How many link lists do you submit to?
 

I've been wondering how many link lists everyone submits to. I've tried to submit to as many as i can to fill the 1 day limit that most give. I'm very curious to what everyone aims for.

There's some good answers to that question here: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=23901 |thumb

Shade,

Do not fall for the big numbers posted by many people. I have yet to see ANY SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that supports the fact that submitting to more LinkLists bring your more success, money, or happiness.

Even when we submitted regularly, we NEVER submitted to more than about 16 LLs. Right now if I was submitting I would submit to about 12.

DD

I definately agree with DD on that, I submit to just 9-16 sites using one entrance page, some sites always and some I swap in and out depending on niche etc.

A while ago I made some sites with mirrors to test it out and submitted them to over 60 link lists, these sites have made less than my normal ones with 1 entrance do and took way longer to make.

I normally submit to 6-8 depending on the niche.

When I was doing sites in the past and submitting them to LLs, I started to do as many as I could find, but later realized just as DD mentioned...I selected only a few.

When I make a free site, I make two entrances with 12 recips on each one. That's about it. It seems to work fine that way for me. I also once tried submitting to as many ll as I could find but like others have said, it just doesn't pay off.

seems LL niche is going to its end

20 custom text recips perfectly fits into my recip tables, so i submit to 20.

"seems LL niche is going to its end"

seems small LLs going to their end

Well I havent been at it too long, just started my free site network about 2-3 weeks ago but I have progressed faster than I expected and am happy with the results so far. I have 2 recip tables I use with 12 recips on each of them. But I dont make mirrors, I just make 2 different sites a day, figure that gives me twice the keywords to target and keeps me out of trouble in the se's with duplication penalties.

I've noticed that i get great traffic from about 7 or 8, and then there is a drop off that goes down to 4-5 uniques a day down to some that are just 1 unqiue a day. Im just wondering if there is some kind of hidden effect that might help out, like increasing SEO, pagerank, or whatnot.

I submit to 84, takes me about 40 mins to submit to all of them, not so hard to do...

I submit to 132 L'sL, cose I'm still in a resarch fase!
I submit on every LL that I can find to support femdom niche! Some day I hope realy soon, I will re-bulid my submit list and keep only LL's witch send me the biggest traffic!Would it be only 15-16 or 50 LL's I dont know yet!

Totally agree with you guys. I only submit to 8-16 depending on niche. Course I'm still trying to get listed at a few and GG hasn't liked mine lately... So it's not been too productive.

I focus on my LL now and building more content to increase traffic there and only fire out a handful of freesites/month now. Also one good idea is to pay for listings at some good LLs and TGPs. The traffic, lack of delay in getting listed, etc can really be worth it.

Then who will be listing the sponsor content the big guys reject? :D

More fear mongering.

Wow very interesting! If most people only submit to 12-16 LL's then trying to get a link list going seems like a lot of work for nothing. Getting off the subject a bit. Thanks to a few good people from this board I get some great sites submitted but get a lot of crap also. It takes a lot of time keeping it up. So is it really worth the time and effort nowadays to do it? My hub gets a lot of traffic I'm really thinking maybe just doing hubs and linking to them from my free sites. My LL's has only been up for a year so I know it's to soon to expect to make money from it. But I make a lot of sales of my hub site already. Sure would like to hear some opinions or ideas. Thanks |thumb

I recently cut my submit list down quite a bit - I'm able to get more output & I'm definitely making more $$ so that's ok. I currently still submit to about 50-60 LLs, but some are out of support & loyalty more than traffic. I only do 4 tables & it only takes me about 20-30 min to submit by hand. I think if you have lots of other things on the go then 1 table does the trick, but if your main thing is freesites then more may work better for you. It's just something that you have to experiment with.

Sue - yes, the LL is a PITA lol, and a lot of work. I'm going to keep mine up tho, just because I've put so much work into it, it's my baby :D Hubs are great too. My plan this year is to put up niche hubs all over the place & just keep running the one LL. It slows down the freesite subbing a bit but along with some other projects, I think it's going to be more profitable in the long run that way.

Ponygirl

oh, and I don't think that the small LL is dead, not by a long shot :)

Ponygirl

Lord, I hope not! :D

Ponygirl,

You were talking about hubs.. I've seen other people mention it, but I have to admit I still don't quite get the concept. I started out with just my LL (last may-june) and then building a few free sites and galleries along the way, but if someone could help me understand hubs a bit better it would be helpful.

From what I've read, they're basically a site which hosts all your freesites and sponsor content? How does one get traffic to this? Hardlink trades?

Any help for a still relative newbie would be great.

well, I don't know how anyone else does it, but I've been buying niche related domain names, then throwing up a page or 2 for it. I'll list all my sponsor hosted galleries, freesites, whatever they have, plus any of my freesites in that niche. To get traffic to it, do freesites off that domain & submit them, put links to them on other freesites (that will count as one of your links out, tho). One I have is getting pretty decent msn traffic too, so build for the SEs as much as you can - I'm still learning that :)

traffic takes a bit to build up, but hubs (I call mine 'one page wonders' :)) are easy to build & can be quite addictive :D

hope that helps! you can have a look at a couple of mine here

Ponygirl

Good points ponygirl! I'm still debating as far as my LL goes, as my hub seems to do much better. May sound crazy but I like building free sites |loony| But with the LL and the hub I don't build as many as I'd like to. I also submit to LL's as you stated for support and because I like the people. Also those LL's have to start somewhere, and could be big at some point. By then they would know me, and know I do my best to submit clean sites that follow their rules which is a plus. I'm trying to narrow mine to 36 that I submit to at this time.

