Unofficial Webmaster Poll
 

I was wondering what percentage of Pay/Signup or Revshare most webmasters use. The results would be interesting.

I was going to make this an actual poll for you but it appears I can't.

I use mostly revshare, around 75% of my monthly income. That's probably higher than the average since I promote mostly niche sites and single girl personality sites.

I'm with Toby on this. I love CCBill, then nats, then pps. Between CCBill and nats programs made up 85% of last months earnings.

I do things a little different, about half of my income is from recurring AVS's, I also do well with PPS on cam sites, then it's paysite sponsors at about 10% where I almost always use revshare.

revshare for me mostly since my niche rebills forever :) otherwise i would be fucked lol :D add to that i jave never been able to give away freeporn lol free sign-up and $1 trials never work for me but 29.95 month and 3 month 90.00 do great i don't get it(well, i do lol but it's a secret).

Well over half my income each month is from revshare.

I was mostly using PPS for the quick payout but have been switching to some revshare now that my hosting is usually taken care of each month lol. I think I'll be moving more to revshare in the future too, rebills sure are nice :)

From all the advice I've gotten (said and unsaid ;) ) I decided to stick with revshare right from the beggining.

I'd say I'm 95% revshare. :D

As far back as a few months ago I probably would have made more money using PPS, but now that I've got a small flow of all things going on my rebills should start to make up the difference. |thumb

Revshare
 

Revshare is the only way in my opinion.

Some members renew for years |bananna|

I was just about to ask the same question :)

At first I thought that this is a no-brainer. The money's got to be in revshare, so I used only reveshare codes.
Now, on my first 5 sites I've had a total of 9 signups, and I'm super happy about that |bananna|
However, 7 were for revshare and only 1 of those stayed beyond the initial trial :(
So it seems like I would have done much better with PPS... unless that single one will stay as a member for 5 years or something I guess :D

Then again, if a sponsor is willing to pay $30 for a 2 dollar signup, it must mean that they average much more than $30 per signup.. right?

Sorry about that |banghead| |badidea|

poll added. :)

I use mostly pps. After looking at my stats for the past few months, I will probably be adding a lot more revshare.

Mostly PPS for me at the moment, but I'm slowly starting to change to revshare......slowly.
:)

Ever wonder why so many sponsors start up and dissappear 6 months later? ;)

The way I see it, traffic that rebills is what I want most because it fits in line with the type of business I want to run.

For that reason, I focus on seeking out and working with traffic that does just what you described. :D

Just noticed you're in my neck of california so howdy.

Thats my opinion as well. But I only do revshare with ccbill cause I like it. I do it with nats cause I have to. Other programs that give option I choose PPS because I do not have visibility. ccbill programs give the ability to see how long a person has rebilled and whether or not they have canceled yet so you can forecast. I mentioned in another thread that last month sales and rebills were the same at ccbill. Plus 80% had 3 payouts or more. 1 over 3 years, 3 over 2 years, 8 over 1 year and 16 over the 6 mo mark just to give a bit of info. Plus I can see that 11 people have canceled for next month at this time. Bummer

I'm more heavily into PPS than I should be...working on changing that now |thumb

I seen the light when one popular webmaster told me how many rebills he had in one good day...

my experiance with PPS goes - thrive or starve with PPS, the last 2 months I have been building more towards rev share and long term success is more rev share with some pps mixed in as a added bonus...

thing is about changing your biz attack is that it takes to long to see results from PPS to rev share, but if you want to have a worth while income then you have to have a solid rebill income to get you over the rocky times

One of my few sponsors that I get volume bonuses with started showing my conversions from trials(over 50%|bananna| ), so I am going to start to push more to their revshare program rather than PPS.

I mainly do revshare for the same reasons as Toby posted about niche and solo sites.

The pps model is a payout based on all the income from the site. Many sites that use pps don't have good members areas but rely mostly on cross sales, upsells, member mailouts etc etc. So your payout is a reflection of the total income from the site, not the surfer retention specifically.

Thats all well and good, but I have to admit that even though revshare only rewards you for good retention, revshare has been the big moneymaker for me this year ... whereas pps made me the majority of my income since 2001. All the pps programs I promote have just stopped converting .. strange.

My initial thought is that they don't know what they're doing...or don't know what they're getting into :D

Yea, no kidding!! LOL!!
But if everyone stayed as a member for years, I'm guessing that there would be even more, and WAY more, competition in this field of biz. ;)

Hey JustRobert! |waves|
Nothing beats south CA! |sun
Nice weather all year, bayby :)

I actually find CCBill's interface to be quite clunky compared to some of my other sponsors stats, but I haven't really gotten into it to much and I guess that that's a preference too.. and if/when I have 300+ rebills with CCBill I might se things differently :)

Ok.
So is this a BIG diffeence?
Are there categories that ALWAYS convert rebills better than others?

