should have emailed them when you changed the sites......i cant believe you think it was right what you did....godddamnnnn shit fucking , godverdomme kut bizz(dutch yelling):D

404 it and send the traffic to a page with no ads, i.e. the default 404 page.

The bots would catch it and delete the listing. The LL webmaster would also see that you didn't 404 it to profit from the traffic in any other way.
Life goes on and everybody is happy.

that was one way......rayzor...why??????????????????????????????????? you burned your bridges not good, i cant believe you did that, hell your not a newbie.......damn i cant believe it,goddamn sometimes i hate this bizz so much, i need to play poker now:D............

Yea...that's definitely the right answer.

Damn, hate to see a link list owner do something this stupid and unthinking of the ramifications |loony|

Hang in there Stu...don't get that chinese dutch blood boiling too much darlin :)

For what it's worth (which I realise may be very little :) )

There are cheaters and there are people that just fucked up, albeit in a big way, and I think that's what happened here with Rayzor. From my dealings with him I know he is a straight up guy not out to intentionally fuck people over, and I know he's feeling like shit right now at his lack of 'knowledge' for want of a better word - as a LL owner he should have known, but he didn't. Ignorance I feel, rather than cheating.

This is my one and only post in this thread, feel free to disregard it, or disagree with it, just felt I had to say something for someone who I hold as one of the 'good guys', even though I agree you fucked up and should have done as swedguy said.

Morning everyone,

I've been re-reading this unfortunate thread and i really am sorry that so much trouble has been caused by so little an action.

Again, i can only say sorry and it was never my intention to cheat anyone. I have about 9000 pages on the internet in various places and i deleted about 8 pages.

My mirroring folder layout was a bit more chaotic in 2002 and so it wouldn't have been as clearcut that me deleting a site would leave a few index pages pointing to it still.

As for the sites still being listed after all this time, it was my sense of You=big, me=small that means it wouldn't have crossed my mind that any of you would care too much if some small-time webmaster deletes a couple of pages off his server.

As for emailing everyone. Think of the logistics of emailing everyone that you submit a site to 3 or 4 years down the track, it would take hours to find their addresses etc.

As for the 404, this is what happened, my 404 is my index page of my LL, although i have often intended to make it a serious 404 trap with loads of adverts (as is often advised these days), but in this case it would have pissed you all off more no doubt. As Swegyuy says about sending it to a blank page.. but then you would lose ALL 404 traffic from your entire server's worth of sites.

And Stu, as for this page: http://www.tittyfun.com/entrance.htm I have no idea why or how that would ever be in a listing as a freesite as this is an old mirrored entrace page to a largely redundant LL of mine. Again it 404's with the others.

So, all in all these were fuck-ups it seems, but they were not in any way cheating. Anyone that knows me knows i have always sent them good sites and i am not a badguy in any way.

All i can say is sorry for wasting your time and that i have certainly learned something.

But i think we can all agree that maybe this thread got a little heated, and that "There but for the grace of God go I" perhaps.

This thread reminds me of something my grandpa told me when I was 15: "Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with. " :D

and still it was in premium, its good you posted that you made an mistake and yes the thread went bad, i just can flip all the time if i see people i know making bad mistakes, hey i have made them too, but only after a couple of years in bizz you should prevent yourself from making those mistakes. Well you have learned a lesson now, but you will manage it all.

I didn't want to poke my nose in this thread but....

While I don't "know" Rayzor personally, he's been submitting to my link list for a long time and I have hundreds of his sites listed. I've randomly been checking them and all seems good. I have personally made so many mistakes in this biz that I'd hate to see a good webmaster banned/have sites removed for something that he didn't intentionally mean to do. I mean, isn't it possible it was just a simple mistake? Are y'all so jaded that you automatically think everyone is cheating no matter what? Just my 2cents.

I think I need more coffee...

I found the same kinda thing on my link list after that 2257 crap, people left up all their pages with banners still in place but deleted all the images or just redirected to a page with advertisments. I understand at the time things were a bit hectic but there is such a thing as common sense and no matter how you look at it they were trying to make profit using bullshit tactics. Best be straight up and do what Swedguy said.

I think after reading this thread that I need to be more thorough with checking links and go deeper than the index page.

That's something MML discussed with me a while back. He pretty much said that you can't leave the quality of your list in the hands of a bot. GG has MML check EVERY PAGE of EVERY FREE SITE by hand at different intervals throught the year. It's a horribly time-consuming task, but he catches all of the shit that people pull after being listed.

The time I spend each year hand checking every fucking link by hand really motivates me to ban anyone that does this kind of crap.

Same thing here. Nothing chaps my ass more than someone who acts irresponsible.