I like your hubs ponygirl, you've done a great job on them |thumb Hope you continue to make lot's of money |bananna|

I'm not a regular freesite submitter, but when I do I only do it to around 12-16 places.

I don't think small link lists are doomed, but they need to start acting less like a big linklist and more like a small link list :D I'm not sure why any small linklist would use category recips when a general recip would endear them to submitters. I'm not sure why they need a page long list of rules when a rules page like Tommy's or RR would suffice.

If a small link list had a general recip, easy to submit rules that follow Tommy's or RR, updated their site regularly, and tried to foster a good relationship with their submitters, they would have a loyal following of submitters.

I agree with what you're saying there Blue, but about the rules... if small linklists are too lose with their rules won't they just end up being a big list of shit?

I'm not saying to loosen the rules but some people decide they have to explain the rules with three pages of writing. Why? lol. Just take a look at Tommy's Bookmarks rules...it fits into a few lines and runs right next to his submit.

You go to some smaller LL and it's like reading the declaration of independence. There's been a few smaller linklists that went to such length to explain their rules that I had to cut & copy it into MS Word just to see the word count on it...the highest so far was 4,000 words.

The thing is, they were the exact same rules that apply at Tommy's or RR's...why did it take 4000 words to say it? Then when they change their rules, etc, they wonder why no one took notice that one sentence in the novel got changed. :D

hehe true and I am gonna cut mine down and get rid of the no brainer stuff that people should know..

also I submitt to 16 to 18 LL on one page and doorways are not in my free site model, for extra traffic I sub to tgps

also there are many factors in figuring out who to sub to and is it worth building another mirror page for recips.. I have a larger size LL with smaller traffic than the bigger LL, but going by the sales I get and the growing traffic I am seeing, I would most surely submitt to smaller LL, over time you adjust some, and some of the most older LL dont have a huge blast of traffic that I sub to but I know for a fact those send sales..

what did MML tell me awhile back, oh he said "you cant cash stats just checks.. hehe

lol yours is actually not that long. Some are just amazing in length...they're awe inspiring.

So why am I not seeing your submissions then? :D

Awesome quote! One I need to remember being a stat junkie myself. |thumb

I actually added you to my submit list 3 weeks ago lol...but been busy building up my tgps and blogs, so no time for freesites...but I added you when I read in one thread you went to a single recip :D

Mr. Blue - I also have a one-does-all recip - would love to see your sites :)

http://www.cfnmparty.co.uk/submissions/

I too have went with the "one recip" for Click 4Sex Fun. Of course, the niched recips are still available for those that would like to use them. I've also shortened my rules pages on both my ll to 9 rules instead of about 25. |thumb

I submit to 16-20 Link Lists depending on the niche

Hi All
Interesting thread. I've cut down from 120 LL's to about 80. I regularly check the stats and constantly revise my Recip grids. Some LL's I submit to for no other reason than they post on this board and have only just started. But then I'm a big softy :D |crazy|
I'm really surprised that so many of you only sub to under 20 LL's. Am I not right in thinking that some of the smaller, established LL's submit quality traffic although low in actual quantity? |waves|

One thing to keep note on the smaller LL's....things change and if these webmasters constantly work on their LL's, eventually, they will grow and become bigger, if not one of the biggest. Things take time and if someone sees low traffic from a few, they might think this is it for the rest of their life...you'd hate yourself if you dumped low traffic LL's, only to find out a year later they are bringing in HUGE traffic after a year of working hard.

I know there are some LL's who only focus on their own site only and see submitted sites as just filler with traffic for their own affiliates. This kind of thinking is where the small peeps will not last. I know for my directory, I work like 12 hours a day (especially with the new version coming) focusing on design, features, traffic, and of course, methods to help webmasters make money with sites they submit to 69toplinks. Focusing on helping the webmaster, will in the long-run, help the directory.....I believe in Karma.

The hard part for webmasters though is to decide on which LL's and directories to keep in their recip tables. I'd say just go on gut feeling, customer service from LL's (this is a business), quality of site, features offered, tools that LL's offer to help you, etc...

I still believe and agree that its not necessary to have a huge list of LL's to submit too. Start with a big batch but over time (I'd say a year), begin to edit out the ones that just don't seem to be going anywhere.

I simply don't have the time to submit to 100 Link Lists. I'm lucky to do 4 sites a week as it is, and already found the ones that send me good traffic. I then use the galleries i build for the free sites on a few good TGPs, and that is a much better way to spend that time, IMO.

I have no idea who you might be talking about |couch|


:D

The best advice for a new free site builder is to submit to at least 50 or 60 for a couple months at least...until they learn who will send THEM traffic. There are some niche LLs and niches on smaller LLs that don't send a ton of traffic, but they're highly targeted.

If you build 6 or 7 mirrors full of the smaller LLs they'll be happy to have the submissions and are more likely to list you, especially when you're still learning how to build free sites. Once you start seeing some sales, check the referring URLs from your sales to start narrowing down who is sending the QUALITY traffic in that niche. I've had mirrors that only got a couple hundred hits a month total from small LLs that still made sales :)

My autosubmitter says I submit to 450+ LL's |couch|

No serious, 39 LL's on my submit list.
And I really think we should group all these "to how many LL's do you submit" posts together...