Jay and I have worked out the problem (all you drama enthusiasts read this thread)
 

For those of you that know Jay or me really well, you know that we are both stand-up guys who are good to our word. We have both spent a significant amount of time helping other people and we both follow good, ethical business practices.

So how is it that 2 different, stand-up guys who used to work together develope such a problem with each other? Three reasons 1) both of us made some silly, stupid mistakes 2) both of us have our ego and pride and (most importantly) 3) we're big competitors.

We spent the last half hour on the phone trying to figure out how all of this happened AND how to find a solution. Since we know we're both smart competitors, we check out each other's pages, and of course we will see what works for the other person. And both of us have modelled work after the other.

I think damage has been done to both of our reputations, and that is unfortunate. But I also think that Jay has suffered an unfair amount of damage from all this debauchery, and for that I am sorry. For what it's worth, I once again consider Jay a reputable person with which to do business.

And while we are both competitors, we are also now allies. In the future we will be working together more intensively on projects that will be mutually beneficial to both of us.

And to everyone else on GG & Jim, sorry to end all of the fun drama, but a peaceful resolution has been found. I will be deleting the controvesial threads as peace reigns once again ;)

I for one do not enjoy the drama and would much prefer that everyone got along.

Glad to hear that the tow of you have worked things out. :)

GreenGuy or Jim, will one of you kindly please delete this thread. Jay and I would really appreciate it.

thanks! |greenguy|

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Great to hear guys!

"'If you want the rainbow, you’ve gotta put up with the rain.’ Do you know which philosopher said that? Dolly Parton. And people say she’s just a big pair of tits."
(David Brent - The Office) |jester|

cool. glad to see you both worked out your problems. |shake|

I am not a board reader, I am more of a board skimmer, so had I noticed any of Kush’s pervious posts – this would have all been squashed weeks ago. What I learned from our conversation, is Kush believed I was ignoring him. The fact is I didn’t even see his posts. I came back from spending New Years in New Orleans when I checked my email and took a quick glance at the boards, saw his post, and flew off the handle.

Fact is: messages were crossed, mistakes were made, egos clashed, and this all turned into an ugly mess.

For the record:

I AM NOT A CODE STEALER – I don’t go around and lift other people’s pages – I don’t need to. I did that intentionally to show him what it felt like to have your ideas stolen and used against you – what really set me off was that he had dropped my links. Like he said: he looks at my code, I look at his, and now everybody on GG&Jim is probably looking – lol. It retrospect, I was my own fault he got the ideas – because I posted them on the damn boards. Like an idiot, I invited his competition -- lesson learned.

KUSH IS NOT A LINK DROPPER – Yes, Kush did drop some link trades that we had set up. Do I think he did it on purpose: No. Honest mistakes do happen, since we are such close competitors I took I quite personally and felt like he was out to fuck me. I know plenty of other webmasters he’s set up trades with that he has honored- I believe what happened with me was an anomaly.

Kush is a younger dude, up and coming in the business, and should be here for a while. Because of his youth, he may also be lacking in etiquette – this problem could have been easily solved via ICQ or email without dragging my name through the mud and enlisting his friends to help with the dragging (wicked, keyser, boogie). Just because you posted it, does not mean I’ve read it. For that I am offended, but I have accepted his apologies, and will forget about it and move on.

Long and short: We are both trustworthy people that let the competition get the better us, and both of our allegations were greatly biased and presented out of context.

I big part of the appeal of GG and Jim is that, unlike some other big webmaster boards, where flames are the rule, a beef like this is the exception. I stay off the other boards because of this -- it is a waste of my time, and yours.

While we may continue to battle over the same turf, we have agreed to act like gentlemen instead of junior high school kids, and both would appreciate it greatly if the moderators of Greenguys and Jim would remove all the flames related to this subject – including my initial post.

1 - glad to see you guys worked this out.

2 - we never pull posts unless they are spam - besides, a little bit of piss is good for everybody :)

wll put - i'm gonna have to use that one in the future

Good to hear that kush and xxxjay

ps kush when you get time please dont forget about my email

thanks guys

While I'm glad it is worked out- this would have made a KILLER Judge Judy episode!

