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Greenguy 2006-11-07 08:46 AM

New ASACP Website Label Goes Live at RTAlabel.org
 
New ASACP Website Label Goes Live at RTAlabel.org

Los Angeles, CA (November 6, 2006) – The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) has launched a free, voluntary website label for use by adult sites. Complete information about the new RTA (“Restricted To Adults”) label is available at a new website: RTAlabel.org.

The RTA label was developed by ASACP with input from adult companies, free speech attorneys and technical consultants. RTA is designed to better enable parental filtering, and to demonstrate the online adult industry’s commitment to helping parents prevent children from viewing age-inappropriate content.

The RTA label has already been endorsed by companies like Channel 1 Releasing, Company Number 4, Crave Media, Cybersocket, Falcon Studios, Hot Movies, Klixxx, Nasty Dollars, Top Bucks, WRAAC, XBiz and XFanz – as well as noted industry attorneys Lawrence G. Walters and Gregory Piccionelli, and the Free Speech Coalition.

According to FSC Executive Director Michelle Freridge, "The Free Speech Coalition supports the use of ASACP`s voluntary self-label as a strategy to empower consumers. It`s is a responsible best practice for the online industry!"

Last January, during a U.S. Senate hearing entitled “Protecting Children on the Internet,” attorney Paul Cambria of the Adult Freedom Foundation was advised to tell his clients that adult sites had better self-label soon – “Because we’ll mandate it, if you don’t.”

A few months later, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales proposed the Child Pornography and Obscenity Prevention Amendments of 2006, which included a requirement for adult webmasters to place meta tags in the headers of every page on every adult site... or face up to five years in prison.

Several bills now pending in Congress incorporate that provision, but ASACP’s Executive Director Joan Irvine hopes that united action by the adult entertainment industry will head off new regulations.

“Nobody knows how a government labeling system might work, or how it could affect your business,” cautioned Irvine. “And even if mandatory labeling doesn’t pass this time, they’re sure to keep tossing new rules against the wall until one finally sticks. But we can avoid this, by demonstrating that the industry is capable of self-regulation.”

Irvine will speak publicly about the RTA label for the first time later this week, at Webmaster Access West. On Friday, November 10, she will participate in a “State of the Industry” panel, where she will answer questions about the initiative.

Founded in 1996, the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) is a non-profit organization dedicated to eliminating child pornography from the Internet. ASACP also works to help parents prevent children from viewing age-inappropriate material online.

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We've discussed this topic in numerous threads in the past....thought?

Toby 2006-11-07 09:08 AM

I sat in on a roundtable hosted by ASACP at Internext in August. This was the specific topic of discussion. In my opinion the biggest advantage that ASACP has is the potential to make inroads with the search engines. There have already been discussions. The idea being, if Google and the other SE's refuse to list non-labeled adult sites, this herd of cats called webmasters will have incentive to comply.

Greenguy 2006-11-07 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby (Post 310706)
...The idea being, if Google and the other SE's refuse to list non-labeled adult sites, this herd of cats called webmasters will have incentive to comply.

That topic was brought up in one of the other threads (and I think Jim & I touched on it on one of the radio shows) To me, that makes sense & I think it's a great idea.

emmanuelle 2006-11-07 09:42 AM

What is the difference between this labeling system and others that are out there?

Toby 2006-11-07 09:55 AM

The difference between RTA and ICRA is in the complexity. ICRA requires a complex customized tag for each domain. RTA is a simple meta tag that is the same for every site you use it on, and you don't need to register or fill in any forms to use the tag.
Code:


Now, you could argue that the Rating Meta is already in place (content="restricted"), as defined by W3C years ago, but it's not consistantly implemented.

I plan to start adding the RTA meta to all of my pages, and the RTA logo to all of my warning pages. The existing rating meta and ICRA tags will remain in place as well.

Jim 2006-11-07 10:31 AM

I don't know, on one hand it seems as if they have reinvented the wheel. We have had and used these tags for some time. I understand that it is easy to use but is it going to be universally recognized?

A question for you Toby...
I was going to ask you if your were going to use only the new label or the others as well. But, I read your post again and see that you are going to use both or all. If this is "the" label to use, why use the others?

Toby 2006-11-07 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim (Post 310735)
I don't know, on one hand it seems as if they have reinvented the wheel. We have had and used these tags for some time. I understand that it is easy to use but is it going to be universally recognized?

Of course only time will tell, but I think that the initial contacts and inroads that ASACP has made with the SE's, filtering software makers, etc. will eventually make the RTA label more effective than the others. In my opinion the SE's are the key. Get them on board and the rests falls into place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim (Post 310735)
A question for you Toby...
I was going to ask you if your were going to use only the new label or the others as well. But, I read your post again and see that you are going to use both or all. If this is "the" label to use, why use the others?

