Last Night's Radio Show....Next Week's Radio Show
 

Seems there's a lot of hurt feelings after last night's Radio Show as well as a lot of "conspiracy theories" as to why the topics of this thread - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28437 - we brought up.

1st things 1st: I did not start to prep for the show until about 6:30 - until that time, we had no fucking clue what we were going to talk about. This is pretty much the norm for the show.

Neither Jim nor I were on the board too much over the weekend, so we both completely missed the mess that is in the http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28437 thread. Once I saw it (not read it, just saw the amount of posts & replies) I thought it'd be a good topic to cover on the show & posted as such. I then read most of the thread to get caught up (I had not read the thread since Thursday & most of the problems came up right after I last read it)

I also saw the genius MattinBlack thread & thought that'd be a good topic as well.

Now, when we started to chat about the "feminist" thread - BEFORE THE SHOW STARTED - the only person in the chat room that I knew would have a strong opinion was Torn, so I asked if he could come on the phone during the show.

During our conversation with Torn, Trixie, who's friends with furrygirl & was also in the chatroom, said that she'd like to come on as well. Getting 4 people on the show (myself & Jim included) is a HUGE pain in the ass (anyone that listened to the show will know this)

The reason no one else was asked to come on was that:
1 - they were not in the chat room, which would mean phone calls hoping that person was on the other end & then getting them up to speed
2 - the topic was decided less than 90 minutes before air time & I really had no idea it would become that big of a deal

If you think that Jim and/or I or anyone else planned any of this, you're sadly mistaken. If you want to dump the fact that my lack of show prep started the ball rolling, then go right ahead. But please, don't insult Jim & me by even thinking that we planned on making some big stinky piss & didn't tell anyone ahead of time so that the show would be controversial.

Yes, we only heard one side of the arguments last night, but we didn't plan on having a big argument & we did run long because of our lack of prep.

I'm not even going to go into my opinions on the topics & I'm not going to speculate on Jim's.

But I would like to ask that Raw Alex & furrygirl come onto the show next week & we can have a discussion about this & the other thread. I can call furrygirl & Jim can call Raw Alex before the show starts so that we don't have another clusterfuck of us trying to get people on the phone during the show.

Please remember, this really is a half-assed attempt at a Radio Show - for fuck sakes, I'm sitting in my basement with a 2 channel mixer & WinAmp! We're not professionals & don't pretend to be, so I think fuck up's like this are almost expected :D

If anyone knows anything about the radio show, they know we almost never plan anything. Half the time we are down to talking about what's on TV. And for a conspiracy theory to be correct, the perpetrators would have to both be together to get it right. I was here babysitting during this last weekend. Greenie was in Buffalo.

I was in the chat room when GG was trying different titles for the chat. And I was there when all the shit went down. It didn't seem planned to me. It seemed like GG was scrambling to put something together for the next hour.

I will most definately be tuned in next week, should be "interesting".

Oh sure, you finally have a real show instead of discussing HD bullshit and sitcoms and I didn't hear a fucking word of it. If that's not a conspiracy, I don't know what is. :D

I guess I am sort of mystified that anyone would bother themselves to have hurt feelings over it. But then again, I have not been on this board for a while so dont really know.

I actually just recently found out the radio show was back on and was thrilled. Love to sit here at the desk and listen to "talk radio" about the biz, and I guess I look at it more for the entertainment value.

I missed the email announcing it so I had to listen to the replay, and I was working at the same time so I may have missed some of the controversial stuff, but then again I thrive on controversy.

Maybe I should keep my mouth shut since I havent been around here long, but that is usually not my way |confused|

I thoroughly enjoyed last night's Radio Show - it was informative and entertaining, and I didn't get any sort of "conspiracy theory" whiff at all - everything seemed way too chaotic and raw.
Torn and Trixie were superb guests, and it was great to listen to some really strong opinions and emotions.
Exactly what's needed to thrash out the issues, surely.

I think it's much better to get most of these clashes of opinions out in the open now rather than further down the line when more people will be watching with intent to cause problems.
As long as the final outcome is a strong and continued push all in the same direction it's all pretty normal stuff IMHO.
:)

As I already sent to Greenguy, I decline to be on the radio show. First off, I have some weekly family time that happens on Tuesday, which would mean changing other people's plans, and secondly, I have long since made my points on the subject and no longer have any interest in keeping it going any further.

I see no upside and a whole ton of downside. Why bother?

Alex

I often don't make the radio show because I hate voices coming from a computer. Always have and probably will but I think I'll make an exception for next week. While I don't think the issue is even worth debating because it gets so clouded that I feel people end up arguing unrelated issues I do enjoy both Alex and FurryGirl so I think it will be fun :)

Let me add this:

I have already been labeled, insulted, and otherwise abused in these threads. There is nothing new going to happen by appearing on the radio and listening to more insults and name calling from someone who not only has strong opinions but believes that the rest of us are out to get her.

