For you "Creationists"...
 

I just returned from dinner where I was bother through out by this pesky fly. My question is this "Why is it that Noah didn't just swat those two flies?" :D

lol, that's a good question Surfn =)

Ok...that's just fuckin funny! |haha

Thanks Surfn |thumb

Someone had to deal with all the shit around that boat.

I think its because insects and bugs were here long before us and once we kill each other over something stupid like oil or some other form of greed, they'll be here long after us.|crazy|

That was good Surfn. Creationism drives me crazy. To actually believe that the Earth and everything else only started 6000 years ago is crazy. They just take the facts and throw them out the window.

Oh, and don't forget...Trying to fool us, it's not creationism anymore, it's Intelligent Design.

Morons, they are nothing but morons.

The problem with Creationists is that they won't evolve.

Flies aren't all bad though. I prefer them to the Creationists, actually.

At least flies have a beneficial side. Besides helping to control other insect pests, acting as scavengers and recylers, and serving as food themselves for other insects and many birds, they're are also great pollinators--only bees and some wasps pollinate more plants and flowers than flies.

And man, are they ever prolific!

If all of the offspring of only two flies were to survive and reproduce for only 5 months, the entire earth would be covered in flies to a depth of between 23 and 47 feet. That's some serious fucking.

For those who want more probably useless flies facts...
http://www.hydeparkmedia.com/housefly.html


Simon

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Creationism - the belief that common sense is wrong.

They would have failed using that term in my classes. |banghead|

That's why they changed the name...to slip it in Public Schools.

My step-son who lived with his born again father while he was young used to start crying when I would try to explain evolution. He has smartened up since then.

I seen something like that on PBS, tring to explain evolution...

Maybe you did better than they did.
They had alot of "what if, maybe, could of been, perhaps, possibly, and so on". I really thought to myself, why air it until there were actual facts.

Theory [s], everybody has one... lol


Ben

Don't tell me Ben...
You don't believe in "Intelligent Design" do you?

If the world as it is today was designed I think it must have been 'Stupid Design'. No truly intelligent designer would have made something so fucked up. If God exists he's a moron.

Sorry, I had to go "create" some fly food... :D
But then I flushed it... |huh

Lets see... as the famous GreenGuy said:
Though I will add I may of had kin swing from a tree by their neck |cry|


Ben

People that believe in Creationism believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth, the Earth is no more than 6000 years old and as I said, throw the facts out the window.

As for theroies...everything is a theory. The theory that Darwin came up with is based on facts, not blind faith. As I have always said, there are over 5000 religions in the world. What makes Christianity the one that is right and the other 4999 wrong?

I myself believe in the Big Bang Theory. Which brings me to people that believe in Aliens far advanced than us. If we are to believe in the Big Bang Theory, why would an alien life form evolve faster than people on Earth? I do believe that there are life forms on planets outside of our Galaxy but I think they are about as evolved as we are. Damn, did I just go off on a tangent?

Ben, aren't you sinning all over the place just by being in the business you are in? Or, are you one of those people that just believes the part of the bible that is convenient for you?

And Ben, since you believe that the Earth started 6000 years ago, what do you make of Carbon Dating that shows people and animals lived much, much longer ago than that?

my porn is not a sin. I throw holy water on my screen every day or so. makes my porn "saved' and safe for catholic viewing

|jester|

Intelligent design is only discussed by closed minded people (I won't go so far as to say unintelligent, but certainly not good with facts and science).

My question has always been this: We always talk about "the universe" - what happens if this is only "a universe amoungst others"? In the same manner that we see evolution within this universe, could universes have also "evolved"?

For me the concept that we came from nothing isn't much more comforting than "some old guy made it in a week, and he took a day off, even".

Alex

Peeing on your monitor isn't holy water. |jester| |jester| |jester| |jester| |bananna| |bananna|

:D

What can I say Jim,

I like, no... Love pussy...
I love hot sweaty uninhibited down right nasty SEX...