Until the RTA label becomes well established I think it's prudent to continue to use the others also. There is some filtering software in use that utilize the existence of either the ICRA or Content="restricted" metas.

Jim 2006-11-07 11:07 AM

I guess it can't hurt to use the new tag. But have you seen the members of icra? http://www.icra.org/members/
And, it also works with all the child protection software out there.

I think I am just having trouble understanding why anyone would spend any time coming up with a new tag with perfectly good tags already in place.

But as I said, I guess it can't hurt.

Toby 2006-11-07 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim (Post 310748)
...I think I am just having trouble understanding why anyone would spend any time coming up with a new tag with perfectly good tags already in place.

Those tags have existed for some time, and the Government is still saying, "...we’ll mandate it, if you don’t." ICRA and W3C are not going to spend any time or effort trying to get the adult webmaster community to voluntarily self-label. When is the last time you saw any kind of press release from ICRA directed at webmasters?

Sure ASACP could have just used the existing W3C rating meta label, but a new specific label of their own lets them create a Terms and Conditions of Use.

If ASACP can get the SE's involved, then it levels the playing field by providing incentive for ALL webmasters to self-label, not just those of us in the good ol' U.S.A.

Toby 2006-11-07 11:36 AM

Quote:

If ASACP can get the SE's involved, then it levels the playing field by providing incentive for ALL webmasters to self-label...
Along that same line of thought, getting the major Link Lists and TGPs to require labeling in order to get submissions approved would also go along way towards the same end.

Jim 2006-11-07 11:54 AM

I think you probably swayed me Toby :)

emmanuelle 2006-11-07 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby (Post 310761)
Along that same line of thought, getting the major Link Lists and TGPs to require labeling in order to get submissions approved would also go along way towards the same end.


Admittedly I have not paid much attention to the whole thing, but I still don't understand why this one should be supported rather than the others.

Toby 2006-11-07 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emmanuelle (Post 310765)
Admittedly I have not paid much attention to the whole thing, but I still don't understand why this one should be supported rather than the others.

Because ASACP is actively trying to get the search engines involved. Without that, any kind of voluntary self-labelling has little chance of being used in a high enough percentage to keep the gov't from taking things into their own hands and mandating labelling that most likely will not be industry friendly nor very effective.

Fonz 2006-11-07 12:39 PM

So are you guys using this meta tag already and do you put it on every page you create?

virgohippy 2006-11-07 01:39 PM

It'd be nice if the SE bots are intuitive enough to search for the tag on the root - they already munch on my robots.txt everytime they hit a page of mine anyway.

But, personally, I think I'll just add it to new pages, in my existing "add to everything I build" collection of header tags. And I'll probably add it to my traffic pages too, because I have so few of them anyway. |loony|

Greenguy 2006-11-07 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emmanuelle (Post 310765)
Admittedly I have not paid much attention to the whole thing, but I still don't understand why this one should be supported rather than the others.

When was the last time you heard of any of the other ones working with us? Attending shows? Giving seminars? Requesting feedback?

ASACP is basically one of us & after the seminars I've attended & articles/threads I've read, this seems like the best & easiest solution.

bluemoney 2006-11-07 03:05 PM

Based on what I’ve read here by people with far more time in the business than myself, I’m going to add the label to my pages.

emmanuelle 2006-11-07 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 310813)
When was the last time you heard of any of the other ones working with us? Attending shows? Giving seminars? Requesting feedback?

ASACP is basically one of us & after the seminars I've attended & articles/threads I've read, this seems like the best & easiest solution.



Some pretty good reasons |thumb

Ms Naughty 2006-11-07 07:05 PM

Labelling with ICRA is a pain in the arse. If it's as simple as adding that meta tag to every page, I'm all for it.

juggernaut 2006-11-07 11:25 PM

I don’t have any problem with either of these labels. To be honest if it took me a whole day in order to get them to work I would still do it. But one question I have is how is this going to be any different then what IRCA is doing? I understand about the SE and how it will or might be involved but once again we come back to the source. If the parent does not enable the features then how will this stop a youngling from viewing? Too much time is spent working with government and other organizations to implement requirements for WM when that time would be better spent going to the source of the software and having them enable the features out of the box. Why don’t I hear about meetings with MS or Apple to turn on these features directly during the OS and software install? It's all very frustrating cause I feel next year will be another restriction placed on WM and the year after that and so on. When all the while it's the parents who we all know need to be the first fight in this.

Maj. Stress 2006-11-08 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby (Post 310761)
Along that same line of thought, getting the major Link Lists and TGPs to require labeling in order to get submissions approved would also go along way towards the same end.