Just Kidding- time for the group hug!

;)

Dude - that's a great idea. Just for maximum effect we need to say that we've been fighting over:

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=midget+porn

Because midgets = entertainment|shake|

I like midgets and all but find I can't eat a whole one at once.

LOL. Too bad there's not an R rated "Judge Judy".

Midgets and Clowns scare the shit out of me. |sad|

They just ain't hooked up right. |santa|

Is it a category within fetish yet?

http://www.ClownFuckingMidgets.com

Wow- it's available. Bet it would get a mention on Jerry Springer and Howard Stern. Go ahead, Jay!

wow, there's even a yahoo category dedicated to midget porn!
http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Ec...eries/Midgets/

Boy has this thread taken a turn |rasta|

I've read through a little of this and it seems very deep and that each one of you have sure been throwing some shit around at each other.

It's good to see that you both have sorted your hassles out.
I didn't really want to comment on the other thread as..

1) I 'really' know that much about it.
2) I have good trades and associations with you both.

..and besides that I think you are both pretty cool to work with.

Stay safe! |jester|

Oh my god. Dude...not only that- but:

http://www.honeybutts.com/clown-porn-sex/

I will be having some nightmares tonight. |sad|

Maybe the real nightmare is that this is one of Adult Check's "preferred" webmasters that din't get axed, so it must be selling memberships.

Once I get back from Vegas I will have to add a "Midget Clown Porn Category" to my linklist.

And yeah, between Springer, Stern, Dick Delicious, and writing for CJ I have enough access to the media to blow it up...

Build it and they will come.

Amen to that - congratulations Kush and Jay. |shake|

Yeps

That's really good that you two worked out your differences. I really thought Israel and Palestine were gonna be allies before you two would be. |jester|

Anyway congrats.......peace is always the best way. |shake|

Oh great - I suspose that Murray & I are next on the personal attack list?

|couch|


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I'm glad u guys worked it out..
cause you are both good people..
now..on with my cold!!

Good to see you worked it out :)
Among you two you should be able to corner the entire reality SE market :D

Glad to see that you guys have worked it out. :)

Just to kind of expand on what Greenie said. The main reason we will not remove posts or threads is knowing that makes people think before they post. You do have 5 mins after posting to edit your post but that's it.

Bitching on a board should always be the last resort.

On another note...I am glad you guys worked it out.

I did feel like it was a last resort ;)

But yes, it's all good now. Thanks!

Yeah man - I learned about running your mouth about someone on the boards a long time ago. If you noticed from how the whole thing went down - the real professionals stayed out of it. Crap like this makes everyone look bad. It's a fact that there are three sides to every story:

1. My side
2. Your side
3. The truth

So it does not benifit anyone to air it, especially if you can just handle it without dragging one another's reputations through the dirt. It was a kind of green thing for Kush to do, but then again - if I had not been so stubborn it would have never gone down like this either.

Fuck this shit - I'm in Vegas right now - what am I doing on the boards?

I have money to loose!

Peace!

I'll give this one last bump so I can be sure everyone knows that things are cool ;)

While it has been entertaining reading about the problems you have been having I think we all feel we must all stick together as opposed to go ranting and raving at our colleagues. Remember back when certain people associated with this board unfortunately died, we all stuck together. I think that is just so important. Remember who the real enimies are...it's certainly not you or I.

There will always be webmasters stepping on each other's toes on the search engines. Life is too short to get upset about it. Cooperation is far more productive.

Good news.
I god know you both guys and it's very good, you're worked out the stupid problem :)

Here, here - yeah, it was great fun out in Vegas going:

"Hey, aren't you the guy who was getting trashed on the boards so bad and why did it take you so long to respond?"

Other than that, it was great geting to see all of the people that I chit chat with on these boards overin GG's suite and at the show.

Its easy to argue and dispute... but it takes a lot of personal strength to reconcile differences with a positive outcome.

Well done to you both