Alex

Oh well, we tried :)

I'd still be interested in hearing what furrygirl has to say, even if Alex declines to participate. Many people come across far differently in person (or live on the phone) than they do in written form on the boards.

I think people need to read the actual thread in question:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28437

There it is...really read it, because what was said on the radio show regarding it was very inaccurate, things that were said in the radio show just didn't happen in that thread, and I don't think anyone should get thrown under the bus based on fallacies or misrepresentations.

I may not be taking the popular stance here, because I have to agree, after listening to the radio show I thought a few members really acted like misogynistic assholes. However, afterwards I read the thread in question...it goes to prove one important thing...it's always better to form opinion on first hand information than a grapevine retelling of what happened.

So, I urge everyone to reread that thread carefully, I know it's long, but really reread it and then listen to the radio show again. As I said, form your own opinions on what was said in that thread...now that I've read it, I don't think Sirmoby, RawAlex, Surfn, or Walrus presented themselves in a vicious or malicious manner.

Also remember, if you're opinionated, make sure you wear your thick skin on the boards. That's the first lesson I learned in porn :D

Mr Blue, I agree with you, to a point. To me, the feminism issue seemed off-topic at the time. Furrygirl insisted most adult webmasters are against a feminist voice representing the adult industry; that is a complete misrepresentation. I think most of us value what female webmasters like Furrygirl or Trixie has to say.

Still, the distinction she was making between male and female webmasters / TGP and paysite owners was clearly divisive and distracting to the thread.

But what was said on the radio show didn't just happen out of thin air. You have to do better than read the link you posted to see where all that pent-up emotion is coming from (goes all the way back to when this board was temorarily blue).

Trixie was also invited by others to speak on the show impromtu and she was just voicing her honest opinion. Whether what she said was accurate or not, I do see where she is coming from.

The only thing that saddens me about all this is seeing people who usually make valuable post stoop to name calling and completely refusing to compromise or acknowledge a different point of view. If we are going to have a discussion, let it be a rational discussion not a fucking flame war or friends backing up friends in the name of good business.

Halfdeck, read that thread again very carefully. The name calling and labelling came from one side of the discussion and one side only. When anyone said "looks like this could be prostitution", the answer was to say that we were little boys easily offended by the oldest profession.

As I said elsewhere: When you come to the table with an extreme manifesto and a huge chip on your shoulder, there is very little chance that your "opinions" are going to leave much space for anyone else, nor are they a good starting point for fruitful discussions.

Alex

Damn, my name popped up and now I gotta listen to the show. Oh well, hopefully it will provide a little fodder for the blog...it's been a bit boring lately without something to go on a rant about!

Halfdeck, I agree with what you're saying. Also I completely understand the frustration that webmasters like Furrygirl, Trixie, Kat, have to go through in this industry.

I personally never view anyone as "Content" and just that. I treat porn entirely like a business and I want to associate with people that treat it as such, right down to the models. I don't care about gender, I don't care about what avenue of porn you participate in, and I judge people based off of their professionalism.

Also what Trixie said is valid, I respect her right to voice her opinions and they're good opinions.

The only thing that did trouble me was the thread itself was sidetracked by something that wasn't really necessary at the moment. Also, I think some people got a little demonized and a bit unfairly.

Unfortunately the side-effect is going to be harsh feelings, retaliation, etc. and that's not going to help anyone. I just hope that the thread, which is one of the best threads going if you remove the sidetrack, gets back on course.

you could have listened with your linux box, with xmms. let me know if you need help. (I know you drink lots of merlot at night and have trouble with computers) :D

Well, I finally downloaded last night's show and listened to the full 1:28. I went through a range of emotions while listening and I paced a lot. I learned that if I come on the board and tell you that "the sky is not exactly blue", someone will go the radio show and tell you that I said "the sky is red". And someone will claim that I'm twisting another's words while twisting mine.

BTW, anyone who doesn't agree with me is a whiner and a dickhead.

Interesting
 

Lauren and I just listened to the show. Now it's time to read the threads and I will post my opinions- (Just what we need huh?)

ALOHA

I know you are but what am I? |loony|

Simon

::the racist...evidently::

You are whiney little cunt! Oh wait, that's what Surfn said. Okay, he didn't really say that, but I'm going to claim that what he said was equal to that even if all he did was comment on your age. :D

I resemble that remark :D

How dare you call Trixie that? You suck!

Alex

OK... I still haven't listened to the show, mainly because I was working yesterday, but also because I'm wondering whether I need to spend an hour or so listening to something that may or may not be controversial but will ultimately not make me any money. As fun as the radio show is, I don't have time for it this week.