I can see that a 'Teen" category might be a big seller (although I wouldn't even try to touch it with my 10 feet pole :D ) but since there is SO damn much free good stuff out there, why even bother??

And is a ,say BDSM category, a more worthy rebill target?

I think that by default, most people use more revshare.

As everyone knows, I'm signed up to a lot of programs. The ratio of revshare to PPS is over 2:1

Now, if you ask me which one I make more money from, that's a different story :D

I much prefer revshare. Would rather take less upfront and hope for a signup where the member forgets about his credit card charges for a year or 2. ;)

I like the per-signup option because that way I get the money right away, instead of having to wait for 2-3 months. Of course I loose on it if the referred member will stay for a longer period of time, but I believe that it’s just such a small percentage that will stay longer than 3 months, so it’s not worth it.

I've been using almost exclusively revshare because as a noob I wanted the immediate income vs. the long term. I assumed the sponsors pretty much know what payout on pps is going to equal the expected payout for revshare. They're not going to give us an edge either way. (Funny how most $4.95 trials pay $30.00-$35.00) They must know something. As I see it, the only way a webmaster gets an advantage either way is if he/she is better at pushing one program or the other. When I compare the cost of a three day trial to a burger and fries, it gets easy to push the pps. I'm going to start using revshare for a while and see if I can sell it and watch my stats and see how I do.

I use a lot more pps than revshare. I like the instant money coming in every month! I am working a little more revshare in though.

Okay, I'll bite... how much more money do you make from PPS than revshare? :D

While we're running a revshare program, when promoting others I prefer to use PPS.

We really focus our business around retention, but part of me does not trust others to do the same, so I feel more secure in the upfront payment.

Thats why I like programs that only have revshare. I assume they are trying to focus on retention. This is also the reason if a program gives me the choice between the two I choose PPS.

Greenie, I'll bite as well. Just give a percentage. 20%, 100% or more :D

PPS predominantly.

Finding the RevShare programs that make over $30 / sign-up is a real bitch.

Like Toby I mainly promote single girl programs..so it is much more advantagous to be in rev-share since single (indie/solo) girls who run their own sites tend to have, in my opinion, better retention equally more $$ in my pocket.

hmmm LA?? Isn't that one of the many growing Las Vegas suburbs??

Agreed, although I do have a couple of revshare sponsors that do $30/sign-up.

High $$/sign-up is nice, but I'm really more concerned with $$/click and total $$.

If we were doing this properly, we'd be talking about $made per unique visitor to your site / unique ad view :-))

I see in your sig you run some niche stuff.... do you find revshare retains longer / makes more money in those niches?

The other major bug I have with revshare is that it transfers the Retention Risk onto me... frankly, I have enough to worry about! LOL.

revshare for sure :) Those times where I need to take off for a couple of months arent hard to handle with rebills. If you pick the right sponsors, revshare will make you more money over the long run for sure. Just yesterday a member from ATK rebilled for the 46'th time, ive made damn near 700$ on that one guy in the last 4 years, which IMO is alot better then just a quick 35 bucks.

I usually dump sponsors if their rebill rate drops below 25-30%, anything above that and you make some good money a few months down the road.

The problem with revshare that Ive experienced - and this is what some have alluded to already - is that if you actually do the calculations with a per visitor sent and per click, the money actually works out better with PPS - by a long shot.
Not dissing o anything, but if you have a member that made $700 for you over 4 years, how does that average out over total clicks sent to the sponsor - every calculation Ive done on both mine and the way GG has his stats, it sure seems that we are making double the money on PPS.(at least - and in some revshare sponsors ten times as much than using a comparable revshare sponsor)

I agree with you Linkster even though I prefer ccbill sites. I have done a quick comparison and would have made far more money if they would have been PPS. Problem is that I have always had a hard time selling the cookie cutter looking pps sites. When I started I was only pps with a few big programs. But as soon as I started selling ccbill sites I actually had more sales and made more money plus the rebills were a bonus. Why? Not a clue. Same paid content, same tactics and submissions to the same places. Then these sponsors offered quality free content and sales improved even more. I know I suck at this but that has been my experience for the past 5 years. Guess I will alway be a newbie :)

Yeah I guess... just like Miami, Boston and Seattle :D