I've been thinking about this all day and I have to agree with you. I like the idea of a simple meta tag that is universally accepted that all of us can use. There is no reason not to use it.

We do not need a bunch of lawmakers that have no idea how this industry works making laws telling us how to do it. If we can get this in place before push comes to shove I think we will have a better end result.

Link list and tgp owners what do you think? Start requiring the label? Or at least start encouraging it's use?

ecchi 2006-11-09 01:40 AM

Only just glanced at the site, but it seems to me a good idea for one big reason. Many of my sites are not the standard 'throw up twenty pics and leave it alone' sites, but sites that are occasionally updated (sort of like an adult blog, but not quite the same). What is on the site changes, and the ICRA tag either has to be changed regularly or becomes incorrect. So in the past I have not bothered with it (and not being a US citizen I do not have to worry about this law). But I do at least have the decency to feel guilty about this. With the RTA tag I do not have this problem, so I have no excuse not to add the tags.

Altheon 2006-11-09 11:38 AM

I never liked how ICRA made you use their script to generate the code. I saw that as a centralized list of adult sites. And for that reason I stopped tagging my sites. If ASACP has a tag that I can just plug in to my pages all the better. No centralized registration, no cumbersome forms.

What would be really cool would be something we could put in our .htaccess so everything governed by that .htaccess file would be labeled as adult.

-A

ecchi 2006-11-09 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altheon (Post 311243)
What would be really cool would be something we could put in our .htaccess so everything governed by that .htaccess file would be labeled as adult.

I second that.

RedCherry 2006-11-10 12:47 PM

I've started using it, and I have a question on free sites. If I put a link to this page: http://www.rtalabel.org/parents.php with the link "Parents, learn how to block minors from accessing adult content at the RTA website", in small text with my copyright/2257 text on my index page is that ok? Don't want it to count as one of my index page links. I want to see more parents learning how to filter sites, I told a lot of people on my recent trip how much I feel that parents need to take responsibility for what their children have access to on the internet.

Greenguy 2006-11-10 01:38 PM

RedCherry - if someone tells you that link is counted towards your outgoing links or ad totals, then I'd stop submitting to them, as they have their head up their ass.

virgohippy 2006-11-10 01:46 PM

I was going to say the same thing, minus the ass of course - for some people having a head up the ass is good times, afterall. |loony|

I imagine most of the (itty bitty) LL owners I've talked to wouldn't have a problem, but my only concern would be losing the traffic/backlinks from those who do have a problem with it. |huh

If you try it out, can you post the results? I just finished a freesite last night so I may do it on one mirror and drop a line in peoples' comment boxes as a heads up.

I think educating our surfers on this issue is more worthwhile then sending them to the FSC. |virgohippy|

[BV] 2006-11-10 03:02 PM

So if one wishes to implement this new tag on all their existing pages, is there an easy way to automate this process instead of manually one by one?

Maj. Stress 2006-11-10 03:19 PM

BV,
Your host should be able to do a server wide search and replace. I was thinking replace with

ecchi 2006-11-10 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgohippy (Post 311518)
but my only concern would be losing the traffic/backlinks from those who do have a problem with it.

My opinion would be don't submit to sites that have a problem with this. If a LL owner does NOT want surfers to be educated in how to stop their kids from accessing porn, then they are the kind of asshole we don't want in this business. Don't submit to them because you should not give them link backs.

However be careful of adding the link to existing sites (ones already listed). Some LL owners use a script to kill links to sites that change after they are accepted. You might find you are auto deleted without the LL owner realising why you have added the link.

virgohippy 2006-11-10 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecchi (Post 311535)
My opinion would be don't submit to sites that have a problem with this... Don't submit to them because you should not give them link backs.

Good point. For some reason I was only looking at it from one direction. |loony|

I guess maybe I should think of this as a way to trim down my bloated submit list. |bananna|

juggernaut 2006-11-11 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maj. Stress (Post 311534)
BV,
Your host should be able to do a server wide search and replace. I was thinking replace with

There are a couple of ways of doing it depending on what you are using for coding. If you are using dreamweaver, depending on how it is set up. You can do a find and replace for all the code. IE look in your metatags for Use that as your find string.
Then place it with

Dreamweaver can connect to all your sites at once if it is set up that way. I can never get that to work. I have to open every index page then do a find and replace on all open documents. After that do a save all and you are good to go. You can tell the change took by a little * next to the page tab at the top. If you don't see that * then look over the page you might not have had the proper tag to begin with. You can also do this in notepad but it's one page at a time. Not sure about other software.

On a differant note. Does this have to be on all your pages? Or can it be on the root index of your hub and you are good to go? Have roughly 20 FS in 5 domains and need to know if I need it on every index?


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