But can I just say: When Greenie said he was going to discuss that "political influence" thread on the radio show, I thought he was actually going to discuss the original issues - labels, COPA, greater involvement in the FSC and how to get our message out to the public...

While the whole "feminist" thing was originally based on that last point, it has got bogged down in argument and got off topic.

Would Greenie and Jim consider doing a radio show about the original issues?

grandma - we've touched on that a couple tinmes in the last few shwos - Jim & I favor a V-Chip kinda thing that installed on all computers where a very simple meta tag rating must be applied to each & every site, otherwise the chip will not let you surf to it. The chip has the option of being turned on/off if the parent's choose to do so...just like TV's (here in the States anyway)

Opinion - Warning long post
 

Lauren and I just listened to the show. Our first impression is this.
While Trixie speaks of feminism, in the same breath she calls herself an "indi web whore" Something isn't right about that!
There is a difference between a woman who wants to be treated as an equal, and a woman that just wants to do whatever she feels like doing!
People love to justify their actions in the name of feminism. IE " I am liberating women to be free with my bat up the ass site" While that certainly may be true, it definitely is NOT helping feminism!
As an amateur pay site owner I see to every detail of our site (apart from ccbills part), I could not help but relate heavily to Trixie and what she was trying to say (In her very scattered and holding back kind of way) At the same time, I think during her emotional rant, she overlooked a bigger picture.
I think it was Torn that said it, We all need each other! This is a symbiotic industry and it's only getting bigger.
1. symbi·otic - A close, prolonged association between two or more different organisms of different species that may, but does not necessarily, benefit each member.
2. A relationship of mutual benefit or dependence.

The different species are, the TGP webmaster, the LL webmaster, the MGP webmaster, the Amateur Pay Site webmaster, Pro and Am Models etc...
We all come together to make our businesses more money.
I have heard so many tgp, mgp and LL webamsters say " without us, there is no traffic, we are the lube of the fiscal adult internet" while that is true, I have heard models (who are often wrongly just considered content) say "Without us there IS no adult internet" Like the definition says, A close, prolonged association between two or more different organisms of different species that may, but does not necessarily, benefit each member. Question is where do you fall in the Symbiotics?
One species of webmaster is not more important or special then another! If you want to make a cry for something how about UNITY. There is not enough.
With that all being said, I need to come back to Trixie and her comments on the show. What she touched on that really rang true for for me and Lauren is the fact that while we all need each other for business, we also have different needs and ways from which we go about making our money and our content. For some it's a matter of submitters, for others its joining programs, some people buy it, and then people make it at home too. (lets not worry about people like vivid) As humans we all assume that what things are like for us, must be like for others. like 2257 for example. Well a tgp owner or LL owner etc.. may have no problems listing his home address, especially a young single webmaster with no spouse or kids. But an amateur, particualrly a single female amateur or milf with kids,making her content at home and running it on her own, may have a problem with listing her home address for whois. I just recently discovered this board from MadMax,LL owner and contributor here. He noticed my whois was protected, for this very reason. While he felt comfortable giving his personal info for whois, we don't and we shoot at a different location where our records and business offices are. It's a huge expense and pain in the ass that a guy with a LL or TGP only, just doesn't have to go through to make his sites and money. After a few posts, MadMax and I realized that we both just want to help each other make more money, so he introduced me to this board and here I am! (Thanx again Bro!)
Meanwhile I am just trying to learn to make freesites to LL owners specifications! |roses|
Last thought, I try and work from a point of view that everything I do as a webmaster comes together in a "synergistic" way to give me the success I need and want. tgps>mgps>LL>link trades>ads>other"indi web whores"|crazy| hehe. While I may get more sales from one type more then another, I realize the importance of them all!

ALOHA

Okay, I'll never fucking sleep tonight if I don't get this out of the way. I consider Alex to be my friend, even if he is one of those filthy Canadian folk. He took a brutal and unjustified beating on last night's show and it has me in a god damned tizzy. Yes, a tizzy. If any of you ever feel so fucking outraged at someone's opionions - quote that person's statement verbatim and keep your argument on the board where the person can reciprocate if they so choose. Anything else is just plain cowardess. If you are so fearful that your side of the argument is too weak to win on the board, then shut your fucking mouth and suck it up. I have to do it all the time.

I'm all about cheap shots and name-calling. You know that. But you won't see me changing venues just so no one will be there to call me on my bullshit. Whenever you ambush someone, don't be surpised when they get back up and kick your teeth out.

That's it, you asked for it.... UW, on report.... Surfn, on report.

LOL |bananna|

That does it never ever again. I don't need this shit! |boobies|

I bet you're purty when you're in a tizzy.