I love putting material on the internet that makes other people want to have sex, hopeful they will be woman wanting to have sex with me.

Sinning, I thinks that is in ones own mind or the standards of our current society...

Who said I believe the earth is 6K old? Though carbon dating is faulty and in some cases un-reliable, I believe the earth is billion [s] of years old.
Hell, when I was a kid I had a T-rex as a pet... I'm getting so old that its getting hard to get an erection, I better go make some more porn sites.

Jim, and everyone really, we fight daily against those that would crush our freedoms... I believe we have a right to believe what we want, as well as do what we want as long as it dont violate someone elses freedom [s].

lol, I also have to say this... Sin Sexual Porn... |thumb


Ben

I am not trying to crush your freedom Ben. I am only having a discussion that seems to include Creationism vs Evolution. And to tell you the truth, I have never met anyone in this business that didn't believe in Evolution. It would seem to me that being in this business and believing in God is a huge conflict.

And the 6000 year old Earth...comes from the bible.

I may be wrong about this whole thing with you Ben. Perhaps you are not a Christian and only believe that someone or something planned all this out. That would make you an Agnostic. And, that would explain everything you have said up to now.

OMG there is a God???

Yup, and she's really pissed. :D

Well stick a red hot butt plug in her and call her done

The cylons seem to think so :D

Thou Shalt Not Have Any Gods Before Me |buddy|

Jim, if the evolution of intelligence is related to the age of the planet, which is related to the age of the star, we here on this planet happen to be circling a comparitively younger star.

There are star systems, and presumably planets, billions of years older than ours.

All you would need is a planet a few thousand years ahead of us to produce advanced aliens, compared to us.

No, I'm not personally big into aliens, but I do know there are young stars and older stars, and the sun is a little bit younger rather than older.

Galaxy Song

Spoken: Whenever life gets you down Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft
And you feel that you've had quite enough...

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

- Monty Python

The problem with the whole concept that started this thread is that you put any credence in a storybook that was written to justify a religion - anyone can write "tales" and publish them for the readers enjoyment - to create a story and then try to pass it off as a true historical account of reality is entirely idiotic
Anyone wanna explain to me how Adams son (I believe this story was called Genesis) married and had children when Adam and Eve only had two sons? Either he was the first true Oedipus complex afflicted human (incest at its best) or someone just forgot a few little details in their storytales.
If you need religion to explain life you are definitely missing out on the big picture here.

Stop asking questions. You are not supposed to learn you are supposed to have faith. I bet you read too :D

1. Christians have the most nukes.
2. Christians see it as their mission to convert everyone else.

Some religions spread through gentle teaching. Some spread through converting or killing off those that can't be converted.

Bill is right. The universe is about 13 billion old and to have 2 things develop at the same speed over the course of 13 billion years is highly unlikely. Where would we be today if we developed at the time that Dinosaurs developed?

The Big Bang theory is based on an idea that an explosion happened in the center of the universe and exploded outward, and according to all the brains, the universe is still expanding, so going by that, the outside edges is older then the inside closer to the center, so if that is the case, lets assume we are in the middle of it all and anything closer to the center then us is less developed, and anything farther from the center is more developed.


OW.... that hurt my brain.....|dizzy|

good newer big bang stuff here.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._010413-1.html


and for sparky and others. here's a paper with the math :P

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0103/0103239.pdf

Love this thread! :) I've always thought that the best way to put an end to all this terrorism bullshit (Muslims anyway) is to educate their youth - especially science/evolution. Unfortunately though, there are plenty of well educated terrorist fuckwads. Then again they probably don't teach evolution in Saudi Arabia or any Islamic state for that matter simply because it would mean Allah was kin to The Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, etc. The Bible/Koran/Etc. - find it in the fiction section at a book store near you!

We're coming along at least..

PS - Sounds like I'm not the only Science Channel junkie in here :D

|jester|