Back to the point, Alex wasn't the only that got, umm, misrepresented in last night show. If you haven't read the thread yet, read it, because you might wonder wtf they were talking about on the show.

Mr Blue - the discussion on the show touched on a couple of threads - if you look for threads that both Raw Alex & furrygirl have posted in, it'll become a bit clearer :)

Geez, they've been at it in other threads? Maybe they really love each other and this is just pent up sexual desire....or....maybe not.

Okay, so I won't speak on that part, but I still think SirMoby, Walrus, and Surfin (unless there were other threads involving this happy group) were just trying to keep the topic on track.

All I'm saying, GG&J Scratch Sheets, just like the horse races you supply the handicaps, tips, etc. before each show.

Okay, so I read the other thread...reading that other thread just confirmed to me that Alex isn't a misogynistic tyrant, in fact it probably makes me more willing to defend him, but I'm just a lowly TGP owner, gallery builder, freesite builder, blog writer, and reviewer that takes no risk in porn, so I doubt my humble opinion would be worth much.

|haha YEP it's apparent you read the other post!

Useless, I appreciate your tizzy. You are quite correct, the more and more this goes on, the more and more one side is using name calling and snide comments to "make points" and the less and less they bring to the table. It has gotten down to empty sloganeering and repeated chants that just doesn't amount to much besides noise.

Mr Blue, I thank you as well. However, I do have to correct you, it has been suggested that I am a "misogynistic prick", not a tyrant. It is clear you have read the other threads, and like many "TGP operators", you feel that you have been summarily dismissed as unimportant and not worthy of having an opinion. It is funny to think that a huge portion of the online adult business could be dismissed so easily.

At the end of all of this, it is clear we need each other, but we need each other on a level playing field where nobody is coming to the party with a huge chip on their shoulder, and nobody is prejuding people because of the work they do or the sites they run. Until then, this is all for naught.

Alex

I know I'm late to the party having just recently listened to the radio show. I too would like to thank Mr Blue and Greenguy who managed to sum up pretty well the meaning behind me "biting my tongue". The part he missed is that I do have a personal issue with someone and I said it as a reminder to myself that a personal issue had no place on the board.

Torn or anyone else, you have a problem with anything I post, bring it to me. Im a big boy, I can take it and I'm even a big enough boy that if I'm wrong, I can admit it. Whining about it behind my back...well thats just being a punk.

Trixie - Perhaps with the exception of this post, find a single post on this board where I have been disrespectful of anyone. I find it hypocritical that I'm supposed to be understanding and supportive of your brand of extreme porn (yes I consider red porn extreme) when you obviously can't understand someone who develops an extreme blog persona taking guys night out and pushing it to the extreme. But, if you bother to get past the fact that I over use terms like bitch and cunt a bit on my blog, read past that, and I know you'll find that I am very supportive of women just like you, the independant web girl. In fact, if I wanted to bother searching through my e-mail archives, I know I can find an e-mail that pretty much says exactly that.

Thanks for bringing that point back to my limited realm of conciousness. Trixie mentioned that she doesn't like being described with our more derogatory marketing terminology. I can't say that I blame her, but she needs to understand how we market to many types of men. I'm willing to bet that you'll get a lot more traffic from a link that calls a woman a "nasty little whore" than you will from one that refers to her as "socially concious, but naked". One of the reasons a man surfs porn is to find someone more daring and dirty than the woman(en) in his life. I'll use my own wife as an example. She is a sweet, attractive, and educated woman. I'm positive that that is all she appears to be to most people. But with me, she's my dirty little whore. Much of the text I write is born from the wacky shit I say to her when we're scrogging. (I'm especially foul-mouthed when she is blowing me.) Does this mean that I truly consider her to be a whore? Yes, but that's an entirely other issue. :D All I'm saying is, when you see your fine self being marketed as a nasty slut, that doesn't mean that we webmasters think that you are really a nasty slut. We're just attempting to appeal to a part of the man's psyche that NEEDS and WANTS you to be a slut.

UW, it is the difference for us between being men and being women. Allow me to explain.

Last time I heard a number, something like 80% or more of porn surfers are men. I would bet you that many a TGP or link site is seeing closer to 95% men. As we are men, we are in a unique position to understand and market to men, because, well, we all have much of the same feelings that our clients have. The only difference is that we are more or less extreme on certain issues.

I have a feeling that very, very few of the porn surfers we deal with daily would give a rats ass about "socialy councious", they just want to see some pussy, and work on their fantasies (whatever they may be). They came to spank the monkey, not save the monkeys in india.

I accept and understand that some percentage of the porn surfing population can think nice things and still make the little guy do his job, but in the real world slamming the salami is just a manual version of rutting, which is a primal, base urge that isn't very socially concious by nature.

Alex

Audio file please :D